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So I recall that Prodigy said that at best we could make 1970s era weapons with our current industry.
So any weapons or vehicles from that era anyone wants to get in particular for our army?
1970s tech?

SRBMs/MRBMs/cruise missiles are the only major platform on the list I can think of we might be able to build domestically with 1970sish tech that would be militarily relevant in 7-10 years time. And which you probably cant buy substitutes for on the civilian market. And even with that, access to modern tech greatly simplifies the process.

While we can probably homebrew Scuds and other missiles to throw at Vic airfields, HQs and arms dumps(we did build medium range SAMs for protecting Detroit, so the expertise exists domestically), its probably best to wait and find out if we can buy theater ballistic missiles and the like on the open market first.

Why?
Because they'll be built in places where the factories will not come under air and missile attack upon the outbreak of the next war with the Vics, and whose production cannot be interrupted as a consequence.

If we cant buy, then we worry about building.
 
Welcome aboard! The El is strictly local transportation and thus is not a kill objective for Victoria. It remains.
Also, Victorians have a train fetish. I suspect their usual way of sabotaging a railroad was to do it in a way that let them be in denial about what they were doing, or wherever possible to just load the rolling stock onto barges and steal it away home.

You just disbanded those. Their replacements will be available in a year, at quality 2/5.
Will they be adequately trained to avoid burning through multiple charges of Old World Equipment all in one go? Because as I recall we only have 2-3 charges left.

I was talking about a hypothetical continuation of warfare with Victoria, rather than the present situation. We wouldn't disband elite formations in the middle of an ongoing war to provide training.
Against the kind of pathetic Children's Crusade of a war Victoria could launch against us right now?

We very well might. There is plenty of time to finish the training and still beat the Vicks.
 
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If we were able to build tanks, which ones could we construct?
We could build some sort of tanks as we are now, especially given Poptart's stated the new additions to our territory and economy have given us sufficient steelworks and ore stocks we could build warships with hulls that aren't made of wood and a general 1970's tech level. The issue is that with 0 institutional or engineering knowledge regarding tank design and no experience regarding tanks apart from very carefully maintaining some very venerable M1 Abrams', anything we could build in the timeframe of the Seven Year Plan would without a doubt be several orders of magnitude worse than the tanks we could just buy on the open market.
 
Will they be adequately trained to avoid burning through multiple charges of Old World Equipment all in one go? Because as I recall we only have 2-3 charges left.
Oh, absolutely not. You need 3/5 at least to make that happen. 2/5 troops are useful in the context of the New Country, but my goodness, they absolutely tear through equipment. That's the case with any equipment you wind up using, but it'll be especially the case for the OWE, since you have such a sharply limited amount. More likely, you'll purchase some source of tanks for the reconstituted Devil Brigade with a line of parts and ammunition.
If we were able to build tanks, which ones could we construct?
Most likely, this. Project from a few of our more technically-minded members to design a tank the CFC could practically produce and would be somewhat useful. The result is this...thing.

As it stands, MBT-75, "Schwarzkopf," is dead on the design table as a platform for frontline units; you will be creating a tank force via imports, not native production. There have been suggestions to bring it back to life as an export product, though. Since the CFC has such a dominant ability to engage in and control trade with the American interior, you can pretty trivially ensure that tanks don't enter that interior in serious numbers, the only exception being if Russia is willing to commit significant parts of its strategic airlifting capacity to flying them in. In such an environment, being able to supply Schwarzkopfs to allies in the interior would be a potent means of influencing the shape of developments in that interior, in addition to giving the CFC an actual, lucrative export industry and allowing you to redevelop domestic expertise in tank design and production.

All of this is speculative, though. Building gimpy export tanks to sell at a profit abroad comes as a distant third priority behind funding your own arms purchases and setting up the ammunition and parts production demanded by the Seven-Year Plan.
 
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All of this is speculative, though. Building gimpy export tanks to sell at a profit abroad comes as a distant third priority between funding your own arms purchases and setting up the ammunition and parts production demanded by the Seven-Year Plan.

But if we successfully manage the 7 Year Plan…we can export tanks to our allies to trip up the Vicks and co?
 
Note the weakness to top-attacks. While not a true concern for continental warfare if we were to export it (since it would probably be fighting itself and it can't do offensives and we wouldn't let ATGMs into the interior if we could help it) it is a concern that becomes relevant about as quickly as somebody hides up a flight of stairs with an RPG.
 
Also, these things would be used in the tactical environment of 2085, 2090, or later. By that time, I'm pretty sure several polities will be exporting top-attack antitank missiles into North America in considerable numbers.

Oh, absolutely not. You need 3/5 at least to make that happen. 2/5 troops are useful in the context of the New Country, but my goodness, they absolutely tear through equipment. That's the case with any equipment you wind up using, but it'll be especially the case for the OWE, since you have such a sharply limited amount. More likely, you'll purchase some source of tanks for the reconstituted Iron Brigade with a line of parts and ammunition.
Sigh. Figured.

And... Devil Brigade, surely?

The Iron Brigade is a formation in our army but is functionally indistinguishable from all the others, as I recall.

Sorry for the nitpick.
 
Also, these things would be used in the tactical environment of 2085, 2090, or later. By that time, I'm pretty sure several polities will be exporting top-attack antitank missiles into North America in considerable numbers.


Sigh. Figured.

And... Devil Brigade, surely?

The Iron Brigade is a formation in our army but is functionally indistinguishable from all the others, as I recall.

Sorry for the nitpick.
The Schwarzkopf is basically always going to be vulnerable to ATGMs. It has to move sometimes. Against a force with access to ATGMs, this thing will bleed numbers every time it needs to maneuver against close infantry. The strategic environment in which it will be useful is going to be the gap in between people starting to ship in ATGMs -- when the wars of the American interior heat up enough and armor the CFC permits to pass through becomes prevalent enough to provide demand -- and when those ATGMs proliferate to the point of cutting down the tank's worth.

It is also worth noting that top-attack munitions are not standard even among the newest ATGMs of today; it's an expensive capability to add, much less to export in significant numbers to third-world statelets fighting each other with extremely tangential strategic relevance to your interests. Like, there are many reasons the players might hesitate to approve selling tanks into the brush fires that everybody knows are coming up in the interior, but there will be a role for them.

Unless things change again, and radically. They've done that a few times, in this quest.



And yes, Devil Brigade. I got mixed up a bit; technically, the combat force that Burns led through the Collapse was the Iron Rangers Infantry Regiment of the Devil Brigade, which expanded rapidly upon their adoption of the Commonwealth.
 
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The Crusaders' fortunes in this war have well and truly turned, their strong start now locking them into a strong position which conceals a lethal trap for themselves. Furthermore, Loyalist troops have begun addressing some of their earlier failings. The war grinds on, but those with eyes to see are already preparing for the rule of Premier Blackwell...

...writing! :D
 
Well damn, it was bound to happen and they lasted longer then I expected but this was bound to happen at least they fought for a good year in this civil war.
 
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Lets all take a moment to thank the crusaders for being such good assistants to the global Cultural-Marxist plot, thanks boys, you helped us gain an indescribably good head start on Blackwell, without you we would have been starting from scratch. With your inevitable death, and a slow one at that, you have given the best possible gift we could have asked for, time enough to beat your country into the dirt and avenge the ideals of America upon the continent. God bless you crusaders, and thank you so very much.
 
Yup. It was a fight that really only had one likely outcome. The Crusaders were able to delay it far longer than anyone expected, but in the end Blackwell's starting position was just too strong and theirs too weak.

Heh, wonder what the Negavese reaction to the Civil War turns is. I bet it's hilarious. Not to mention the misery they must be feeling at having to rely on Commie food to survive.
 
The longer this civil war lasts, the closer death approaches for Victoria. Part of me believes Blackwell's just forcibly trying not to think about the well-rested, well-motivated and well-equipped (at least, compared to them) forces that his own tattered militias will eventually have to face.
 
Well Crusaders, you were a useful distraction while you lasted, but could you please try to lose in a more expensive-to-Blackwell fashion over the next couple of turns than you are right now?
 
So what a lot of people are overlooking in the Victorian civil war is labor shortages. This war will lead to massive losses in skilled and manual labor that the Victorians will have to take time replacing through either training or importing slaves, plus even after the war there's the still the prospect of banditry and people deciding to expatriate themselves elsewhere.
 
The Schwarzkopf is basically always going to be vulnerable to ATGMs. It has to move sometimes. Against a force with access to ATGMs, this thing will bleed numbers every time it needs to maneuver against close infantry. The strategic environment in which it will be useful is going to be the gap in between people starting to ship in ATGMs -- when the wars of the American interior heat up enough and armor the CFC permits to pass through becomes prevalent enough to provide demand -- and when those ATGMs proliferate to the point of cutting down the tank's worth.

It is also worth noting that top-attack munitions are not standard even among the newest ATGMs of today; it's an expensive capability to add, much less to export in significant numbers to third-world statelets fighting each other with extremely tangential strategic relevance to your interests. Like, there are many reasons the players might hesitate to approve selling tanks into the brush fires that everybody knows are coming up in the interior, but there will be a role for them.

Unless things change again, and radically. They've done that a few times, in this quest.
Not to impugn the work of the designers?
But I should point out that the Schwarkzopf has 500mm RHAe + 1stgen ERA on its glacis. The PG-7VR round that has been produced since 1988 for the RPG-7 has a penetration of 600mm RHAe after ERA.

This suggests that a frontal hit with one of the RPGs that was standard-issue for Victorian squads according to the canon Fascist Cheetah omake will punch through its thickest armor, no problem.
No top attack or clever maneuvering necessary.

And given that the tanks dont have APS, top attack isnt necessary anyway.

Now consider that an RPG-7 weighs at maximum 10 or 11kg with its round.
You can squeeze a lot of them into a Cessna Caravan or a Antonov-2 or a DC-3. Or into an airdrop from a C130.
I have very little confidence about the cost-effectiveness of the Schwarzkopf design in that sort of threat environment.


My thoughts, if you'll have them?
The logistics requirements for operating armor make it largely a nonstarter in the American interior. From spare parts and maintenance to training and critically fuel. And supporting arms like combat engineers to get across water obstacles.

The fact that we'd be unable to put even gun stabilizers or vision systems on any indigenous tanks in a world where modern cellphone cameras have been coming standard with lowlight modes just makes them a waste of resources. Nevermind what happens when their opposition get their hands on commercial octocopters dropping mortar bombs.

If the Commonwealth were inclined to tailor weapons for the American interior, and noone else beat them to the punch, they'd be better off going the Plasan route. Basically import a reliable 4-wheel truck, strip it down, uparmor the chassis to resist small arms and put a gun turret on top with a heavy machinegun, a 30mm Bushmaster autocannon or even a Carl Gustav.

Build and supply them in numbers, use as either a guntruck or APC.
Most of the parts will be commercially available or can be mcguyvered.
For example:
That is a Ford F-series commercial truck chassis under all that guff; either a F350 or a F450.
There are variants with ATGMs, troop carriers and ambulances.
 
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