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So regarding the Southern Strategy, keep in mind it's proponents have seen American territory seized by foreign powers and neighboring successor states turned into puppet governments.
 
So regarding the Southern Strategy, keep in mind it's proponents have seen American territory seized by foreign powers and neighboring successor states turned into puppet governments.
So have it's opponents? I'm going to take the word of QM, which literally stated "The Southern Strategy is not an effective means of curtailing foreign influence" over the intuitive reaction of southern minor states.
You may want to combat Brazil et. al.'s influence in the Caribbean and the Gulf. The body you form may want to as well. That will be something to be handled as a matter of active policy, down the line. The Southern Strategy is about appeasing some factions' anxiety about influence in the region. In terms of its effect on the actual problem, it impedes one specific kind of influence very minimally. It is not about providing a strong defense against foreign influence; it is about appeasing anxieties -- both warranted and unwarranted -- about same, by giving involved polities a finger on the pulse.
 
Kind of annoyed at all the people emphasizing the first part of the explanation about Southern Strategy, and ignoring:
A.) Helping decrease anxiety is not an inherently bad thing. Especially since this is anxiety on par with "there is a bear walking back and forth outside my house and while it hasn't tried to get in yet I am not in a steel vault".
B.) The QM mentions that one of the things that this item does is " giving involved polities a finger on the pulse". That seems genuinely valuable, to me.

So, if you still decide to vote against the item, that's your right, but please don't try to make this a one-dimensional issue and act like it's a completely irrational choice. Especially since "rational" isn't really "without emotion"; emotions are an integral piece of the general human experience and are one of many forms of information processed by our minds.
 
[X] Plan To Form A More Perfect Union v1.67 Dream Drop Disco
[X] Plan Don't Step On The Smoking Snake

Yeah okay I'm on board with either of these, could take or leave Southern but really don't want Financier.
 
A.) Helping decrease anxiety is not an inherently bad thing. Especially since this is anxiety on par with "there is a bear walking back and forth outside my house and while it hasn't tried to get in yet I am not in a steel vault".
B.) The QM mentions that one of the things that this item does is " giving involved polities a finger on the pulse". That seems genuinely valuable, to me.

So, if you still decide to vote against the item, that's your right, but please don't try to make this a one-dimensional issue and act like it's a completely irrational choice. Especially since "rational" isn't really "without emotion"; emotions are an integral piece of the general human experience and are one of many forms of information processed by our minds.
Just to be clear here, I think taking southern strategy is a pretty bad one, based on overestimating Brazilian hostility and underestimating the potential risks of confrontation for no substantial benefit. My issue isn't with gestures to appease the southern states, my issue is very much with the risk of confrontation it brings. The major point of disagreement isn't "it has no actual positive effects", the disagreement is "slightly soothing southern states (the positive effects) isn't worth the risk of a hostile local power". As the relationship math on my plan demonstrate, you can very easily make a plan that gets them on board without including the "Southern Strategy". It is simply not needed.
Keep in mind here, all of the concession have negative effects. Multilingualism increased administrative costs, cloture slows controversial decisions down, Military exchange strains our ability to train officers. The southern strategy has no cost in terms of relationships and improves relationships with the most hostile factions, the Mexican Revivalists. The drawback is proportional to the benefit and it's in terms of diplomacy, where Malusses have really bad effects. While other concessions require financial investment which becomes less of a problem with New York, we can't have our friends pay us out of diplomatic drawbacks. Precisely because we can already get the needed support via the Mexican Autonomy is it a bad trade off.
I'm not saying anybody who includes it in their planning is irrational, I'm saying their are overlooking the drawback that comes with this concession.
 
Can we add more Write ins?

WRITE IN IDEA []The American Work Progress and Reconstruction Administration: The American Continent is a Mess, with a lack of clean running water, Sewage treatment, and roads. The Set up of a reconstruction Planning comittee for the long term renewal of North American Infrastructure. At least put the plan for a comitee to be made in the future.
 
Can we add more Write ins?

WRITE IN IDEA []The American Work Progress and Reconstruction Administration: The American Continent is a Mess, with a lack of clean running water, Sewage treatment, and roads. The Set up of a reconstruction Planning comittee for the long term renewal of North American Infrastructure. At least put the plan for a comitee to be made in the future.
That doesn't really feel like a concession. Seems more like something that'd be an item of active policy once this federal body-to-be exists on more than just paper.
 
I will say again now that vote is open (I have not been following the discussion) I want plans with as FEW AS POSSIBLE CONCESSIONS. If we make too many compromises, the thing will be weighed down.
How many factions or groups of factions are you prepared to leave out of the prospective North American Council in the name of making no concessions? Is it a problem in your eyes if the NCR doesn't want to join and fucks off to do its own thing?

Cloture is not filibuster it will always end it just gives the minority a bit more a voice without the eternal BS of filibustering
That doesn't answer the question. If we don't need Cloture, why include it? Even if all it does is allow an obstinate minority to, say, delay a vote for three days until repeated votes to end the debate gather a sufficient majority... That's still a kind of obstructionism that the system doesn't urgently need without a good reason.

If we're not doing it to win the support of factions that would otherwise not join, why include it?

Cloture is not the same as a filibuster. It can't be used to stonewall indefinitely, and will help in ensuring that smaller portions of this federal body aren't going to just get ignored.
If a minority big enough to be able to exploit the cloture rules is getting completely ignored in a representative body, there's usually a reason, and it will usually be possible for that minority to parlay its size into a majority on related issues or otherwise broker a compromise.

The debate rules will still allow cloture to steamroll 10% or 20% minorities that no larger faction wants to listen to, and a 40% minority that can actually use the 'temporary filibuster' until a cloture hits? Yeah, that's a faction that will be able to make itself heard by other means outside of a totally polarized two-party system.

Furthermore, intentionally designing gridlock or delay into a legislative system is almost never a good idea. The entire idea that elected government should be naturally limited or designed so as to work slowly or easily be tangled up into working at cross purposes and unable to act decisively on the basis of a majority vote? It's pro-oligarch propaganda, or more precisely propaganda on behalf of those who fear the ability of the state to police them and not much else because in the absence of an effective government, they would be in charge.

Think of it this way.

You have a 100 seat assembly.
51 of the representatives want to pass a new legal provision. 49 reps are opposed
Under simple majority rules, the 51 can do it at will. Fuck what you think.

Cloture means that, unless there is supermajority support, the group of 49 legislators(or 30. Or 20. Or 1) can call for a pause before the vote is taken. Maybe for 1 day. Maybe for 2.
Maybe even a week or a month, depending on the system. Time for discussion, politics, lobbying.

Then the vote can be repeated, but now instead of requiring 60 votes, maybe it requires 55.
If cloture is invoked again, and there arent 55 votes for it, then a second pause, more time for discussion and lobbying and politicking. And meantime the requirement drops to 51.

TLDR
Its not a stonewall. What it does is allow the minority to compel the majority to allow them make their objections to their colleagues and the public without being able to permanently block the process of government. It also serves as a safety measure against rushing through legislation before its been reviewed properly.
It also serves as a safety measure against the legislature doing anything urgent in response to a stubborn minority and contributes to a perception that the legislature is deadlocked and ineffectual, pushing power towards an executive branch that can get shit done in a timely manner.

And it mitigates shenanigans like a narrow majority forcing through controversial legislation without discussion.
See Texas.
Shenanigans like that only work in heavily polarized bipartisan environments where you're confident enough in your own supremacy to run the place as a one-party state on behalf of your narrow majority.

In a more normal environment, it results in a sudden flurry of bargaining, shuffling, and realignment, and the next thing you know your majority falls apart.

I think that "there should be mechanisms to impede the legislature from performing normal functions quickly" is a self-harming brainbug democracies swallow. The priority should be on making sure that the actual representation is chosen fairly and democratically, not on building in an obstacle course for the representatives to jump through if they want to get anything done.

Can we add more Write ins?

WRITE IN IDEA []The American Work Progress and Reconstruction Administration: The American Continent is a Mess, with a lack of clean running water, Sewage treatment, and roads. The Set up of a reconstruction Planning comittee for the long term renewal of North American Infrastructure. At least put the plan for a comitee to be made in the future.
Unlike the post office idea, I'm pretty sure that this can't be instituted on the desired level. The reason Lifeline is a big concession to the NCR is that rebuilding even one of America's dozens of major transportation corridors is a gigantic megaproject by the standards of the continent's current level of poverty and disunity. It's going to be very expensive and difficult to implement, even with the cooperation of just about all the political factions along the route.

Similar problems apply to everything else.

The post office, at least, is something we can plausibly do something about despite the nation's current level of poverty- especially since a post office can charge fees and at least partially pay for itself.

Meaningful infrastructure reconstruction is going to take a LOT more money, so we can't actually promise to do it soon, and promising to do it "whenever" means it's not a useful concession because it's of no immediate benefit- there's no incentive to join the North American Council now because of it.

The odds are good that it'll get done anyway later, but later is not now.
 
kind of off topic, but I was wondering if anyone had any reference to what our soldiers wear, I know that Burns' Division has probably kept up the old republic uniform and armor, but has the average CFC kit degraded in any meaningful sense?
 
kind of off topic, but I was wondering if anyone had any reference to what our soldiers wear, I know that Burns' Division has probably kept up the old republic uniform and armor, but has the average CFC kit degraded in any meaningful sense?
Presumably they'd be in camo of one sort or another. Ideally, there would have been enough surviving stores of Multicam that the ability to make it wouldn't have been lost, but I would expect Flecktarn at the bare minimum to have survived in active use.

Of course, we will truly be in the bleakest timeline of them all if all the CFC infantry have had for camouflage this entire time was UCP. *shudder*
 
How many factions or groups of factions are you prepared to leave out of the prospective North American Council in the name of making no concessions? Is it a problem in your eyes if the NCR doesn't want to join and fucks off to do its own thing?
Not really, no. Not if it leads to the body that does actually form being more cohesive and functional.

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[X] Plan Don't Step On The Smoking Snake
 
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Appropo of nothing else, going to get to work on the DC thing. Sorry it's taken so long-- writer's block, and the draft I did have got deleted by the site.
 
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    [X]Plan Reconstruction
    -[X][GOAL] Direct Integration: +0 with all minor American factions and FCNY; -1 with NCR, Northern Mexicans, and Canadians; -2 with Mexican Revivalists.
    -[X][STRUCTURE] Web of Association: +1 with Canadian factions, western and southern American factions, and northern Mexicans; +0 with NCR, FCNY, and Mexican Revivalists.
    -[X] Concession:
    --[X] Cloture: +1 with Canadian factions and the Mexican Revivalists.
    --[X] Multilingualism: +1 with all Mexicans and French-Canadians.
    --[X] Southern Strategy: +1 with southern American factions, the Mexican Revivalists, and the Northern Mexicans.
    --[X] Financier: +5 with FCNY.
    --[X] Lifeline of the West: +3 with NCR.
    --[X] Truth and Reconciliation Commission: +1 with all Canadian, minor American, and northern Mexican factions. -1 with NCR.
    --[X] Military Exchange: +2 with all minor American factions, all Canadian factions, and the northern Mexicans.
    --[X] United Post Office: +1 with all factions.
    --[X] Mexican Autonomy: +3 with Mexican Revivalists and guarantees that they at least attend, but locks them out from joining the body proper right now and enforces a hands-off policy for their territory.
    [X] Plan To Form A More Perfect Union v1.67 Dream Drop Disco
    -[X] Steps On the Road: The body will accept a slower track to membership featuring escalating levels of involvement, with things like mutual defense agreements coming earlier and common diplomatic policies coming later. The resulting state will take much more time to be viable. +1 with all American factions, Anglo-Canadians, and Northern Mexicans; +0 with French-Canadians and Mexican Revivalists.
    -[X][BODY STRUCTURE] Web of Association: While the decisions will be made by the above central council, non-state actors can seek association status and gain guaranteed audiences with said council and permanent representatives to deliver petitions for them. Adds a layer of complication, but this status is still up to the Council, so no states are going to be angry about it. +1 with Canadian factions, western and southern American factions, and northern Mexicans; +0 with NCR, FCNY, and Mexican Revivalists.
    -[X][CONCESSION] Cloture: Nobody wants to enact the liberum veto, but you have several attending factions who are concerned with being swallowed up in the tide of voices. Filibustering and the legislative measures that enabled it are a dirty memory for Americans, but there are ways to guarantee that minority voices are heard and respected that avoid some of the pitfalls. Institutes a supermajority requirement to close debate and move to a vote, with that requirement declining with each attempt at doing so in a session until a simple majority is required. +1 with Canadian factions and the Mexican Revivalists.
    -[X][CONCESSION] United Post Office: While the body itself will need to thresh out the details, you could establish as a part of its charter that it will create a postal service operating in all member states (associated groups as practical). This is a significant project to commit the body to undertaking, and with your own commitments, you can't be sure that you'll be able to help in a significant capacity if it needs support, but it is valuable and broadly popular, and could realistically be done in the early stages of things. +1 with all factions.
    -[X][CONCESSION] Multilingualism: The body would doubtlessly vote to set its own language of business, and by simple majority, that language would doubtlessly be English, but you have an opportunity to reach out and accommodate the more...skittish...of your participants, here -- at the cost of a tripled administrative workload and the dire need for a large mass of translators. +1 with all Mexicans and French-Canadians.
    -[X][CONCESSION] Mexican Autonomy: Agree to recognize the Mexican Revivalists' formal organization's current or future membership as beyond the body's scope, and grant them a non-voting representative with the right to address the voting council at any time, along with the right to petition for entrance to the body at a later date by simple majority. +3 with Mexican Revivalists and guarantees that they at least attend, but locks them out from joining the body proper right now and enforces a hands-off policy for their territory.
    -[X][CONCESSION] Southern Strategy: The Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico are becoming areas of increasing international interest in recent years, and the various people down there have virtually zero interest in any of that. Making a policy of not accepting the membership of any states found by the people in those regions to be inappropriately under foreign influence would be quite the draw to southern factions, but it would set a confrontational tone with Brazil and their bloc, given their newly-announced interest in the mouth of the Mississippi. +1 with southern American factions, the Mexican Revivalists, and the Northern Mexicans.
    -[X][CONCESSION] Lifeline of the West: The NCR, despite presently being in the flush of victory, is also feeling uncomfortably exposed, at the moment. It wants the body to commit to a project of reopening an infrastructure link across the Rockies, so that aid can reach them overland. Fortunately, Burns has just cleared out the largest concentration of bandits along the I-70, so this simplifies the question tremendously. Still, this is a big project. Without the FCNY's assistance, finding the funding for this is probably going to be the body's first big hurdle to clear. +3 with NCR.
    -[X][CONCESSION] Truth and Reconciliation Commission: An idea lifted from pre-Collapse Canada intended to examine the impacts of their residential schools for First Nations children, you plan to adopt it on a far grander scale. Make, as part of this body's charter, a commission with the aim of documenting the history and lasting impacts of the Collapse in humanitarian terms, and then making recommendations to the body as to how it should inform their formal decisions -- such as whom to favor in terms of who is the legitimate controller of a given patch of land. Broadly popular, but the NCR is going to see this as a slight against them. +1 with all Canadian, minor American, and northern Mexican factions. -1 with NCR.
    -[X][CONCESSION] Military Exchange: Various minor factions are interested in building up their militaries, now that Victoria (and California) are no longer factors opposing that. The CFC, having just crushed Victoria in two consecutive force-on-force contests, has significant cachet in military matters. Announce that members of this body will have the opportunity to send officer candidates to CFC military schools. This will give them the insights they desire and expand your own influence, although every spot in your academies is precious, at the moment, and if you're handing them out to others, you'll need to push harder for access to foreign academies than you were already going to have to. +2 with all minor American factions, all Canadian factions, and the northern Mexicans.
    [X] Plan Don't Step On The Smoking Snake
    -[X] Steps On the Road
    -[X] Web of Association
    -[X] Cloture
    -[X] Multilingualism
    -[X] Truth and Reconciliation Commission
    -[X] Lifeline of the West
    -[X] Military Exchange
    -[X] United Post Office
    -[X] Mexican Autonomy
    [X] Plan: Party Up & Down the Coast to Coast v.1.2
    -[X][GOAL] Direct Integration: The body will attempt to, over time, directly integrate members into a single, federal state. The resulting state will be functional faster and more capably. +0 with all minor American factions and FCNY; -1 with NCR, Northern Mexicans, and Canadians; -2 with Mexican Revivalists.
    -[X][BODY STRUCTURE] Web of Association: While the decisions will be made by the above central council, non-state actors can seek association status and gain guaranteed audiences with said council and permanent representatives to deliver petitions for them. Adds a layer of complication, but this status is still up to the Council, so no states are going to be angry about it. +1 with Canadian factions, western and southern American factions, and northern Mexicans; +0 with NCR, FCNY, and Mexican Revivalists.
    -[X][CONCESSION] Cloture: Nobody wants to enact the liberum veto, but you have several attending factions who are concerned with being swallowed up in the tide of voices. Filibustering and the legislative measures that enabled it are a dirty memory for Americans, but there are ways to guarantee that minority voices are heard and respected that avoid some of the pitfalls. Institutes a supermajority requirement to close debate and move to a vote, with that requirement declining with each attempt at doing so in a session until a simple majority is required. +1 with Canadian factions and the Mexican Revivalists.
    -[X][CONCESSION] Southern Strategy: The Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico are becoming areas of increasing international interest in recent years, and the various people down there have virtually zero interest in any of that. Making a policy of not accepting the membership of any states found by the people in those regions to be inappropriately under foreign influence would be quite the draw to southern factions, but it would set a confrontational tone with Brazil and their bloc, given their newly-announced interest in the mouth of the Mississippi. +1 with southern American factions, the Mexican Revivalists, and the Northern Mexicans.
    -[X][CONCESSION] Lifeline of the West: The NCR, despite presently being in the flush of victory, is also feeling uncomfortably exposed, at the moment. It wants the body to commit to a project of reopening an infrastructure link across the Rockies, so that aid can reach them overland. Fortunately, Burns has just cleared out the largest concentration of bandits along the I-70, so this simplifies the question tremendously. Still, this is a big project. Without the FCNY's assistance, finding the funding for this is probably going to be the body's first big hurdle to clear. +3 with NCR.
    -[X][CONCESSION] Financier: This body is going to need a long of funding and the skills to manage it, and nobody on the continent is as wealthy as the Free City of New York. They are no longer the financial center of the world, but they know money, and have connections to get some. It'll mean handing quite a bit of power to them that cannot subsequently be taken back or controlled, but granting them the authority to handle the body's finances will invest them in it, freeing you up from having to manage them as closely as you're going to have to manage the other big players. +5 with FCNY.
    -[X][CONCESSION] Truth and Reconciliation Commission: An idea lifted from pre-Collapse Canada intended to examine the impacts of their residential schools for First Nations children, you plan to adopt it on a far grander scale. Make, as part of this body's charter, a commission with the aim of documenting the history and lasting impacts of the Collapse in humanitarian terms, and then making recommendations to the body as to how it should inform their formal decisions -- such as whom to favor in terms of who is the legitimate controller of a given patch of land. Broadly popular, but the NCR is going to see this as a slight against them. +1 with all Canadian, minor American, and northern Mexican factions. -1 with NCR.
    -[X][CONCESSION] Multilingualism: The body would doubtlessly vote to set its own language of business, and by simple majority, that language would doubtlessly be English, but you have an opportunity to reach out and accommodate the more...skittish...of your participants, here -- at the cost of a tripled administrative workload and the dire need for a large mass of translators. +1 with all Mexicans and French-Canadians.
    -[X][CONCESSION] Military Exchange: Various minor factions are interested in building up their militaries, now that Victoria (and California) are no longer factors opposing that. The CFC, having just crushed Victoria in two consecutive force-on-force contests, has significant cachet in military matters. Announce that members of this body will have the opportunity to send officer candidates to CFC military schools. This will give them the insights they desire and expand your own influence, although every spot in your academies is precious, at the moment, and if you're handing them out to others, you'll need to push harder for access to foreign academies than you were already going to have to. +2 with all minor American factions, all Canadian factions, and the northern Mexicans.
    -[X][CONCESSION] United Post Office: While the body itself will need to thresh out the details, you could establish as a part of its charter that it will create a postal service operating in all member states (associated groups as practical). This is a significant project to commit the body to undertaking, and with your own commitments, you can't be sure that you'll be able to help in a significant capacity if it needs support, but it is valuable and broadly popular, and could realistically be done in the early stages of things. +1 with all factions.
    -[X][CONCESSION] Mexican Autonomy: Agree to recognize the Mexican Revivalists' formal organization's current or future membership as beyond the body's scope, and grant them a non-voting representative with the right to address the voting council at any time, along with the right to petition for entrance to the body at a later date by simple majority. +3 with Mexican Revivalists and guarantees that they at least attend, but locks them out from joining the body proper right now and enforces a hands-off policy for their territory.
    [X] Plan To Form A More Perfect Union v1.69 FCNY Finance
    -[X] Steps On the Road
    -[X] Web of Association
    -[X] Cloture
    -[X] United Post Office
    -[X] Multilingualism
    -[X] Mexican Autonomy
    -[X] Southern Strategy
    -[X] Lifeline of the West
    -[X] Truth and Reconciliation Commission
    -[X] Military Exchange
    -[X] Financier
    [X] Plan: Yeah that sounds good, what is political capital?
    -[X] Steps On the Road
    -[X] Web of Association
    -[X] Cloture
    -[X] Multilingualism
    -[X] Southern Strategy
    -[X] Financier
    -[X] Lifeline of the West
    -[X] Truth and Reconciliation Commission
    -[X] Military Exchange
    -[X] United Post Office
    [X] Plan Random v2
    -[X] Steps On the Road
    -[X] Web of Association
    -[X] Multilingualism
    -[X] Lifeline of the West
    -[X] Truth and Reconciliation Commission
    -[X] Military Exchange
    -[X] United Post Office
    -[X] Mexican Autonomy
    -[X] Cloture


Will catch up with commentary and make some replies in a bit
 
Non-Canon Omake: Far Flung Light 2
Future Flung Light 2

The Vics shot. It was like a constant thunder storm right next to her ear as the smell of gunpowder, the mingled stink of rotten eggs and iron slamming into her like a wall of musk, a slight hint of oil and grease mixing together with it, acidic and foul. Used more to vaguely waving their barrels in the general direction of whatever poor bastard they were shaking down for money and goods than to aiming, at all, bullets filled the air like mosquitos. Some slammed into the stone tile, sending like sharp bits of shrapnel flying everywhere, opening little cuts on the downed thing that had gone toe-to-toe with Superman (and wasn't that a thought, that a man who had never existed here could return?), and managing to hit some of the light, which sparked as they shattered. The air was choked with a new smell, then, a punch and pinch of ozone.

And then one hit her.

And it bounced off. She yelled-- it hurt-- but it hadn't gone into her flesh, only left a bruise like she'd been hit by stone.

"No more standing around, let's move!" Superman-who-was-not, he was too small for her half-remembered, of nowhere memories, grabbed her and in an instant they were off, interrupting her reverie as she realized she couldn't be hurt by them, not in anyway that really mattered. He braced his shoulder and they slammed through the cheap plaster of the mall, breaking through one floor, two floors, three- and then all in an instant they were through, into the night air. She smelled, what did she smell? The smell of salt from the ocean, however-many hundreds of miles away, instantly cleaning out the smell of gunpowder. Ash, as the fire the Victorians left behind finally died out, was smothered by snow she could barely notice. And something...something...

"Ms.," the Not-Superman said again, "fighting him was harder than it should have been. I know you're new to your powers, and they're coming in all kinds of weird, but I'm gonna need you to fly on your own for a second so I can find our ride, alright? All you gotta do is focus on the air, and feeling for the well of solar energy." His hand starts to weaken as the exhausted Superman lets her go, and she can feel herself slipping. She focuses, hard, and she feels something and there's a sort of energy, a light, coursing through her body, making her feel weightless, unencumbered, one with the earth, her world, and all the beasts within. She only distantly realizes that he's let her go until she hears him tapping on something on his wrist.

A second later, a plane appears, no, uncloaks from nowhere, just in front of them. Shaped like a giant bat, and she does mean giant; it's not quite a jumbo jet, but it could probably hold a dozen, easy. Somehow it's hovering, and not like those fancy Russian jets-- there's no obvious mechanism, it just does. A second later a door opens, a sort of cargo bay she supposes. Inside there's a sort of short man in black and red, a small but bright red 'r' on his chest and a scalloped cape. "Well come on, Father says this thing can survive a rocket but I don't really feel testing it." They do, slowly but gingerly, even as down below the Victorians finally manage to point a floodlight at them. Not that it matters, a moment later there's a sound like whirring as they spontaneously disappear. "Jon?"

"I..." He flops down on a cot, turning on some kind of lamp that burns like a little sun. Despite the beating he just took, he seems to be healing quickly. Not five minutes ago his face was a mess of bruises and cuts from the nose out, now he's just scratched up, the sort of thing you shake off in an afternoon. "I found her Damian. Poisoned by radiation, unaware of her heritage, and powerful beyond all belief. She managed to scorch Weapon Z, and I didn't do that until I we'd been here six months." He manages to flip himself up, sitting heavy on the cot, his feet heavy resting on the floor. He manages to haul himself up as though finally remembering something and, stepping to what looks like a supply locker, starts pulling out bandages, applying them gingerly.

"You were looking for me?"

"Tell me, how developed is this world's theory of alternate timelines?"

"I--" She, they hadn't talked about it. But. But, for some reason, she remembers, what does she remember? Are they memories? "They're movie fodder but I could swear, I could swear for some reason I feel like I could give a lecture on them."

"Hm. Alright, then I'll make this straightforward. We-- Damian and I-- we aren't from this timeline. In ours we were examining a fault, a split, as something broke the strands of Hyper-Time, trying to massage the timeline to be more amenable to their interests. It's not unusual, and we weren't there, necessarily, to interfere, when an energy wave blasted our vessel-- this ship. We endured--"

"No thanks to my excellent piloting," Damian says, preening.

"-But were blasted through time and space and several dimensions orthogonal to both. Until we landed here, in this timeline, about a year ago. We've been traveling ever since, trying to keep our head's low, not causing too much trouble at least until my powers were back in full." He flexes and strength that should be capable of shattering steel like glass is lessened. "I was exposed to Kryptonite, a meteor of the stuff, and the radiation shielding failed against it. For a week I could barely move, for a month I was stuck piloting, like I said it was six until I could use my heat vision again." He manages to lift a metal crate with one hand. "Meaning we could finally start looking for our newest lead-- an extremely out of place Kryptonian girl on our bio-sensors."

She looks around at the cavernous pit of a ship, at the eight seats and the black matte metal surroundings. "Why are you telling me this?"

"Paranoia's for the bats," he says finally, "and the best way to build trust is to show it. And...I have had no-one to talk to with any depths except for Damian for the past year." He looks at his partner. "It got very tiring about four months in." His heart beat is-- well most of all it's loud, so absurdly loud, and fast as a horse on speed.

"-Tt. You're welcome for saving your life, Jon." He throws his hands up and stalks to the cockpit, door sliding open and shut, "I'll chart us a course out of here. See if I don't toss you over the Rockies."

"Jon, Jon," she says as their companion's boots clomp on the metal, "that's, why not Clark? Am I losing my mind?" She slides down as memories, images, feelings and scents and sensations flood her mind by proximity to this Superman. She rubs her face with her hands.

"No, no." He sits back down, finally all bandaged, and looks to her. "That's my father. We share the title these days. And now that Damian's gone I suppose we can talk without interruption. You see Damian and I have different plans. He thinks we should let this timeline develop as it will, just try and make our way back home in one of several ways. That we have no right to interfere, we don't even know what the real divergence that strangled the Silver Age of Heroes in its infancy was. Me? I say something different. I say this place is riddled with the kinds of improbabilities, idiocies, lies and atrocities that say somebody already interfered for the worse, and that it's our duty as the closest thing to subject matter experts to undo that, by putting our in waves in to cancel the first if necessary."

"And you need me for that?"

"Either way we need you. I have been damaged, corrupted by exposure to Kryptonite and we don't have the tools to fix it-- my heat vision is supposed to be red, and maybe blue under a white dwarf, not green. It's what's making reclaiming my power so difficult. We have the supplies to create synthetic grafts, bandages, more out of a simple scan-- if you'll consent to it." He looks out a window. "And when I'm back at my peak, I'm gonna beat those animals like a drum, even that big idiot, and then steal our way through one of several man made portals, back to our own timeline." He looks her in the eye, old blue eyes, unwavering. "But if you're up for it, we can do something else. You know about sonic booms?"

"I'm postapocalyptic, not illiterate-- they were what happened when a plane, or a shell, or anything went faster than sound."

"Sorry, but you'd be shocked how bizarrely eclectic knowledge has proven. In any case, a family friend is an expert in temporal dynamics like this, and he's never been overly open about it, but he once said there was something called a time boom-- what happened if you went fast enough to travel through time. Improbabilities, growing on improbabilities, spiraling outwards in fractals, growing on each other, like some demented sculpture. A failed marine ending up an agent to a restored Tzar, for instance. So we follow the stem of that demented weed to the root, and we pull, and we wipe it out, reverting back to a more normal time-stream, one where a would be Duce can't thrust the entire North American continent back into the 1920s." He wryly smiles, though with little humor. "Or maybe the 1720s."

"And why do you need me for this?"

"Because you're going to be faster than me, maybe even stronger than me. I don't know why, and I don't know how, but that's God's honest truth as I can figure. Maybe it's because you've got less carbon blocking the sunlight, maybe all the radiation in the atmosphere, maybe just random chance, but whatever the case you are going to end up able to break the Time Barrier when I can't. I can't promise anything concrete, but that should put a stop to all this, all the suffering, before it even gets a chance to start."

"Including my parents?" Fire, death, a scream, a scream she'll never not hear again--

"Perhaps. Time is a fickle thing. But I would say it is your best chance to get them back, yes."

"And would anyone even remember?"

"You would. As far as our most experienced can tell, as long as there's a causal chain then there is, if not an immunity to paradox and time-shifts, a sort of molding together." He starts waving in the air, sort of sketching out a diagram with his motions. "In short, since you who interfered with the timeline exited the stream and then reentered earlier, your sets of memories merge. It might take getting used to but, given time, you'll get them back."

"Then I'm in." Her hands unclench for the first time in hours as she finally lets herself sort of sage, deflated and tired, with that nasty new cut on her shoulder slowly healing. "I was going to say yes either way, but...I don't really have a choice in the matter now, now do I?"

"No. No I suppose not." He lays back down finally, still in his suit. "Now get some sleep. We can get your suit in the morning."
 
@PoptartProdigy sorry if you have answered this already but on a quick search I couldn't find it if so...

Does the 5 DC reduction to reconstruction type actions from "Midwest Economic Summit" apply to this action-?

[ ] Old Relics: The United States built a lot of heavy industrial presses back in the Cold War. [snip]

-Since it's relevant to re-establishing heavy industrial capacity, or is it not quite the thing? My suspicion is no, it's not a thing that getting private investors on board would help with precisely, but I am wondering.
 
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