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Vox Vitae: Warhammer AI quest
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None of that explains the merit of leaving 18 factories on the table, though?
[X] Plan: The Eye of Vita V4
I'm really not enthused about the Faith research and I like the some of the research choices of Plan: Hell Comes, And The Fleet To Meet Her more, but this one utilizes our manufacturing capabilities better and is explicit about what to give Denva this turn.
Edit: Also fine with this one
[X] Plan: G-1st Counter-Insurgency featuring shields for literally everybody
I'm really not enthused about the Faith research and I like the some of the research choices of Plan: Hell Comes, And The Fleet To Meet Her more, but this one utilizes our manufacturing capabilities better and is explicit about what to give Denva this turn.
Edit: Also fine with this one
[X] Plan: G-1st Counter-Insurgency featuring shields for literally everybody
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Building our fleet, for one. The rest of the factories can be obtained next turn, fear ye not. And they'll actually be boosted for it, since we'll have superconducting.
You leave the shipyard, you have a bottleneck next turn.
There is no force in the Warp or Reality that is going to get me to put a nickle and dime laundry list of superfluous write-ins in this plan or any other. There is no killer DM here waiting to backstab us on a technicality.
This answer might change as you start to make armor out of auramite or psy-crystal amulets or whatever, but for now we'll say that it's below abstraction.
She'll have the best armor you have unlocked, which is currently psy-shielded, and buffed with an amulet-style void shield. Get integrated armor if you want to combine those or incorporate further improvements into her armor.
The factories won't be better for being built later.
The shipyard won't be better for being built sooner, unless you're exclusively doing it because you assume people will refuse to pay for it when they need it.
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[X] Plan: Spring Cleaning with Construction!
Of Haganeko's plans, I opt for this one for the reasons I stated much earlier: We are only able to create research infrastructure in the places and with the people we trust, and until Denva is clear, I believe this limitation would exacerbate the Two Denva's split. It's not unlikely that it'll be clear enough this turn, but it's not a risk we have to take either when the With Construction version of plan uses the RP on EaR instead, which puts us closer to warp comms.
Even if the worst comes to pass in terms of wayfarer or some other fire we have to put out, we can still share new OMC and cybernetics tech over said warp comms, so while getting more RP flowing sooner is nice, it's not essential nor likely to pay itself back while we're here even if we got it going full blast this turn.
I'm not voting for any of Angle's plans this time. While I sympathize with his desire for Warp Comms Now, I still disagree with the build order choice of taking Alternate Shield Meanings before EaR, and in general these plans don't really do much to fulfill the 4 counter-insurgency development goals I laid out.
It could turn out fine regardless if we roll well, but y'all know how I feel about depending on the favor of the dice gods.
[X] Plan: The Eye of Vita V4
Kyle's plan fulfills the basic idea of "get empathy at range, use satellites everywhere", and uses the RP left over for various odds and ends we were waiting for the right time to get to such as the warp abacus, while finally putting the Faith iron in the fire.
Notably, it reframes the cultist cleanse as a diplomacy action. Victan was a spy before he was a diplomat, I believe his bonus will apply whether we're doing counter-insurgency personally or helping Denva set up theirs, but it has a neat flavor to it.
MSH's plan doesn't meet the 4 goals test for me. Pass.
[X] Plan eyes in the skies
F0lklore is going ham on his plan - EaR and SSDIPS, with spy sats! They seem to be planning around the assumption that SSDIPS rolls below a great success, as the RP allocated to the satellite design is using current rates and mentions the increased BP cost, so I have to assume SSDIPS is being taken with the assumption that it rolls under Great Success and won't apply to the sat.
Neither of the bot redesigns appear to try and reach for an SSDIPS-shielded version, which is a bit of a disappointment, but not a dealbreaker since Neablis said Denva would likely make sensors-in-a-box that could be carried by patrols, placed in cities, etc in place of bespoke shielded designs.
@F0lkL0re , you may want to consider finangling your production numbers some so we hit round numbers on those bots - CP requirements round up to the nearest batch size, so you might be able to trade out some of that bot production for tanks, which surprisingly Neablis also said would be useful.
Of Haganeko's plans, I opt for this one for the reasons I stated much earlier: We are only able to create research infrastructure in the places and with the people we trust, and until Denva is clear, I believe this limitation would exacerbate the Two Denva's split. It's not unlikely that it'll be clear enough this turn, but it's not a risk we have to take either when the With Construction version of plan uses the RP on EaR instead, which puts us closer to warp comms.
Even if the worst comes to pass in terms of wayfarer or some other fire we have to put out, we can still share new OMC and cybernetics tech over said warp comms, so while getting more RP flowing sooner is nice, it's not essential nor likely to pay itself back while we're here even if we got it going full blast this turn.
I'm not voting for any of Angle's plans this time. While I sympathize with his desire for Warp Comms Now, I still disagree with the build order choice of taking Alternate Shield Meanings before EaR, and in general these plans don't really do much to fulfill the 4 counter-insurgency development goals I laid out.
It could turn out fine regardless if we roll well, but y'all know how I feel about depending on the favor of the dice gods.
[X] Plan: The Eye of Vita V4
Kyle's plan fulfills the basic idea of "get empathy at range, use satellites everywhere", and uses the RP left over for various odds and ends we were waiting for the right time to get to such as the warp abacus, while finally putting the Faith iron in the fire.
Notably, it reframes the cultist cleanse as a diplomacy action. Victan was a spy before he was a diplomat, I believe his bonus will apply whether we're doing counter-insurgency personally or helping Denva set up theirs, but it has a neat flavor to it.
MSH's plan doesn't meet the 4 goals test for me. Pass.
[X] Plan eyes in the skies
F0lklore is going ham on his plan - EaR and SSDIPS, with spy sats! They seem to be planning around the assumption that SSDIPS rolls below a great success, as the RP allocated to the satellite design is using current rates and mentions the increased BP cost, so I have to assume SSDIPS is being taken with the assumption that it rolls under Great Success and won't apply to the sat.
Neither of the bot redesigns appear to try and reach for an SSDIPS-shielded version, which is a bit of a disappointment, but not a dealbreaker since Neablis said Denva would likely make sensors-in-a-box that could be carried by patrols, placed in cities, etc in place of bespoke shielded designs.
@F0lkL0re , you may want to consider finangling your production numbers some so we hit round numbers on those bots - CP requirements round up to the nearest batch size, so you might be able to trade out some of that bot production for tanks, which surprisingly Neablis also said would be useful.
And then there's the NightLord/LightLan/Meianmaru conga line plan.
It makes me wince, because it's so close to being exactly what I wanted out of a ground-focused strategy, but falls short of committing the RP needed to guarantee the ground army will receive the SSDIPS BP savings, and overflows to intelligence coding instead of boosting Denva's implementation of SSDIPS.
And then instead of embracing the ground unit sensor spam, it clamps unit production to a meager 10 thousand! The horror! Don't they know that Denva can use OMC on the ones we can't hold with Vita's stubby little AI arms?
The only reasonable answer is, of course, for me to make The Bride of The Son of I Am Frankensteining Our Plans Once Again.
My original idea was to research drones, but it's getting long into the night and I'm not sure I've got the gas left in the tank to refactor the force composition to include them - or switch the design entirely to them, especially not when we arguably need a new bot for less-than-lethal combat and I do not know if drones can shoot gas at people.
Such is life.
[x] Plan: G-1st Counter-Insurgency featuring shields for literally everybody
-[x] The Big Idea: Shielding. Shielding everywhere. I'm making Xon's dream come true, and because every shield is a warp sensor not only will people in their fancy new shielded apartments be safe from chaotic attack, cultists won't go anywhere near them for fear of being immediately discovered before they can do anything. And then a couple dozen thousand shielded robots find them anyways.
-[x] Research x2 (400 + 85 (Anexa) + 56 (Anexa staff, 20 Cogitare assigned to design) = 541 RP)
--[x] The Taste of Chaos (100 RP)
---[x] Anexa assist
--[x] Small-scale design-integrated psychic shielding (aka "SSDIPS") (150 RP)
--[x] Hardware Psychic Encryption (50 RP)
--[x] Machine Spirit Chaos resistance (Boost: 75 RP base * 1.25 = 93.75 -> 94 RP)
--[x] Machine Spirit-controlled Psychic Shields (50 RP)
--[x] Blueprint: Seeker Light Infantry Bot [>=10 RP, 80 BP, 20 CP] (RP price halved due to 20 assigned Cogitare)
---[x] 10 RP - Light infantry bots (25 BP, 200 CP)
---[x] Humanization - (+15 base BP cost for combat bots)
---[x] Machine-spirits - (+0.5x base BP cost, -0.9x base CP cost)
---[x] Design-Integrated Psychic Shielding - (+?x RP, +0 BP cost for bots)
---[x] Less-than Lethal armament - (+0.5x base BP cost for vehicles and small craft & bots.)
--[x] Assist Denva with SSDIPS-based designs such as shielded housing and personal shielding (Overflow)
--[x] Intelligence Coding (Overflow 2)
-[x][Repair Bay]: spent in Construction
-[x] Construction (600 VBP + 5340 Aetherion MS manus + 1,100 VBP (Voidforge Miners) = 7040 / 1000 Repair Bay / 500 Lift Capacity):
--[x] Repair the Spark's structure damage (110 VBP) (15/125 -> 125/125 BP of structure damage repaired)
--[x] Psychic Shielding: Outer Hull 221/240 -> 240/240 HP (95 VBP)
--[x] The Spark: Basic Psychic Experimentation Lab 666/1215 -> 1215 (549 VBP, 50 CP)
--[x] Fix up 41 Orbital Manufactories to MS-manufactories (4100 BP, 615 CP)
--[x] 4854/7040 BP
--[x] Build 25,000 Seeker bots. (2,000 BP, 500 CP)
--[x] Aetherion Shipyard repair (All remaining BP) (186 BP)
-[x] Orders: Help Denva cleanse the planet of hidden chaos cults
--[X] Idea: Could use psy-shield equipped forces for search and patrol, while stationing reserve forces of unshielded bots/tanks on shuttles that can rapidly insert from orbit onto the scene of a detected cult or cultist attack to reinforce local responders.
--[X] Idea: Shielded housing isn't just for safety - build outwards from major population centers they could rapidly make these areas impossible to operate for cults because omni-present warp sensors risk catching them immediately even if they don't do anything. The targeted use and expansion of "safe zones" and shield-equipped patrols can be used to direct and limit undiscovered cultist cells' movement to make finding them easier.
--[X] Idea: Investigation and counter-terrorism is more Denva's show than yours, and they could definitely use the experience. Consider lending your Seeker bots on request.
-[x] Anexa active Action: The Taste of Chaos
-[x] Victan passive action: Assist with chaos cult clean up
-[x] Cia: Deployment on chaos cult clean up
-[x] Tech Transfer:
--[X] Everything we researched and designed this turn.
There's a lot more refinement I could, and should do here. But I'm pretty much about to drop so I think I'll leave it at this and just make edits later.
'Night.
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[X] Plan: The Eye of Vita V4
Seems about right and I like that it does Faith since it's annoying to see those 15 RP already invested hanging out in there, being inefficient.
Seems about right and I like that it does Faith since it's annoying to see those 15 RP already invested hanging out in there, being inefficient.
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I motion we call the Denvan Counter Intelligence Agency "The Alphabetical Order", or aO for short.
Because you can always count on W to sort things out.
Seriously though I think it kinda works
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[X] Plan: Spring Cleaning with Construction!
Of Haganeko's plans, I opt for this one for the reasons I stated much earlier: We are only able to create research infrastructure in the places and with the people we trust, and until Denva is clear, I believe this limitation would exacerbate the Two Denva's split. It's not unlikely that it'll be clear enough this turn, but it's not a risk we have to take either when the With Construction version of plan uses the RP on EaR instead, which puts us closer to warp comms.
Even if the worst comes to pass in terms of wayfarer or some other fire we have to put out, we can still share new OMC and cybernetics tech over said warp comms, so while getting more RP flowing sooner is nice, it's not essential nor likely to pay itself back while we're here even if we got it going full blast this turn.
I'm not voting for any of Angle's plans this time. While I sympathize with his desire for Warp Comms Now, I still disagree with the build order choice of taking Alternate Shield Meanings before EaR, and in general these plans don't really do much to fulfill the 4 counter-insurgency development goals I laid out.
It could turn out fine regardless if we roll well, but y'all know how I feel about depending on the favor of the dice gods.
[X] Plan: The Eye of Vita V4
Kyle's plan fulfills the basic idea of "get empathy at range, use satellites everywhere", and uses the RP left over for various odds and ends we were waiting for the right time to get to such as the warp abacus, while finally putting the Faith iron in the fire.
Notably, it reframes the cultist cleanse as a diplomacy action. Victan was a spy before he was a diplomat, I believe his bonus will apply whether we're doing counter-insurgency personally or helping Denva set up theirs, but it has a neat flavor to it.
MSH's plan doesn't meet the 4 goals test for me. Pass.
[X] Plan eyes in the skies
F0lklore is going ham on his plan - EaR and SSDIPS, with spy sats! They seem to be planning around the assumption that SSDIPS rolls below a great success, as the RP allocated to the satellite design is using current rates and mentions the increased BP cost, so I have to assume SSDIPS is being taken with the assumption that it rolls under Great Success and won't apply to the sat.
Neither of the bot redesigns appear to try and reach for an SSDIPS-shielded version, which is a bit of a disappointment, but not a dealbreaker since Neablis said Denva would likely make sensors-in-a-box that could be carried by patrols, placed in cities, etc in place of bespoke shielded designs.
@F0lkL0re , you may want to consider finangling your production numbers some so we hit round numbers on those bots - CP requirements round up to the nearest batch size, so you might be able to trade out some of that bot production for tanks, which surprisingly Neablis also said would be useful.
And then there's the NightLord/LightLan/Meianmaru conga line plan.
It makes me wince, because it's so close to being exactly what I wanted out of a ground-focused strategy, but falls short of committing the RP needed to guarantee the ground army will receive the SSDIPS BP savings, and overflows to intelligence coding instead of boosting Denva's implementation of SSDIPS.
And then instead of embracing the ground unit sensor spam, it clamps unit production to a meager 10 thousand! The horror! Don't they know that Denva can use OMC on the ones we can't hold with Vita's stubby little AI arms?
The only reasonable answer is, of course, for me to make The Bride of The Son of I Am Frankensteining Our Plans Once Again.
My original idea was to research drones, but it's getting long into the night and I'm not sure I've got the gas left in the tank to refactor the force composition to include them - or switch the design entirely to them, especially not when we arguably need a new bot for less-than-lethal combat and I do not know if drones can shoot gas at people.
Such is life.
[x] Plan: G-1st Counter-Insurgency featuring shields for literally everybody
-[x] The Big Idea: Shielding. Shielding everywhere. I'm making Xon's dream come true, and because every shield is a warp sensor not only will people in their fancy new shielded apartments be safe from chaotic attack, cultists won't go anywhere near them for fear of being immediately discovered before they can do anything. And then a couple dozen thousand shielded robots find them anyways.
-[x][Repair Bay]: spent in Construction
-[x] Construction (600 VBP + 5340 Aetherion MS manus + 1,100 VBP (Voidforge Miners) = 7040 / 1000 Repair Bay / 500 Lift Capacity):
--[x] Repair the Spark's structure damage (110 VBP) (15/125 -> 125/125 BP of structure damage repaired)
--[x] Psychic Shielding: Outer Hull 221/240 -> 240/240 HP (95 VBP)
--[x] The Spark: Basic Psychic Experimentation Lab 1000/1215 -> 1215 (215 VBP, 50 CP)
--[x] Fix up 41 Orbital Manufactories to MS-manufactories (4100 BP)
--[x] 4520/7040 BP
--[x] Build 2000 BP worth of Blueprint Seeker bots. (Estimated 25k bots, give whatever we can't personally operate to Denva)
--[x] Aetherion Shipyard repair (All remaining BP)
-[x] Research x2 (400 + 85 (Anexa) + 56 (Anexa staff, 20 Cogitare assigned to design) = 545 RP)
--[x] The Taste of Chaos (100 RP)
---[x] Anexa assist
--[x] Small-scale design-integrated psychic shielding (aka "SSDIPS") (150 RP)
--[x] Hardware Psychic Encryption (50 RP)
--[x] Machine Spirit Chaos resistance (Boost: 75 base * 1.25 = 93.75 -> 94 RP)
--[x] Machine Spirit-controlled Psychic Shields (50 RP)
--[x] Blueprint: Seeker Light Infantry Bot [>=10 RP, 80 BP, 20 CP] (originally at least 20 RP, reduced due to 20 assigned Cogitare, research to completion regardless of cost)
---[x] 10 RP - Light infantry bots (25 BP, 200 CP)
---[x] Humanization - (+15 base BP cost for combat bots)
---[x] Machine-spirits - (+0.5x base BP cost, -0.9x base CP cost)
---[x] Psychic Shielding - (+9x base BP cost for bots, +1x base RP to design blueprint)
---[x] Less-than Lethal armament - (+0.5x base BP cost for vehicles and small craft & bots.)
--[x] Assist Denva with SSDIPS-based designs such as shielded housing and personal shielding (Overflow)
-[x] Orders: Help Denva cleanse the planet of hidden chaos cults
--[X] Idea: Could use psy-shield equipped forces for search and patrol, while stationing reserve forces of unshielded bots/tanks on shuttles that can rapidly insert from orbit onto the scene of a detected cult or cultist attack to reinforce local responders.
--[X] Idea: Shielded housing isn't just for safety - build outwards from major population centers they could rapidly make these areas impossible to operate for cults because omni-present warp sensors risk catching them immediately even if they don't do anything. The targeted use and expansion of "safe zones" and shield-equipped patrols can be used to direct and limit undiscovered cultist cells' movement to make finding them easier.
-[x] Anexa active Action: The Taste of Chaos
-[x] Victan passive action: Assist with chaos cult clean up
-[x] Cia: Deployment on chaos cult clean up
-[x] Tech Transfer:
--[X] Everything we researched and designed this turn.
There's a lot more refinement I could, and should do here. But I'm pretty much about to drop so I think I'll leave it at this and just make edits later.
'Night.
That was very helpful for me trying understand some of what the big plans are doing. I still don't think I understand, but you seem on top of it, so:
[X] Prime 2.0
[X] Plan: The Eye of Vita V4
[X] Plan: Collab R&D W/ Bongo & Warp comms Prep
[X] Plan: Hell Comes, And The Fleet To Meet Her
[x] Plan: G-1st Counter-Insurgency featuring shields for literally everybody
[X] Plan: Collab R&D W/ Bongo & Warp comms Prep
[X] Plan: Hell Comes, And The Fleet To Meet Her
[x] Plan: G-1st Counter-Insurgency featuring shields for literally everybody
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@meianmaru @Nightlord256 @Aineko
Might want to give prime's variation on the plan an approval vote.
[] Plan: G-1st Counter-Insurgency featuring shields for literally everybody
Might want to give prime's variation on the plan an approval vote.
[] Plan: G-1st Counter-Insurgency featuring shields for literally everybody
As the other plan that bothers to repair 41 factories...yeah, okay.
[x] Plan: Find and get rid of the chaos cults v2
[x] Plan: G-1st Counter-Insurgency featuring shields for literally everybody
meianmaru
The Devourer of Fiction
Good point. It has Hardware Encryption too unlike the currently leading plan, which I believe to be one of the most important techs to get out of the way ASAP.
[x] Plan: Find and get rid of the chaos cults v2
[x] Plan: G-1st Counter-Insurgency featuring shields for literally everybody
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[X] Plan: The Eye of Vita V4
[] Plan: G-1st Counter-Insurgency featuring shields for literally everybody
Like the shielding everything idea, but as it doesn't continue Intelligence Coding it wont get my vote.
[] Plan: G-1st Counter-Insurgency featuring shields for literally everybody
Like the shielding everything idea, but as it doesn't continue Intelligence Coding it wont get my vote.
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[X] Plan: The Eye of Vita V4
[X] Plan: Collab R&D W/ Bongo & Warp comms Prep
[x] Plan: Find and get rid of the chaos cults v2
[X] Plan: Collab R&D W/ Bongo & Warp comms Prep
[x] Plan: Find and get rid of the chaos cults v2
Voidborn - [Canon]
New
Voidborn
The universe was not a rational place, that had been a hard pill to swallow for Jovis Screwter. Always more talented with numbers than with people he had been born into a world filled with the promise of a bright future among the stars scoring high on several STEM aptitude tests and he had grown up in a nation under siege once the invaders had shown up. All in all he had been lucky, to have been born in Aevon, under the protection of its anti-orbital umbrella, to have not been caught up in the first desperate wave of mobilizations, to have found someone to share his life with in Ylina. Theirs was not an extraordinary story in those days as the stars of Denva's fortune, waxed, waned and waxed again with the return of the Spark of the Ancients the defeat of the invaders. The scars ran deep and the invaders' poisoned 'gifts' still lingered for who knows how long. Jovis and Ylina didn't know much about warp-craft, it wasn't in either of their fields, but the government did share the basics of the infection vectors with the populace, infectious ideas that propagated themselves destructively though everything from individual minds to populations. It was a terrifying prospect and for the individual there was precious little they could do to keep themselves safe.
Report suspicious behavior, isolate, quarantine... it all came down to the same thing, distance, but man was not meant to live in isolation and constant suspicion would itself be damaging. It was Ylina who recognized that they were starting to get a bit too focused on keeping people at arm's length to the point where it affected both personal and work relations and it was Jovis who realized that there was a far better and more natural filter right above their heads, one that they were quite well equipped to take advantage of, space.
The mechanics of living in the out-system, of life aboard one the Crucible ships, would mean that everything from people to materials had to go through an airlock. Eventually they might even be able to get enough money to harden ship systems against hacking attacks and other subtle vectors. That such jobs were in demand and high paying encouraged the couple to look into getting the necessary certifications and collective loans. By year one of the Reclamation, as the period had started to be called to contrast it with the Rebuilding and the Resistance that had come before, the pair were in space and expecting a new member of the family, by year six they and and the rest of the Star Singer's crew had joined the VoidForge Miners under what were, frankly eye-poppingly good terms. The fact that they were under the direct protection of the single armed ship in the Denva system certainly helped Screwters sleep well at night.
Then little Torvis Screwter started to sleep less well, bright vivid dreams that would see him roll out of bed in the middle of the night brief but ever deeper moments of distraction in the middle of class play or even conversation. But things trully came to a head one fateful day when the boy, now just a few months shy of his tenth birthday was overcome with a nameless dread, a taste line pennies in his mouth, or blood that one time he had bitten his lip. The light reflected off the pleasing pastel seating felt thin and fragile like it was all about to fliker off and the only thing he could see clearely was the console his father worked on. Slowly he stepped up to it, booted it up as his focus narrowed to a cluster of icons and then to one in particular. He couldn't understand what it was for but...
Right click 'Quarantine'.
He told his parents about that night at dinner. It was only days later after one of Explorer Vita's engineering crew looked over the files that it was memetically infectious and it was only though his actions that no one had been exposed to, it was only though his foresight. The boy was sent to the Monastery in Aevon and it was confirmed:
Torvis Screwter was a psyker.
OOC: This has a far happier end to the tale than one would have in the Imperium of Man, but then Denva is a far better society than the Imperium.
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