Vox Vitae: Warhammer AI quest

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Prime 2.0 said:
They don't need to reverse engineer it. They already have our blueprint for making more juvenat production facilities.

Like, nothing on our ship needs reverse engineering. We gave them our entire database, they know what we know about the capabilities that went into it.
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Apologies, I was under the impression that as we ourselves didn't entirely understand Juvenat yet (only having the blueprint for the manufacturing facility/gestation vats), it would be significantly more difficult for non-(Wo)man of Stone (AI construction specialists) to build more production, but in hindsight that was an unfounded assumption now that I think about how the techpriests alone would certainly have enough experience replicating black-boxed processes they don't entirely understand to maintain and expand Juvenat production even with the limited information we have available to provide them.

It will probably still take very substantial, very long-term investment in construction and research (into improved cost-efficacy) to adequately upscale Juvenat production to service the whole population, but I definitely think they can get there and will certainly not lack in motivation, technical expertise or funding to eventually achieve it.
 
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    • Scheduled vote count started by Neablis on Jan 7, 2025 at 4:27 AM, finished with 142 posts and 41 votes.
    • [x] Plan: Ware the Ancient Rush
      -[x] Charge towards Aerithon
      -[x] Call the Eldar in their language, introduce yourself as an ancient and ask them to state their purpose. You'd love to have someone reasonable to trade with. You will be disappointed if it's raiding, you tell them.
      -[x] Delay departure by 1 action and build:
      --[x] Bigger (and Sharper) Crash Research and Build
      ---[x] 50 RP Research the Candle (below)
      ---[x] Candle (1450 void BP, 1 ship construction slot) Destroyer, Hull 450 BP 1600x350 meters. 8 gravities of acceleration. Medium armor, Medium Shields. Living Space, Psychic Shields (100 BP) 2 Light Macrocannon batteries, 1 medium lance battery. High-maneuverability thrusters.
      ---[x] Build 4 Candles (1450 * 4 = 5800 BP)
      [x] Old Ship: W
      [X] Old Ship: Denva Public
      [x] Old Ship: Mechanicus
      [X] Plan: Ancient Protector w/ heavier lances
      -[x] Charge towards Aerithon
      --[X] Send the destroyers ahead at maximum speed to defend the station. Sacrifice them if it helps.
      --[X] Send the engineers guidance on re-activating the station defenses.
      --[X] Immediately open communications with the Eldar vessel using their language, introducing yourself as Vita of the Stellar Federation, and politely question their intentions in Denvan space. If they're willing to have a dialogue you are! If they're not, make sure they know that the rapidly approaching voidcraft are your way of emphasizing that you want them to stay clear of the Aerithon platforms.
      -[X] Delay Exploration action for QM-approved sub-divided action (Research/Construction)
      --[X] 50 RP Research the Candle (below)
      ---[x] Candle (1450 void BP, 1 ship construction slot) Destroyer, Hull 450 BP 1600x350 meters. 8 gravities of acceleration. Medium armor, Medium Shields. Living Space, Psychic Shields (100 BP) 2 Light Macrocannon batteries, 1 medium lance battery. High-maneuverability thrusters.
      --[X] Build 4 Candle (1450 * 4 = 5800 BP)
      [X] Old Ship: Denva Secret
      [X] Plan: Ancient Protector
      -[x] Charge towards Aerithon
      --[X] Send the destroyers ahead at maximum speed to defend the station. Sacrifice them if it helps.
      --[X] Send the engineers guidance on re-activating the station defenses.
      --[X] Immediately open communications with the Eldar vessel using their language, introducing yourself as Vita of the Stellar Federation, and politely question their intentions in Denvan space. If they're willing to have a dialogue you are! If they're not, make sure they know that the rapidly approaching voidcraft are your way of emphasizing that you want them to stay clear of the Aerithon platforms.
      -[X] Delay Exploration action for QM-approved sub-divided action (Research/Construction)
      --[X] 50 RP Research the Candle (below)
      ---[X] Candle (1450 void BP, 1 ship construction slot) Destroyer, Hull 450 BP 1600x350 meters. 8 gravities of acceleration. Medium armor, Medium Shields. Living Space, Psychic Shields (100 BP) 2 Light Macrocannon batteries, 2 light lance battery. High-maneuverability thrusters.
      --[X] Build 4 Candle (1450 * 4 = 5800 BP)
      [x] Plan: Ware the Ancient Pin
      -[x] Pin them in
      -[x] Call the Eldar in their language, introduce yourself as an ancient and ask them to state their purpose. You'd love to have someone reasonable to trade with. You will be disappointed if it's raiding, you tell them.
      -[x] Delay departure by 1 action and build:
      --[x] Bigger (and Sharper) Crash Research and Build
      ---[x] 50 RP Research the Candle (below)
      ---[x] Candle (1450 void BP, 1 ship construction slot) Destroyer, Hull 450 BP 1600x350 meters. 8 gravities of acceleration. Medium armor, Medium Shields. Living Space, Psychic Shields (100 BP) 2 Light Macrocannon batteries, 1 medium lance battery. High-maneuverability thrusters.
      ---[x] Build 4 Candles (1450 * 4 = 5800 BP)
      -[X] Old Ship: W
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    Can I get a single d100 diplomacy roll? This is +23 for Vita & Victan. Depending on the roll and my thoughts I may ask for more rolls later.
     
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    • ok so, 3 likily cases here .

    A Drukari raiders
    B Corsairs
    C Craftworld Eldar

    in case A, they are talking rather than shooting because they are smart enough to understand they can die if they pick a fight with a shockingly advanced Grand curser. Hopefully, that means they are smart enough to raid elsewhere because this world is no longer a soft target.

    in case B, things are kinda up in the air. To my understanding, they are essentially rogue traders from the other end. So they would happily kill and loot the entire system, but would be just as happy to trade if that's the better ROI. Also, like human rogue traders, very much see other species as resources or rubes to exploit as a default.

    In case C, no idea. it kind of depends on what they are here fort. Best case they want the system to be hard to take because everyone who would want to take is would shoot them on sight. Though they could also be here in regards to a prophecy, so acting in a way that we do not have the perspective to at all understand or predict.

    also, the chances of it being harlequins is low, but never quite zero.
     
    armentho said:
    diplo beast keeps woing visitors
    every time vita interacts with someone,careless whispers sounds in the background
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    Well to be fair this is 40K, diplomacy might as well be ancient witchcraft lost to the ages. :V

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    in case A, they are talking rather than shooting because they are smart enough to understand they can die if they pick a fight with a shockingly advanced Grand curser. Hopefully, that means they are smart enough to raid elsewhere because this world is no longer a soft target.
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    I know this is going to send chills down the spines of everyone in the thread, but even if they are dark eldar they might consider trade. I mean sure in the long run they would like to wipe out Denva and turn all its people into coats, but in the short terms I could see a Kabalite, especially a former Corsair going 'if we can't raid we might as well get something out of this jump, how about that trade?'

    random_npc said:
    in case B, things are kinda up in the air. To my understanding, they are essentially rogue traders from the other end. So they would happily kill and loot the entire system, but would be just as happy to trade if that's the better ROI. Also, like human rogue traders, very much see other species as resources or rubes to exploit as a default.
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    An actual Corsair would be much like the above with the added issue that they are good at trade and not rusty. For instance if they catch enough Denvan transmissions to get a rough timeline of what happened they would know any scar maps they have would be very valuable to both us and Denva

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    In case C, no idea. it kind of depends on what they are here fort. Best case they want the system to be hard to take because everyone who would want to take is would shoot them on sight. Though they could also be here in regards to a prophecy, so acting in a way that we do not have the perspective to at all understand or predict.
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    This one depends on where that Maiden world is, that is the reason the Craftworlds are interested in the sector. That might change now that they know about Vita, but given that even the Denvan archives from before we showed up said 'talk to the Eldar' I have decent hopes.
     
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    I know this is going to send chills down the spines of everyone in the thread, but even if they are dark eldar they might consider trade. I mean sure in the long run they would like to wipe out Denva and turn all its people into coats, but in the short terms I could see a Kabalite, especially a former Corsair going 'if we can't raid we might as well get something out of this jump, how about that trade?'
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    Trading with the Deldar would probably be the best case scenario when it comes to talking with them, second only to 'Running the hell away'.

    The problem is that the Deldar might ask a price we aren't willing to pay, raw materials and samples of old tech would probably be super easy for us to pay, the lives of 5% of the entire Denvan population shipped to Comorragh is a little trickier.

    Craftworlders on the other hand... again, hard to say, they could've foreseen something that wouldn't have been conducive to either their own survival, or their allied Exodites, they could have forseen the KoTCV arriving here and tried to head them off, could even be that they weren't expecting us and got a SoTA-shaped wrench thrown into their plans.

    Could even be that our psy-shields might have distorted their visions or even blocked our presence to them, but that's wishful thinking at this moment without any more info to go off of aside from "Eldar near vulnerable station."

    Edit: In fact, the more I think about it, the more likely the latter option could be the reason that any hypothetical Farseer heading this operation didn't account for us:

    • We don't have a soul that they can easily pick up on.
    • Our core is hidden beneath a psy-shield that's constantly getting upgraded because we're being smart with the brainwashing warp-juice.
    • We have a large army of equally soulless robots under our command.

    There might be a chance that they just didn't see us in their portents or - if the visions were vague enough - they might've even mistook us as some kind of awakening Tomb World and sent eyes to verify.

    If so, they'd probably breathe a sigh of relief that we're even HALF as willing to talk as we are right now / Vita hasn't had a run in with the Drukhari yet and Denva is capable of playing as a firebreak between the Imperials and Eldar.

    In fact, give me a moment and I could elaborate further on this
     
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    BigFungus26 said:
    The problem is that the Deldar might ask a price we aren't willing to pay, raw materials and samples of old tech would probably be super easy for us to pay, the lives of 5% of the entire Denvan population shipped to Comorragh is a little trickier.
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    I think the bigger problem is that news would get to Vect and he is smart enough to hear 'Human with Federation tech' and think 'kill it with fire, don't even loot, just kill'. The reason that the Dark Eldar can even survive as a polity is their technological advantage over the most numerous species in the galaxy, which is to say humans. That is their food. If their food source suddenly gets a weapon more powerful than an overpowered torchlight they Drukari are in deep trouble and Vect is in an even worse pickle. Even if you posit that not enough tech will filter out fast enough to seriously endanger them on a large scale severe distuptions to the flow of slaves could bring down Vect's whole house of cards politically.
     
    ...I wonder, if we do 'Faith Studies' and 'Machine Spirit Chaos Resistance', can we unlock a 'Machine Faith' technology? That sounds really neat. XD
     
    Ok, I lied about not needing more dice rolls, though I'm going to roll these. It's time to do some system generation for Ascalon!

    I'm not going to tell you what the dice mean, but in general higher numbers are better, though they also mean "complicated."

    Edit: Oh! I almost forgot the exploration roll! Can somebody roll me a d100? This is getting a +10 modifier for Woman of Stone, and is just how well you explore Ascalon.
    Neablis threw 6 6-faced dice. Reason: Ascalon System Generation Total: 24
    4 4 4 4 6 6 5 5 3 3 2 2
     
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    Looks like pretty good rolls for us, then. And plenty of complexity, as well.
     
    Moderately favorable aggregate, includes high point but isn't a huge outlier...

    Ascalon is going to tell us a lot about whether 1 turn per system is going to be how things go or not, I think.
     
    A Single Word, Repeated Thrice.
    The Farseer sat cross-legged, a bead of sweat trailing down their forehead as they released the breath they were holding, hovering in front of them were three runes, all of them glowing a pale blue as they orbited the Farseer.

    Scrying was as much an art as it was a science, but the Aeldari - no matter how diminished they had become since the birth of She Who Thirsts - were still masters when it came to reading the skeins of fate.

    Already, the Farseer had made an impact in this sector, the Mon-Keigh were disorganized, but still capable of mounting an effective resistance against the Yngir-Puppets and the Starving Wyrm just long enough for the Craftworld to evacuate their Exodite brethren from a doomed world.

    And for decades, this careful balancing-act (much like one the Harlequins performed when their troupe came to visit the Craftworld) was established, their enemies could not grow too strong to attain primacy in this sector, but they could not grow too weak either, temporary corrections had to be weighed out, fingers pressed upon the scales, work done to keep the equilibrium intact.

    Sometimes it involved an Outcast slinking through the shadows, Long-Rifle trained upon a Human preacher, other times it was calming the Othersea to allow easy passage, even assailing a world to reveal a promising would-be-champion to the Space Marines of this sector, who could go on to wreak a devastating blow to the forces of She Who Thirsts in a century's time.

    But something had begun to itch in the back of the Farseer's head in the recent years, something felt... off. as if the inside of their quarters had been rearranged in a maddeningly minute manner.

    Something had changed, the balancing-act was starting to wobble.

    And so, the Farseer cast the runes, scrying to see what had changed, had the Yngir-Puppets made a push in a system the Seer did not account for? Had the Starving Dragon pushed its tendrils deeper than the skeins of fate predicted? Had the Humans prepared a crusade-fleet?

    The Farseer's answer revealed itself upon the runes as they lowered to the wraithbone floor before them. A single word, repeating thrice.

    'No.'

    This was concerning, if the balancing act was disrupted by an outside-power, one that the Seer did not account for, the evacuation might not reach its completion before the stalemate is broken and their fates come to a grisly end.

    They cast the runes again, searching for the cause.

    Was it an outsider from the sector that had caused this imbalance?

    Again, a single word, repeated thrice.

    'No.'

    The Farseer made a face as if they had bit into something sour, frustration bleeding from their seated body.

    Perhaps a new angle needed to be taken.

    Again, the runes were cast, and again, a question was asked.

    Where was the source of this imbalance?

    Like a puppet with its strings cut, two of the runes fell to the floor, leaving only a single one suspended in the air.

    A single word.

    'Denva.'

    The Farseer's brows furrowed, Denva had been abandoned by the Humans centuries ago, they even helped to orchestrate the withdrawal order.

    But the rune still hovered.

    Whatever had caused this imbalance resided in the Denva system, obfuscating the Seer's precognition.

    They needed to know more.

    Two more runes were cast.

    Would this imbalance prove friend, or foe?

    Instead of a single word repeating thrice or a name, the runes changed shape, creating an answer that the Farseer looked upon with unease.

    The fates had yet to swing one way or the other, a series of events made in less than a decade would lead to either this unknown's hostility and a collapse of the carefully pruned power-balance, or a much-needed addition that could buy the time the Asuryani needed to finalize the evacuation of the Exodites.

    This... would require a delicate hand, a personal hand.

    The Farseer rose, Singing-Spear in hand as they moved with new purpose.

    In the weeks that followed, a force headed by the Farseer would sail to Denva with the intentions of ascertaining the intent of this imbalance.


    An: Wanted to try and write some justification for why and how a Farseer might not have been able to predict our resurgence, kept the name vague and the character bare just in case Neablis had plans for a Farseer character showing up next turn.
     
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