Vox Vitae: Warhammer AI quest

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Prime 2.0 said:
3. Neablis has not stated what the mechanics are behind how long it is between visitors at all. I am basing my estimates on narrative factors such as getting above being across roads and the previously observed rate of visitors which was about once every two to three turns. In universe this is not random, there is not an equal likelihood of someone passing through every year for Vita to fallaciously interpret, and absent an out of universe logic to follow, this is what I am using.
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I believe there have been very few apparent public rolls visibly associated with whether visitors appear as opposed to who and how.

We had arrivals on turns 20 (Space Marines in Denva), 21 (Eldar in Denva), 23 (Dark Eldar in Ascalon, this one had an associated 'does anyone show up' roll connected to the webway gate), and 28 (Orks in Caldereth).

If we discount the Dark Eldar as a semi-separate phenomenon, that does line up quite well with your 'around every three turns' (and around every 2 if we don't discount them). The distribution does suggest behind-the-scenes randomness to me - SM and Eldar back-to-back, then nothing through Vorthryn? It certainly could be all QM's choice but that isn't how it feels to me.

But whatever it is it's certainly hidden.

Whether or not the turns without visitors impact the conditional probability of an immediate visitor (I'd favor 'mostly not' at the moment, except for potential follow-ups from past contacts, but that's just my guess) the statistics certainly give reason to think an arrival is a significant likelihood at any time.
 
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    • Scheduled vote count started by Neablis on Mar 4, 2025 at 2:22 AM, finished with 244 posts and 46 votes.
    • [X] Plan: Nova cannons go boom. Also muzzle Bongo.
      -[X] Idea: Ships! Ships now! We are shockingly vulnerable with only a single ship in orbit. Let's fix this. Short-term build some candles and longer term do research to design and build new and better ships with better weapons soon. Make a slight detour into demonology to muzzle Bongo.
      -[X] Construction (600 VBP + 7800 Aetherion MS manus + 1,250 VBP (Voidforge Miners) = 9650 BP / 1000 BP Repair Bay / 500 Lift Capacity):
      --[X] Captive Holding cells 41/50 HP -> 50/50 HP [45 BP Repair Bay]
      --[X] Aetherion Shipyard repair (2814 BP)
      --[X] Candle x 5 [use existing hulls to discount] (5000 BP)
      ---[X] turn over all the candles to Denva Secundus, because we do not have the personnel for them
      --[X] Vita Core 135 HP -> 270 HP (675 BP)
      --[X] Psychic Research Lab 135 HP -> 270 HP (675 BP, paid 155 with BP and 780/1.5=520 from Repair Bay Budget)
      --[X] Upgrade the inner shielding of the Warp research lab 200 -> 400 (1000 BP)
      --[X] Personal force weapon for the diviner (5 BP)
      --[X] Heavy Infantry Armor with integrated void-shields and equipped with basic psychic shields for the diviner (10 BP)
      --[X] 1 BP left
      --[X] 175 BP Repair Bay left, use for incoming damage on psychic shields due to demonology research
      -[X] Research x3 (600 + 85 (Anexa) + 60 (Anexa staff) = 745 RP)
      --[X] Demonology (100 RP)
      ---[X] Anexa assist
      --[X] Gravity Weapons (200 RP)
      --[X] The Biggest Boom (150 RP)
      --[X] Large-scale Machine spirits (75 RP)
      --[X] Abacus Manufactoring (50/100 -> 100/100 RP)
      --[X] Superconductive Shenanigans (50 RP)
      --[X] Efficient Equipment Distribution (100 RP)
      --[X] Intelligence Coding (20 RP Overflow)
      -[X][Free] Turn Warp Drive, Abacus, Improved Gellar Fields, Superconductive Shenanigans Technology and star charts over to Denva to earn a boon. Warn them that the Eldar are prickly about their webway gate
      -[X][Boon] Recruit a Diviner Psyker
      -[X][Free] Turn over cultist prisoners to Denva
      -[X] Anexa active Action: Research - assists a research action you take, granting +5xLevel RP to the action. Will level on a successful roll, scaled by the importance of the tech.
      -[X] Victan passive action: Counterespionage & Alliance-building - Defends against hostile covert action and improves relations with existing allies, as well as gathering information for making new allies. Will only level if something interesting happens.
      -[X] Cia: Assist with Demonology research. E.g. to "banish" demons before we figure out how
      [X] Plan: PPE for the nova cannon boom show! Also muzzle Bongo.
      -[X] The Big Idea: What LightLan's "Plan: Nova cannons go boom. Also muzzle Bongo." said, but also: We're not using cramming this turn, we can instead take it next turn. We ARE planning on getting a very powerful psyker, and I think that requires investment. Also, we can put the cultists to sleep, We Have The Technology (it's drugs). Lastly, one less Candle so I can build more psy shields, because getting encryption is harder than we thought.
      -[X][Boon] Recruit a Psyker
      --[X] Seems best practice to actually put it to a vote - we might be able to recruit a biomancer gaggle for bio research if the diviner doesn't work out, for instance.
      -[X] Construction (600 VBP + 7800 Aetherion MS manus + 1,250 VBP (Voidforge Miners) = 9650 BP / 1000 BP Repair Bay / 500 Lift Capacity):
      --[X] Captive Holding cells 41/50 HP -> 50/50 HP [45 BP Repair Bay]
      ---[X] Also, put the cultists in a medically induced coma to prevent further chaosy sacrifice nonsense. We can make stasis pods later.
      --[X] Aetherion Shipyard repair (2814 BP)
      --[X] Candle x 5 [use existing hulls to discount] (5000 BP)
      ---[X] turn over all the candles to Denva Secundus, because we do not have the personnel for them
      --[X] 4 Personal Void Shields for the psyker(s) (20 BP)
      ---[X] Level 1 psykers shouldn't be doing things with psy weapons yet. If it's just the one Diviner like we think, the rest can go to Crew.
      --[X] 400 personal psy shields for Crew and Staff. (2 BP)
      --[X] Psy Shielding Refits: (955 Repair BP / 1.5 = 636 BP (r1), + 1814 BP = 2450, /5 = 490 HP)
      ---[X] Per Neablis, refitting for Hardware Psy Encryption requires upgrading to max shield strength. My "good enough" line is thus to encrypt Vita and the holding cells completely for opsec and sabotage prevention respectively, and then beef up Bongo's cage some more. Anexa can chill with Vita while she does her research, probably.
      ---[X] Shield Location . | Spend | New HP | Maxed?
      ---[X] Shield Budget . . | +490. | ------ | ---
      ---[X] Holding Cells . . | ( 50) | 100 HP | Yes
      ---[X] Psy Lab . . . . . | (135) | 270 HP | Yes
      ---[X] Vita Core . . . . | (135) | 270 HP | Yes
      ---[X] Bongo's Oubliette | (170) | 710 HP | no
      ----[X] If I took my entire psy shield budget and applied it to bongo alone, that wouldn't be enough to max it out and get upgraded Psy Encryption. Alas.
      -[X] Research x3 (600 + 85 (Anexa) + 60 (Cogitare) = 745 RP)
      --[X] Demonology [Anexa assist] . (100 RP) done
      --[X] Gravity Weapons . . . . . . (200 RP) done
      --[X] The Biggest Boom. . . . . . (150 RP) done
      --[X] Large-scale Machine spirits ( 75 RP) done
      --[X] Abacus Manufacturing. . . . ( 50 RP) -> 100/100
      --[X] Superconductive Shenanigans ( 50 RP) done
      --[X] Faith is my shield? . . . . ( 60 RP) -> 75/75
      --[X] Combat Neural Implants. . . ( 50 RP) done
      --[X] Intelligence Coding . . . . ( 10 RP) -> 180/400
      -[X][Free] Turn over Warp Travel Technology and star charts over to Denva to earn a boon
      --[x] Also, all technology developed this turn, except for Demonology.
      --[X] Warn Denva not to mess with the webway gate.
      -[X] Crew Actions:
      --[X] Anexa Active: Assist with Demonology research.
      --[X] Cia Active: Assist with Demonology research. E.g. to "banish" demons before we figure out how.
      --[X] Victan Passive: Counterespionage & Alliance-building.
      [X] Plan Understanding Bongo
      -[X] [Repair Bay]
      --[X] Update Bongos Oubliette to new shielding standard (1000/2700 BP)
      -[X] Construction (600 BP base + 7800 BP Orbital Manufactories + 1250 BP Voidforge Miners = 9650 BP)
      --[X] finish updating Bongos Oubliette to new shielding standard (1700/1700 BP)
      --[X] 2814 Bp to finish repairing the shipyard
      --[X] build an orbital Advanced Technological Research Lab (500 BP)
      --[X] build 12 orbital machine spirit manufactories (3600 BP)
      --[X] build 422 status pods to store the cultists and Necrons in (844 BP)
      --[X] 192 BP discretionary fund for Victan
      -[X] Research X 2 (400 RP base + 85 Anexa RP + 60 Anexa staff – 4 (20 Anexa staff doing design work) 541 RP)
      --[X] Immaterium Understanding (200 RP)
      --[X] Abacus Manufacturing (50 RP)
      --[X] Large-scale Machine spirits (75 RP)
      --[X] Faith is my shield? (60 RP)
      --[X] Demonology (100 RP + 25 RP boost)
      --[X] 25 RP (50 RP without Anexa's staff) to design Advanced Technological Research Lab (500 BP, 100 CP)
      --[X] Collaberative Computational R&D (6 RP)
      ---[X] any overflow from discounts that Immaterium Understanding might give are to go towards Collaberative Computational R&D
      -[X] Diplomacy: meet with W and the Stellar Ascendancy leadership
      --[X] give them a full briefing on your journey since leaving Denva with all the necessary videos, pictures and sensor readings (suggest that they leave the Web Way gate well alone for now)
      --[X] hand over any technology that has yet to given to them bar Demonology and Juvenat as there are too many problems associated with those just now
      --[X] arrange the handover of completed ships
      --[X] lay the groundwork for setting up Denva's R&D system (if we can get it set up in one go that's great but we'll err on the side assuming that this is a long job here)
      --[X] inquire if anyone knows what the status of Denva Primus and it's people is
      -[X] Anexa active action: Research
      --[X] Immaterium Understanding
      -[X] Victan active action: Support setting up Denva's R&D system
      -[X] Cia Passive Psyker improvement
      [X] Plan: Nova cannons, muzzle Bongo, research Faith.
      -[X] Idea: Ships! Ships now! We are shockingly vulnerable with only a single ship in orbit. Let's fix this. Short-term build some candles and longer term do research to design and build new and better ships with better weapons soon. Make a slight detour into demonology to muzzle Bongo.
      -[X] Construction (600 VBP + 7800 Aetherion MS manus + 1,250 VBP (Voidforge Miners) = 9650 BP / 1000 BP Repair Bay / 500 Lift Capacity):
      --[X] Captive Holding cells 41/50 HP -> 50/50 HP [45 BP Repair Bay]
      --[X] Aetherion Shipyard repair (2814 BP)
      --[X] Candle x 6 [use existing hulls to discount] (6000 BP)
      ---[X] turn over all the candles to Denva Secundus, because we do not have the personnel for them
      --[X] Increase Psy Lab Shielding from 135 to 200 (325 BP). Cia blew up the lab last time when it had only 135 shielding and she got stronger since then. Add some more shields.
      --[X] Increase Bongo Shielding from 540 to 640 and also actually get some of that scrying blocking shielding in his vault (500 BP)
      --[X] Personal force weapon for the diviner (5 BP)
      --[X] Personal Void Shield for the diviner (5 BP)
      --[X] 1 BP left
      --[X] 955 BP Repair Bay left, use for incoming damage on psychic shields due to demonology research
      -[X] Research x3 (600 + 85 (Anexa) + 60 (Anexa staff) = 745 RP)
      --[X] Demonology (100 RP)
      ---[X] Anexa assist
      --[X] Gravity Weapons (200 RP)
      --[X] The Biggest Boom (150 RP)
      --[X] Large-scale Machine spirits (75 RP)
      --[X] Abacus Manufactoring (50/100 -> 100/100 RP)
      --[X] Superconductive Shenanigans (50 RP)
      --[X] Faith is My Shield? (15/75 -> 75/75 RP)
      --[X] Intelligence Coding (60 RP Overflow)
      -[X][Free] Turn over Abacus Technology, Improved Gellar Fields and star charts over to Denva to earn a boon
      -[X][Boon] Recruit a Diviner Psyker
      -[X][Free] Turn over cultist prisoners to Denva
      -[X] Anexa active Action: Research - assists a research action you take, granting +5xLevel RP to the action. Will level on a successful roll, scaled by the importance of the tech.
      -[X] Victan passive action: Counterespionage & Alliance-building - Defends against hostile covert action and improves relations with existing allies, as well as gathering information for making new allies. Will only level if something interesting happens.
      -[X] Cia: Assist with Demonology research. E.g. to "banish" demons before we figure out how
      [X] Plan Research Expansion
      -[X] [Repair Bay]
      --[X] Update Bongos Oubliette to new shielding standard (1000/2700 BP)
      -[X] Construction (600 BP base + 7800 BP Orbital Manufactories + 1250 BP Voidforge Miners = 9650 BP)
      --[X] finish updating Bongos Oubliette to new shielding standard (1700/1700 BP)
      --[X] Update Vita's Core to new shielding standard (675 BP)
      --[X] 2814 Bp to finish repairing the shipyard
      --[X] build 11 orbital machine spirit manufactories (3320 BP)
      --[X] build an orbital High-Energy Physics Research Lab in a safe orbit (500 BP)
      --[X] build an orbital Advanced Technological Research Lab (500 BP)
      --[X] 141 BP discretionary fund for Victan
      -[X] Research X 3 (600 RP base + 85 Anexa RP + 60 Anexa staff – 4 (20 Anexa staff doing design work) = 741 RP)
      --[X] 25 RP (50 RP without Anexa's staff) to design Advanced Technological Research Lab (500 BP, 100 CP)
      --[X] Collaberative Computational R&D (250 RP)
      --[X] Machine Spirit Hallucinations (300 RP)
      --[X] Demonology (100 RP + 25 RP boost)
      --[X] Intelligence Coding (31 RP)
      --[X] Faith is my shield? (10 RP)
      -[X] Anexa active action: Research
      --[X] Machine Spirit Hallucinations
      -[X] Victan passive action: Counterespionage & Alliance-building
      -[X] Cia Passive Psyker improvement
      [X] Plan: Fundamental Physics V2
      -[X] Free Action: Give the Stellar Ascendancy our Improved Gellar Field, Abacus Manufacturing, and Warp Drive technology. (+1 Boon)
      -[X] Spend 1 Boon for a one-time manufacturing boost. (-1 Boon)
      -[X] [Repair Bay]
      --[X] Rebuild Vita's Core Psychic Shielding to new standard, planning for as much shielding as we can. (200/270 HP of new encrypted shields | 1,000 BP)
      -[X] Research x3 (600 + 85 (Anexa) + 56 (Anexa staff) = 741 RP)
      --[X] Collaborative Computational R&D (250 RP)
      --[X] High-energy Physics (300 RP)
      ---[X] Anexa assist
      --[X] Large-scale Machine spirits (75 RP)
      --[X] Abacus Manufacturing (50 -> 100/100 = 50 RP)
      --[X] Design A New Blueprint: Penlight-class Monitor Destroyer (25 Discounted To 13 RP) (See plan notes for design)
      ---[X] Assign 20 Cogitare to assist / discount the design process.
      --[X] Superconductive Shenanigans (50 RP)
      --[X] Intelligence Coding (170 -> 173/400 = 3 RP)
      -[X] Construction x1: 600 VBP (Spark) + 7,800 VBP (130 factories around Aetherion) + 1,250 VBP (Voidforge Miners) + 20,000 (Boon) = 29,650 VBP
      --[X] Construct stasis pods and place our 410 captured cultists in stasis, leave the stasis pods in the psy-shielded brig. (820 BP)
      --[X] Repair the Aetherion Large Shipyard (186 -> 3,000/3,000 = 2,814 VBP)
      --[X] Build a High-Energy Physics Research Lab in an isolated orbit at the edge of the system. (500 VBP, 100 CP)
      --[X] Build 12 Penlight-class Monitor Destroyers using our captured destroyer hulls. (1,500 VBP Each, Discounted to 1,050 with hulls, x12 = 12,600 VBP)
      --[X] Build 43 Machine Spirit Orbital Manufactories at Aetherion. (12,900 VBP)
      --[X] Build some heavy armor or personal void shields for our crew. (16 VBP)
      -[X] Victan passive action: Counterespionage & Alliance-building
      -[X] Cia Passive Psyker improvement
      [X] Plan: Keep Calm and Carry On
      -[X] Diplomacy: Check on the Velkar
      -[X] Diplomacy: Establish Denva's R&D sector (+1 Boon)
      -[X] 2x Research (400 + 85 + 60 = 545 RP)
      --[X] Collaborative R&D (250)
      --[X] Gravity Weapons (200)
      --[X] Faith is My Shield (60)
      --[X] Void Abacus Manufacturing (35 + Overflow)
      --[X] MSH (Secondary Overflow)
      -[X] Repair Bay: Replace Vita's core psy shields with encrypted ones (135 * 5.5 = 743 BP); start replacing Oubliette shields with encrypted ones (46 * 5.5 = 253 BP)
      -[X] Victan: help with Velkar
      -[X] Anexa: Collab R&D
      -[X] Cia: Passive Improv
      -[X] Boon: Recruit a Psyker (-1)
      [X] Plan: Compromise (no one's happy)
      -[X] Diplomacy: Check on the Velkar
      -[X] Diplomacy: Establish Denva's R&D sector (+1 Boon)
      -[X] Research (200 + 85 + 56 = 341 RP)
      --[X] Collaborative R&D (250)
      --[X] Large Scale Machine Spirits (75)
      --[X] Design: Improve the Candle by updating the psychic shields with Encryption and adding Machine Spirits; swap a Macro Cannon for Light Missiles and Point Defence (25).
      ---[X] 20 Cogitare (RP cost -12)
      --[X] Overflow: MSH
      -[X] Repair Bay: Replace Vita's core psy shields with encrypted ones (135 * 5.5 = 743 BP); start replacing Oubliette shields with encrypted ones (46 * 5.5 = 253 BP)
      -[X] Construction (7800 + 1250 + 600 = 9650)
      --[X] Finish repairing the Yard (2814 BP)
      --[X] Build up to six Machine-Spirit Candles (budget: 6836 BP, use hulls)
      --[X] Overflow: more encryption on Bongo
      -[X] Victan: help with Velkar
      -[X] Anexa: Collab R&D
      -[X] Cia: Passive Improv
      -[X] Boon: Recruit a Psyker (-1)
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    A lot of research. I should make it more expensive. Can I get 9 d100s please? One per person.
    1st: Demonology, +30 (Anexa)
    2nd: Gravity Weapons, +20
    3rd: The Biggest Boom, +20.
    4th: Large-scale Machine Spirits, +20
    5th: Abacus Manufacturing, +20
    6th: Superconductive shenanigans, +20.
    7th: Efficient Equipment Distribution, +20.
    8th: Misc roll 1
    9th: Misc roll 2.

    Then I'm going to roll a few d100s. 1st & 2nd are for aspects of Denvan development, 3d is mystery, 4th is also mystery. And no, they're not for the same thing. They might be dice rolls you've seen before, they might not.
    Neablis threw 4 100-faced dice. Reason: Various DM dice Total: 191
    48 48 10 10 72 72 61 61
     
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    Edit: Who's ya boi with the mediocre rolls?
    You know him, you love him: It'sssssss BEEPSMILE bay-be!
    BeepSmile threw 1 100-faced dice. Reason: LETS FUCKIN' GOOOOOO! Total: 49
    49 49
     
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    Here's my count, let me know if I mixed anything up:
    1st: Demonology, 43+30 = 73, good success. (Anexa)
    2nd: Gravity Weapons, 48+20, good success.
    3rd: The Biggest Boom, 94+20=114. Critical success!
    4th: Large-scale Machine Spirits, 6+20=26. Poor success.
    5th: Abacus Manufacturing, 51+20 = 71. Good success.
    6th: Superconductive shenanigans, 4+20 = 24. Poor success.
    7th: Efficient Equipment Distribution, 15+20 = 35. Almost a normal success.
    8th: Misc roll 1 = 94
    9th: Misc roll 2. = 49.

    Then my dice:
    Denva roll 1: 48
    Denva roll 2: 10
    mystery roll 1: 72
    mystery roll 2: 61
     
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    Alectai said:
    Efficient Equipment just barely got a standard pass, yeesh.
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    Unlucky, but the standard result was all we were really asking of it?

    I don't like our poor results, but I don't think I'd have chosen to bring down any of the good ones in their favor if I could. (Though I probably would move the crit to one of the other good results given the option.)
     
    Worried about poor Denva rolls followed by a couple of good mystery rolls, but hope it works out. Research rolls were a bit meh, but excited to see what crit success biggest boom brings.
     
    Aineko said:
    My impression is that mystery rolls that are explained have been high-is-good-for-us?
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    Sometimes they're rolls for how the enemy does, like Bongo's 2 during the Battle for Denva.

    Though gosh, every manufacturing technology that could go wrong did. I hope that doesn't screw up the build plan too much...
    Neablis said:
    A lot of research. I should make it more expensive. Can I get 9 d100s please? One per person.
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    It's a 3x plan, they're like that.
     
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    DecaffeinatedOwl said:
    Well, now we've figured out how to address Vita's military problems--we trade robot casualties by superior combatants for robot casualties by collateral damage.

    (Follow up tech: The Littlest Biggest Boom, where we start researching anti-matter induced fission so we can arm our bots with thermonuclear bolters.)
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    I think even Space Marines would have problems with antimatter-laced bolt rounds, lol.

    Sad I missed out on all the roles and being able to contribute to them, but they went really well. Not bad at all.
     
    Wait. Hang on. Yeah.

    We got an awesome diviner this turn.

    I'm counting this as a good turn because of that!
    Mostly good turn.
     
    avatar11792 said:
    I think even Space Marines would have problems with antimatter-laced bolt rounds, lol.
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    Listen, sometimes you just have to erase that horizon with an errant burst from the Heavy Bolter. Really cultivate those mushrooms.

    (Also, it wouldn't be just antimatter. It'd be a teeny capsule of antiprotons trapped in buckyballs in a spherical shell of uranium, and a 'dry' lithium deuteride secondary. You know, the holy trinity.)
     
    The Mechanicus: Nooooooo you can't just reinvent Nova Cannons like that!!!!! Only the most powerful Forgeworlds can handle such holy relics, much less build them!!!!! :mad:

    Vita: Ha ha, 10 years in a backwater system with a physics module goes BRRRRRRRRR :D
     
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