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Does Sergeant Cyras even want to follow the Emperor? It sounds like he is only doing it because he doesn't see an alternative.
Vox Vitae: Warhammer AI quest
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Does Sergeant Cyras even want to follow the Emperor? It sounds like he is only doing it because he doesn't see an alternative.
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Pretty much. They will get to the stars, I just want to help them along and they'll likely come up up things we couldn't have.
I get that, cutting the RP costs for ship design would be nice, I would rather we have some more ships just in case things get nasty. We got lucky with the Astartes this time, but maybe not next time.
Really? I saw it in the non-combat equipment, I thought we could install a Void Abacus into the ships now. @Neablis could we get clarification on this, please?
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On the matter of tech sharing, I just read through our list of completed technologies.
In general I am in favor of a complete release, with the following exceptions/thoughts:
Edit: @Speedemon22, @Neablis added the void abacus to the equipment list so we could start designing around it but we still need to learn how to build more.
I do like your idea for the Diplo action, would you be open to saving it until next turn? That way we could combine the tech explanations with the industry OMC handoff. It would like have a reduced effect, but would still be very helpful. Thoughts?
In general I am in favor of a complete release, with the following exceptions/thoughts:
- Nothing from the Mechanicus database we hacked, assume this wouldn't be included but wanted to call it out
- Hacking, no - doesn't seem good to hand this out.
- Archenemy/ Chaos, no - let's keep the cognito hazards to ourselves for now
- Scrapcode, no - same here
- Machine Spirits, probably not - this seems like a secret of the Mechnicus. I am in favor of sharing this in the long term but not sure if it would cause trouble with the cog boys.
- Psyshielding, Yes - I can't see a downside to this and there is enough general warp knowledge to see its utility even without knowing about capital C - Chaos
- Abacus/warp, yes - Likewise, it is know that FTL uses warp so I don't see how sharing this could be too harmful
Edit: @Speedemon22, @Neablis added the void abacus to the equipment list so we could start designing around it but we still need to learn how to build more.
I do like your idea for the Diplo action, would you be open to saving it until next turn? That way we could combine the tech explanations with the industry OMC handoff. It would like have a reduced effect, but would still be very helpful. Thoughts?
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meianmaru
The Devourer of Fiction
IIRC, what is in the non-combat equipment is the equipment where you place the Void Abacus. The device itself needs to be manufactured separately, and as we saw with our new flagship? Can be switched between the ships. To get the manufacturing available, we still need this:
I'm guessing that how well we roll will decide the BP cost, among other things.
Psyshielding introduces two potential issues - it's a resource sink way above their industrial capacity to make, and a reversed psyshield is presumably going to attract daemons like an electromagnet. Were I a cultist of the Ruinous Powers in our midst, I'd love to get my hands on a psyshield and start shooting out flares for the biggest baddest neverborn I can call to inhabit my mortal flesh.
Abacus produces similar but lesser issues, but it's also entirely useless without a warp drive.
Abacus produces similar but lesser issues, but it's also entirely useless without a warp drive.
Angels' Judgement - [Canon]
Angels' Judgement
Sergeant Cyras dropped into the chair with so much force that even its frame specifically reinforced to bear the weight of a Space Marine groaned. Passing a hand through his hair in exasperation he looked towards the the man across from him. Like him Brother Tychus bore the countenance of akin to their gene-father, but by some quirk of the implantation his hair had been bleached silver giving his face an almost luminous quality that sat oddly with the winsome smile he so often wore, the mark of a jesting disposition that had seen him reprimanded more or less gently by superiors since they had taken their trials together. Probably the reason why Cyras was sergeant rather than the other way around, he had thought more than once
"The guns performed as she said they would and the magus has found no fault with the machine spirits..." he began, though as was often the case when they were alone his brother interrupted.
"You did ask for a miracle, I distinctly recall you asking for one, several times in fact."
"Say you that this is a miracle Brother?" In his heart of hearts Cyras hoped for nothing more than for it to be so, but half a century wandering the Void had taught him painful lessons of caution. "If so it is a strange one."
"The Emperor is not obliged to move his hand as we would expect," Tychus said, growing serious. "Nor does he only give us the burdens we expect, but those we must bear."
"What of her then? What do you make of this explorer? She is either the boldest mortal I have ever met or..." Truth be told he could not think of what to say after that.
"Why would she not be, we are not the Angels of the Emperor to her. She does not know the Emperor, instead she is like some tribal chief come to meet the Thunderhawk as it lands, only she was on the bridge of a Grand Cruiser and we upon a Frigate. Little wonder she did not tremble in her boots. Truth be told I'd rather she be bold than timid given the galaxy she found compared to the one she must have left behind."
"One full of heathens?" Cyras asked needled, but then he stopped and shook his head. "No, that is beneath me. I see what you mean, a galaxy at peace, one in which humanity was ascending in the midst of the Stellar Exodus... but also one in which man did not know the Emperor not because they had become lost by chance but because He had not seen fit to reveal himself at all. The thought is... unnerving. I find it hard to imagine what must be going on behind those green eyes of hers."
"One should be careful assigning motives to Him on Tera who is above us all, but in this case let us consider, why? Why did he show himself when he did and not before?"
"Because it was humanity's darkest hour," Cyras recited instantly, knowing there had to be more to what his Brother had to say.
"Which would imply that the hours before that were less dark, that He perhaps saw fit to allow Mankind to find its own way like a proud father might for a child who had newly learned to walk."
The sergeant nodded, but he also added diligently: "They failed, they Fell, the Age of Strife came upon the galaxy..."
"It was inflicted upon the galaxy, upon mankind by the wickedness of the Aeldari," again an interruption, this time thoughtful. "And in that time of tribulation some of the ancients fell and were destroyed while others rose to the challenge and here we are. We are of the same stock as them Cyras across the gulf of years. They as we have their vices and their virtues, even if they might not be quite the same as ours. Perhaps we need more of that unbridled optimism now of all times, just as we might need whatever technology she brings and she needs faith in the God Above All."
"Tychyus if I recommend an alliance to the Chapter Master on the strength of the woman's optimism he will have me do nothing but train Serfs for a year," he laughed, but they both knew there was a seed of truth to it.
"How about this then?" he flicked on a data-slate that held the image of a deadly serious Vita seen though some kind of tech priest auspex saying: 'If you make one more servitor I will shoot you.'
"No servitors? What did she..." Confusion had grown to be a familiar feeling when it came to what they had found in Denva, but this was an entirely new piece of the puzzle.
"Automata apparently, she has STCs for high quality robotics and finds it offensive that any man should be reduced to such a pitiful state as a servitor."
"Through the craft of Mars may even those lowly and debased find use in his Holy Edifice rather than be send to their deaths unforgiven," Cyras recounted from the Canticle of Salvation.
"And also we need them to run the factories." Something ugly passed over the face of his brother like a shadow over the sun. "Would you say Zentara is more pious and righteous in the Light of Faith than it was when we were granted it six centuries past?"
"Yes, of course," Cyras frowned, not sure where this was going and even less sure if he wanted to get there.
"And yet the industry upon her surface requires more servitors now, not less. Did the nature of sin change brother?"
"No..." he trailed off into uneasy silence. "What does Mars say about this conundrum?"
"The mechanicum teaches that all those who are made servitors are so by the will of the Omnimessiah as he perfects mankind to an ever higher standard."
"That seems..." he didn't quite want to say it. It was not as though all later doctrine was held in as much reverence as the Lectitio Divinitatus, the revealed word of the Emperor by the Knights of the Crimson Vigil, but still, something this wide ranging?
Tychus had no such qualm. "Very fucking convenient," he took a deep breath. "As though the Emperor is some petty tyrant in the Administratum ever-tightening the screws rather than handing down clear and immutable law. If this were not so what would that mean? That the Adeptus Mechanicum should produce more servitors from cloned tissue, but doesn't. Do you think that failing, that vice beyond them?"
"So you're saying we need someone to give us an alternative for servitors so He sent the explorer to us?" It was a strange thought, but not an unwelcome one.
"I would not presume to know His mind brother," Tychus replied with a shrug that attempted to hide the depth of his feelings poorly. "But I confess I would find a galaxy with fewer humans condemned to that fate a better one."
OOC: Welp that was a fun little exploration of character. Hope you guys like it.
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notthepenguins
Neither Spherical Nor Frictionless
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Needle successfully threaded, for now. And a map! This went better than I'd expected.
Angle
Release Candidate Enby
- Location
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- They/Them/Theirs/Comrade
My current thoughts:
-[] Diplomacy, 1 Action, Denva Research Institute
-[] Research, 2 actions
-[] Immaterium Investigations (145 RP + 55 Anexa RP)
--[] Anexa assists
-[] Manufacturing Machine Spirits (100 RP)
-[] Ok, maybe there's a point to medical school (30 RP)
-[] An Introduction to Human Genetics (55 RP)
-[] 70 RP on something else? Could pick up Mothballing or GMEI for cheap, and have some RP left over to start another research? Or could get most of the way through a 100 point research, or almost halfway through a 150 point research.
For the last action, either a construction action, or another research action, and pick up scrapcode resistant shields and further scrapcode research, for those who want that done immediately,? Need to spend the extra 70 RP on them, plus probably 30 off of human genetics, but that seems acceptable. We could also ditch the research institute for this, if we also want the construction action.
OMC would be something we work towards next turn, once we have MMS and med school, along with large scale machine spirits.
-[] Diplomacy, 1 Action, Denva Research Institute
-[] Research, 2 actions
-[] Immaterium Investigations (145 RP + 55 Anexa RP)
--[] Anexa assists
-[] Manufacturing Machine Spirits (100 RP)
-[] Ok, maybe there's a point to medical school (30 RP)
-[] An Introduction to Human Genetics (55 RP)
-[] 70 RP on something else? Could pick up Mothballing or GMEI for cheap, and have some RP left over to start another research? Or could get most of the way through a 100 point research, or almost halfway through a 150 point research.
For the last action, either a construction action, or another research action, and pick up scrapcode resistant shields and further scrapcode research, for those who want that done immediately,? Need to spend the extra 70 RP on them, plus probably 30 off of human genetics, but that seems acceptable. We could also ditch the research institute for this, if we also want the construction action.
OMC would be something we work towards next turn, once we have MMS and med school, along with large scale machine spirits.
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I'd like us to finish these, rather than put the turn's extra RP into half-finishing another project. Especially the medical school one if we're developing brain implants.
> Aerithon installations
Keep them, build up manufacturing there, and hand over our terrestrial and our orbital stuff. It means we'd be able to maintain a presence and a manufacturing core here, while not disrupting Denva's capacity to expand. Give them all of our tech, no reason not to when this area isn't exactly peaceful.
Either way, keep the Imperial Faith away from Denva.
Keep them, build up manufacturing there, and hand over our terrestrial and our orbital stuff. It means we'd be able to maintain a presence and a manufacturing core here, while not disrupting Denva's capacity to expand. Give them all of our tech, no reason not to when this area isn't exactly peaceful.
Either way, keep the Imperial Faith away from Denva.
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I agree with everything but the end there, we need the Faith around in some form. It acts as another chaos counter which is important.
10ebbor10
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The Imperial faith comes with a tonne of caveats, all of whom are worse than what little anti-chaos benefit might be present.
hey i know this is somewhat of a side tangent, but I have a few things that would be good to focus on.
- get started on both fledgeling shackled AI research, to delegate and free up our actions and possibly automate the harvesting and trade between our in system allies
- one more high ranking psyker for big scale ship combat and/or a few weaker psykers for Cia to grow with and mentor (help her grow as a troop commander and give her people who she can clearly over power but who will help her better work in a group).
- One more "bean" that has traits or can be groomed to be our grand strategist, but starts as our planner and logistical. I'm partial to W but see if victan is ok with that and/or if she has someone she recommends. see if she would help run the trade system
- Start working on a plan for a fledgling fleet or auxiliary ships that will accompany the Spark of Ancients focused on material harvesting and mobile manufacturing so we aren't stuck having to start from scratch every time we discover a new place to harvest from.
- Establish a Trading Company/Entity within the system and formally move our holdings and territories under its hold/ownership to give us more legitimacy in system and in the future so we aren't subsumed into Denva or the imperium. It may be Extraneous but as we grow and trade, we want something that is OURS and having an organization behind us gives our claims and existence and an independent legitimacy on some level.
it's a lot but my ideas, any thoughts fellows?
- get started on both fledgeling shackled AI research, to delegate and free up our actions and possibly automate the harvesting and trade between our in system allies
- one more high ranking psyker for big scale ship combat and/or a few weaker psykers for Cia to grow with and mentor (help her grow as a troop commander and give her people who she can clearly over power but who will help her better work in a group).
- One more "bean" that has traits or can be groomed to be our grand strategist, but starts as our planner and logistical. I'm partial to W but see if victan is ok with that and/or if she has someone she recommends. see if she would help run the trade system
- Start working on a plan for a fledgling fleet or auxiliary ships that will accompany the Spark of Ancients focused on material harvesting and mobile manufacturing so we aren't stuck having to start from scratch every time we discover a new place to harvest from.
- Establish a Trading Company/Entity within the system and formally move our holdings and territories under its hold/ownership to give us more legitimacy in system and in the future so we aren't subsumed into Denva or the imperium. It may be Extraneous but as we grow and trade, we want something that is OURS and having an organization behind us gives our claims and existence and an independent legitimacy on some level.
it's a lot but my ideas, any thoughts fellows?
Angle
Release Candidate Enby
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- Colorado, USA
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I'd focus on preparing Denva to be able to critically examine the imperial faith, before we expose them to it? Which probably just means giving them good communications tech and letting them talk to each other a good bit?
10ebbor10
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Critically examining the Imperial Faith, is a thing known as Heresy.
Better to be an Apostate with plausible deniability than to do that.
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I'm not sure when I'll be around my PC for the day, so here is my current plan:
[] Plan: Getting ready to go (and dealing with Bongo)
-[] Research x3 (600 RP + 55 RP)
--[] Immaterium Investigations (200 RP)
---[] Anexa +55 RP, +10 speciality (Warp)
--[] Organic-Machine control (150 RP)
--[] Further Scrapcode Research (150 RP)
--[] Mag-lev (25 RP)
--[] Finish Medical School (30 RP)
--[] 100 RP budget ("Organic-Machine control" related potential Poor Success cleanup tech -> Manufacturing OMC tech)
-Construction (7850 BP)
--[] Repair Aerithon factories (1,500 BP, 250 CP)
--[] 8x Deep Space Manufactories (6,000 BP, 400 CP)
--[] 1x Caltrop at Aerithon (300 BP, 10 CP)
--[] 50 Trade Goods
-[] Anexa active Action: Research – Immaterium Investigations
-[] Victan passive action: Counterespionage & Alliance-building
-[] Active Psyker improvement: Cia
-[] Denva: Some (Everything except Warp, Void Abacus, Chaos, Scrapcode, Hacking, and Psyshields)
-[] Aerithon installations: Keep them
This gets us ready to leave next turn. We finish this round of Scrapcode and OMC. With a little luck / discount from medschool we will finish Manufacturing OMC as well. We also prepare Aerithon to act as our long term base (expecting to mothball next turn). The construction action only eats up 650 of our ~1,700 free CP and leaves us with 9,650 BP to use next turn. Which is plenty to build out Aerithon, mothball everything and scatter caltrops where we want them.
I would envision next turn after this as:
Construction
Diplo - Factory handover and tech assist
Research - Mothball + finish Manufacturing OMC
Explore - Leave
Thoughts?
[] Plan: Getting ready to go (and dealing with Bongo)
-[] Research x3 (600 RP + 55 RP)
--[] Immaterium Investigations (200 RP)
---[] Anexa +55 RP, +10 speciality (Warp)
--[] Organic-Machine control (150 RP)
--[] Further Scrapcode Research (150 RP)
--[] Mag-lev (25 RP)
--[] Finish Medical School (30 RP)
--[] 100 RP budget ("Organic-Machine control" related potential Poor Success cleanup tech -> Manufacturing OMC tech)
-Construction (7850 BP)
--[] Repair Aerithon factories (1,500 BP, 250 CP)
--[] 8x Deep Space Manufactories (6,000 BP, 400 CP)
--[] 1x Caltrop at Aerithon (300 BP, 10 CP)
--[] 50 Trade Goods
-[] Anexa active Action: Research – Immaterium Investigations
-[] Victan passive action: Counterespionage & Alliance-building
-[] Active Psyker improvement: Cia
-[] Denva: Some (Everything except Warp, Void Abacus, Chaos, Scrapcode, Hacking, and Psyshields)
-[] Aerithon installations: Keep them
This gets us ready to leave next turn. We finish this round of Scrapcode and OMC. With a little luck / discount from medschool we will finish Manufacturing OMC as well. We also prepare Aerithon to act as our long term base (expecting to mothball next turn). The construction action only eats up 650 of our ~1,700 free CP and leaves us with 9,650 BP to use next turn. Which is plenty to build out Aerithon, mothball everything and scatter caltrops where we want them.
I would envision next turn after this as:
Construction
Diplo - Factory handover and tech assist
Research - Mothball + finish Manufacturing OMC
Explore - Leave
Thoughts?
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That really depends on the sect of the faith, because there is no one Imperial faith. It's a thousand different faiths in a trench coat.
Better to be a Heathen, an apostate is like a super-Heretic since it means you abandoned the Faith.
Fuck no, the faith caused so much damage to the Imperium both technologically and socially in the long run it isn't even funny, even if it staved off chaos to a degree, the 'vaccine' was far worse than the illness and eventually turns the golden idiot into an evil Law God. Besides, at the point, it runs the risk of Denva falling and merging with some subsegment of the Imperium because of a shared culture and veneration for said singular overriding authority, fuck that shit, we secular now. We want the Stellar Federation we loved back, not this technoheretical idol-venerating decaying carcass of a hypercorrupt empire ruled by and celebrates hubris, ignorance, and massive amounts of unnecessary brutality as a primacy, where the average person lives in unimaginable squalor and yet technological development is outright heresy. Without reverse engineering, without research, without a culture of progress how the fuck could they ever win with an ever-decaying technological base and ever-growing foes?
What the Imperium did doesn't work, as a whole, or they wouldn't be in such an unbelievably shit position with an equally broken Imperium and the Emperor wouldn't be a vampire eating gajillion innocent souls daily to survive because he let his envy and hubris overrule his senses to try to build his shitty pirated webway, nor would his children have been so rebellious if he showed any care for his so-called children. Nor is it the only way of doing things, we've have the bones of something great, and psychic shielding is a huge step toward turning this shitty setting into Stargate, Star Trek, or Freespace 2, at worst.
The Imperium and everything about them sucks.
#makethestellarfederationgreatagain
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10ebbor10
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Bleh, words.
But yeah, you're right.
True, it is a highly syncretic religion, but one which has a few core tenents.
And well, Denva stands in direct opposition to quite a few of these.
1) It is not loyal to the Imperium, as it should be.
2) It does not fear and murder the alien, the heretic and the psyker enough
3) It does not remind everyone to stay put in their proper place.
The Imperial cult is a religion centered on hatred and unquestioning obedience, because it is a religion crafted to sustain a state centered on hatred and unquestioning obedience.
In either case, people seem to be forgetting an important thing.
The Imperium is not nice.
The Imperial Faith is a religion crafted to justify the slaughter of billions as an incidental mechanism of the way the Imperium operates, and the slaughter of everyone not part of their chosen group as a matter of genocidal policy.
Edit : I'm not sure why this actually a matter of discussion? No one suggested that we retain the doctrines of the mechanicus, despite the fact that the Mechanicus is clearly better at keeping out chaos and scrapcode than we are. We rightly considered those doctrines and beliefs a mechanism of technological control and degradation.
So, why the sudden turnaround in keeping a very similar mechanism, this one for social rather than technological control, around?
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Angle
Release Candidate Enby
- Location
- Colorado, USA
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- They/Them/Theirs/Comrade
[] Plan In-Depth Defense Against Vhaos and Preparing for Industrial Handover
-[] Research x3 (600 RP + 55 RP)
--[] Immaterium Investigations (200 RP)
---[] Anexa +55 RP, +10 speciality (Warp)
--[] Manufacturing Machine Spirits (100 RP)
--[] Ok, maybe there's a point to medical school (30 RP)
--[] An Introduction to Human Genetics (55 RP)
--[] Mag-lev (25 RP)
--[] Efficient Psy Shields (150 RP)
--[] Organic-Machine control (95 RP)
-Construction (7850 BP)
--[] Repair Aerithon factories (1,500 BP, 250 CP)
--[] Refit manufactories with machine sprits, or build new ones with machine spirits to start with (3000 BP)
--[] 4x Deep Space Manufactories (3,000 BP, 200 CP)
--[] 1x Caltrop at Aerithon (300 BP, 10 CP)
--[] 50 Trade Goods
-[] Anexa active Action: Research – Immaterium Investigations
-[] Victan passive action: Counterespionage & Alliance-building
-[] Active Psyker improvement: Cia
-[] Denva: Some (Everything except Warp, Void Abacus, Chaos, Scrapcode, Hacking, and Psyshields)
-[] Aerithon installations: Keep them
Research the immaterium, first and foremost. Then get MMS, so we can cut down on CP, and make our industrial base much more resistant to chaos for relatively cheap. Finish existing research on med school and genetics, and pick up maglev trains for Denva, then get efficient psy shields for more resistance to chaos. Finally, get started on OMC, which is not an immediate priority, but still worth getting.
-[] Research x3 (600 RP + 55 RP)
--[] Immaterium Investigations (200 RP)
---[] Anexa +55 RP, +10 speciality (Warp)
--[] Manufacturing Machine Spirits (100 RP)
--[] Ok, maybe there's a point to medical school (30 RP)
--[] An Introduction to Human Genetics (55 RP)
--[] Mag-lev (25 RP)
--[] Efficient Psy Shields (150 RP)
--[] Organic-Machine control (95 RP)
-Construction (7850 BP)
--[] Repair Aerithon factories (1,500 BP, 250 CP)
--[] Refit manufactories with machine sprits, or build new ones with machine spirits to start with (3000 BP)
--[] 4x Deep Space Manufactories (3,000 BP, 200 CP)
--[] 1x Caltrop at Aerithon (300 BP, 10 CP)
--[] 50 Trade Goods
-[] Anexa active Action: Research – Immaterium Investigations
-[] Victan passive action: Counterespionage & Alliance-building
-[] Active Psyker improvement: Cia
-[] Denva: Some (Everything except Warp, Void Abacus, Chaos, Scrapcode, Hacking, and Psyshields)
-[] Aerithon installations: Keep them
Research the immaterium, first and foremost. Then get MMS, so we can cut down on CP, and make our industrial base much more resistant to chaos for relatively cheap. Finish existing research on med school and genetics, and pick up maglev trains for Denva, then get efficient psy shields for more resistance to chaos. Finally, get started on OMC, which is not an immediate priority, but still worth getting.
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This, very much this. Imperials, even pious ones can be sympathetic, but the Imperial Faith is evil. It enshrines ignorance with the excuse that it spares one from knowing too much about Chaos, but it far over oversteps that remit. The Imperial Faith is what drives children to hand their parents in to the authorities for complaining he gruel was too thin, it is what drives mobs following half mad preachers to murder Voidorn simply because their body proportions are different, it is what allows the Imperial noble to not only excuse but encourage the ignorance of the populace in the name of protecting them even as they vie for extremes of excess and corruption that bring forth the very Chaos it is said to ward off. The Lectitio Divinitatus, the holy book of the Imperial Faith, was written by Lorgar Aurelion Prophet of Chaos-to-be before he knew he was a tool of the Dark Gods, but long after Kor Pheron had started working his will on him.
In conclusion the Imperium of Man and the Faith that serves it are not bastions against Chaos they are Chaos' win condition, the ideal playground from which to draw servants because only a system this horrid could ever make the Dark Gods look the least appealing to the desperate.
It's because we met a bunch of pious imperials who aren't personally shitty, unlike the likes of Orin. That doesn't make what they believe in any less monstrous, it just makes their fates all the more tragic.
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Even more this, it prevents actually working toward solving the problem. If you can't know of a problem, can't research it, how the fuck can you truly learn to counter it? Everything humanity has built, developed, and understood was out of laziness, curiousity, or having a problem they needed to solve. It'd be like banning the use of fire because it's dangerous to you and the world around you, and guess how far we'd get without that?
Functionally, the Stellar Federation, if not for cheaping out on psychic shielding on the Men of Iron/Stone, was far better poised against Chaos than the Imperium could ever be.
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To be fair research isn't a whole-of-society effort. Chaos can and should be hidden from most people because of how it works even as a small cadre of well funded experts work on the problem, which is kind of how the Imperium does it, the problem is half of those people spend more time working against each other than Chaos