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Victoria Falls: A Post-Collapse American Nation Quest [Down With Victoria!]

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I do think the technological recovery department needs at least one free die. But god, there is SO MUCH to do.
 
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Rolls 4/27/21 - 3
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    • Oh, right. It's time for another round of Victorian Civil War Rolls. Up first: the Loyalists, who, due to the events of Operation Foil, suffer a -1 penalty to their war roll. I will require a d3 from y'all for the Crusaders' side of things.

    EDIT: My god.
    PoptartProdigy threw 1 3-faced dice. Reason: Loyalist Civil War Performance Total: 1
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    • Rolls 4/27/21 - 4
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    • Wow. Okay, so while the Crusaders did not roll a three, Blackwell rolled a zero. Thus, with the +2 margin of victory retained, the Crusaders actually still do technically retain a chance in hell of winning the civil war. Eventually. If they keep rolling like this for the next several turns.

    My god.

    Okay, continuing to write.
     
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    • LonelyWolf999 said:
    Is this even good for us at this point?
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    Yes, more or less. The Crusaders' overall chances of victory, being a pair of divisions up against an entire country, is about the same as the Axis's chance of total victory in WW2.

    The Crusaders need to roll 3v1 (or an equivalent difference, which 2v0 grants) every time in order to claim victory. And even in that case, the victory is pyrrhic in the extreme. So, ultimately, the Crusader win this round means more damage inflicted on Victoria before their Civil War ends, and probably it going on for longer.
     
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    LonelyWolf999 said:
    Is this even good for us at this point?
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    It's good in the sense that the faction that wants to reform Victoria's military to something resembling functionality against a peer power is losing. The bad part is that if the Crusaders actually win, conditions in Victoria will become even more hellish than previously, due to the country having the fraction of the leadership that had any sense of pragmatism or reality purged from their ranks.

    EDIT: And as others have stated, the civil war dragging on for longer is good for us no matter who wins in the end.
     
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    Honestly I would rather have the villain of Blackwell and his evil ways over some rando Crusader Mook. Fucking dice, for once work against us!
     
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    Chimeraguard said:
    Yes, more or less. The Crusaders' overall chances of victory, being a pair of divisions up against an entire country, is about the same as the Axis's chance of total victory in WW2.

    The Crusaders need to roll 3v1 (or an equivalent difference, which 2v0 grants) every time in order to claim victory. And even in that case, the victory is pyrrhic in the extreme. So, ultimately, the Crusader win this round means more damage inflicted on Victoria before their Civil War ends, and probably it going on for longer.
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    to add to this, even if by some mad string of 3v1 rolls they win, they would immediately double down and turn to 11 on everything that makes victora mad and incompetent. Round two would be like round 1 with an order of magnitude more crazy and about the same level of competence. Which is an easier war to win, epically since them being genocidal lunatics would make it easier for use to get foreign support.
     
    The longer the civil war goes, the more of their men will be drafted and KIA. Honestly if it goes on long enough we could be looking at the complete collapse of Victoria without having to lift a finger.
     
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    to add to this, even if by some mad string of 3v1 rolls they win, they would immediately double down and turn to 11 on everything that makes victora mad and incompetent. Round two would be like round 1 with an order of magnitude more crazy and about the same level of competence. Which is an easier war to win, epically since them being genocidal lunatics would make it easier for use to get foreign support.
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    The problem is that this leaves a broken, unhinged nation purged of any sense and warped by all they've done.

    De-Nazification (well, its equivilent in the case of Victoria) was always going to be hell, but if the Crusaders win there might not be a people left alive to De-Victorify.
     
    Thors_Alumni said:
    The longer the civil war goes, the more of their men will be drafted and KIA. Honestly if it goes on long enough we could be looking at the complete collapse of Victoria without having to lift a finger.
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    If it wasn't for Russia wanting to keep Victoria propped up, then I'd agree with you. As is, Victoria is going to have a lot of trouble extending their influence out into the old USA.
     
    LonelyWolf999 said:
    Is this even good for us at this point?
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    It's good in that a continuing Civil War further ruins Victoria which is already suffering from famine and a "lost generation".

    On the other hand, if Blackwell doesn't have at least nominal control of his territory, most of our Peace Treaty is worthless. Which includes access to the Saint Lawrence Seaway and Victorian markets.

    We also don't want the Crusaders escaping Victoria in the end. That would be disastrous for any countryside they move through.

    Basically, we want to thread the needle where the Crusaders put up a fight for a while, but are ultimately surrounded and destroyed.
    We would also prefer Victoria's economy survives enough that it is still a viable market to sell to.

    That said, if the entire place collapses into a giant graveyard, no one will complain.
     
    PoptartProdigy said:
    Wow. Okay, so while the Crusaders did not roll a three, Blackwell rolled a zero. Thus, with the +2 margin of victory retained, the Crusaders actually still do technically retain a chance in hell of winning the civil war. Eventually. If they keep rolling like this for the next several turns.

    My god.

    Okay, continuing to write.
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    Well now this is interesting. Of course in the long term I want Blackwell to win this Civil war but the longer it drags on for us the better since it'll give us more time to rebuild and rearm for round two and will take longer for Victoria to rebuild and do the same.
     
    God, while I hate Blackwell (thank you @AKuz for making a wonderful villain) I can't help but feel real bad for the average Victorian citizen the longer this goes on.

    They're throwing bodies into the grinder that is a cold war equipped mechanized force and that's very oof.
     
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    Ultimately a place like Victoria is filled with victims, not least the next generation that will grow up in the bile and filth of a broken, racist ideology.

    There's no good end to the Civil War. If the Crusaders win, then Victoria is absolutely doomed, like 100% without a doubt, but one doesn't have to hold power for long to warp the minds, hearts, and futures of a generation.

    Warp them even further than before, that is.
     
    Sir_Travelsalot said:
    Are we selling to Victoria, though? My impression was that the St. Lawrence Seaway was important because it opened international markets via the Atlantic.
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    Part of our treaty with them means Victoria is basically a captive market for us. We can buy low internationally, and sell at prices to Victoria that they can't put tariffs on.
    PoptartProdigy said:
    -[ ] Free Trade Clause: Victoria prides itself on a starkly interventionist trade policy, with tariffs freely deployed as a tool of commerce with everybody but their Russian masters and those Russia presently favors. Forcing a free trade agreement would take a hammer to that, causing intense havoc all on its own, even before you factor in the potential for the Commonwealth to establish some measure of influence in the Victorian economy. Establish free trade between the Commonwealth and Victoria. +20 DC.
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