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Technically speaking nearly everybody in North America is a warlord state (Moreso Victoria), it's more mitosis than anything really
Well I'm saying the State itself utterly disintegrates to the level most of the continent is at. With Victoria becoming even less organized as ideological and military forces focus more on killing each other then following the mandate that Russia wants them to do.

Civil wars tend to break down a lot of what makes people...civil that's all.
 
Well I'm saying the State itself utterly disintegrates to the level most of the continent is at. With Victoria becoming even less organized as ideological and military forces focus more on killing each other then following the mandate that Russia wants them to do.

Civil wars tend to break down a lot of what makes people...civil that's all.
There's also the concept of "Foucault's Boomerang"; that colonial powers, engaging in oppressing and brutalizing their colonies, will eventually return to treating their own citizens with the same brutality. The basic idea is that it becomes a lot easier to deal with someone by force, and that mindset sticks with the armed forces and spreads to law enforcement. It becomes easier to ignore civil rights and treat discontent and unrest as the work of unruly "others" who need to be forcibly put down.

At the risk of sounding political, it's happening in the USA recently. With 9/11 and the War on Terror, people began saying they trust their soldiers and anyone with a rifle, glamorizing the military, so the police started to resemble the military more to earn respect. It didn't help that with the terrorism scare, the police were issued riot gear and anti-insurgency tools, and some got eager to try out their new 'toys', including grenade launchers firing wooden shots that can kill by blunt trauma at ranges of dozens of yards. And with veterans regularly engaging in brutal violence abroad returning home and either joining law enforcement or training them with their mindset. For instance, the 'Killology' seminars by former US Army Ranger David Grossman have been popular, training police to think of themselves at being "at war" with the streets, and to accept or even encourage the necessity of shooting to kill. It recently hit a major controversy with the shooting of Philando Castile, when it turns out the officer who shot him was taking police department-sponsored "killology" courses. That's the big problem with encouraging people like Jack Bauer to "do what needs to be done to fight evil"; one day they might not like how you honked your car horn at them in traffic, and suddenly you're the "terrorist".

Now take the Victorian war mindset, that of raiding a place, plundering it, killing anyone deemed a threat, taking war brides and children and burning down the rest - and apply it to Victorian cities and towns. Previously, they'd just send Inquisitors and hit squads to collect dissidents, and bid the neighbors good day and to stay obedient, but with a full-on civil war raging, the rules have changed. I'd hate to be someone living in a town suspected of harboring Crusaders when the Inquisitors roll around, or to be living in a city believed by the CMC to be a center of Inquisitorial activity. They might take their time and try to do a thorough investigation, but it'll quickly devolve into mass brutality because they don't have time or manpower, or maybe because it's just easier this way. Maybe it'll shock the population of Victoria, long obedient, into doing something, maybe enrich the local resistance groups in it.

Though I would be lying if I said the schadenfreude doesn't put a smile on my face.
Easier for us to swoop in and take over.
Does anyone consider that likely? I mean as food for thought their ideology is primed for self-destructive behavior.
At this stage, they're basically North Korea; too toxic to handle, even if they're rather weak. We don't bother with conquering them until we're sure we can keep them under control, and for the foreseeable future, we have too much on our plates.

Once we properly expand and build up, however, we can turn the tables. Cutting up the country into more manageable districts, use the oppressed minorities to put the boot to their necks and act as local law enforcement, isolate or dispose of anyone who still supports the old system and is trying to bring it back. This would effectively be de-brainwashing an entire population, something that would require a massive population and resource base as well as tons of patience as we deprogram the Victoria bullshit, removing it by the roots.
 
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[X][FEUD] Pitch a Hail Mary and see if they'll listen to you if you try to mediate their disputes. Prompts a roll, DC 43.
[X][COMMIES] Guarantee the Commune's independence. Another friendly power on Lake Erie is hardly a bad thing to have.
[X][RIVER] Agree to the alliance. The Kingdom isn't a large problem, but it could definitely cause issues for your plans for the Mississippi. You're happy to limit their opportunities for expansion.
[X][MEDIATE] Oh, but it is. You have no immediate interest in Minnesota but whatever's going on between Bemidji and Manitoulin intrigues you, and you very much do have a medium-term interest in resolving this conflict to your west before it becomes your problem, later. You will have the option to organize this mediation.

If we can mediate with everyone and become known as the region's reasonable faction to come to with disputes, we'll gain allies, and respect for something besides our capability to wage war.
 
I have been doing some thinking on a subject likely very important to the commonwealth, how to make our economy not suck, but I am hitting some walls and am interested in what the rest of you think.

The way I see it, we have two very basic first steps to take, repairing our infrastructure and institutions (this is mostly the stuff that is actually available to us right now in the yearly actions) and spurring on domestic consumption (for now I imagine this will happen passively as we improve on more basic issues but hopefully we will be able to address more directly later).

However, no matter how you slice it, these alone will not be enough, unless we keep rolling nat 100s on our stewardship rolls for the whole game or something. We will need foreign investment or at least exports, and lots of them. But how to get these things? So far most of my ideas have proven unfeasible.
  1. Sell a lot of natural resources. This runs into the multiple issues of all of our resources either being relatively cheap stuff that most people can get from dozens of other places like lumber, or stuff that has very few remaining uses thanks to a rise in green technology like coal. Plus we probably want to avoid the sorts of issues that often plague states that rely on resource extraction for most of their economy.
  2. Offer very cheap labor. This is not feasible both because automation has likely kicked this strategy into the dustbin of history, and because quite frankly given the makeup of our government agreeing to do this would be rather out of character imo.
  3. Find a bunch of foreign backers and use the promise of us becoming a loyal ally in the global cold war to pump them for investment. While this will result in having to tread a fine line between getting investment and just being an outright puppet, as well as the difficulty of convincing countries we can give them enough of a strategic advantage to justify investing in us in the first place, this is the most feasible option as far as I can tell, and we already kind of started doing it with getting the princess to pay for our infrastructure on her dime to help her environmental projects.
  4. Offer some kind of niche service that others don't care to or don't want to. I have no idea what this might be. Ideas range from being discount bootleg Switzerland or a black market state like Brittany from TNO to saying screw it to global copyright laws and becoming pirate radio station central or something (likely impossible due to the difficulty for us to remain politically neutral as opposed to meeting with disapproval from the biggest superpower on the planet). Would certainly mix well with our free-wheeling anti-hegemony aesthetic at the very least.
  5. Just pull a 5-year plan and do crash industrialization. This is a no-go as we have neither the resources, nor the political will or desire to engage in this sort of thing despite how enthusiastic some members of the communist faction might be.
If anyone else has any ideas I would love to hear them.

Education, education, education, education, population density and good transport.

Industrialization is mainly a manifestation of a high concentration of human resources. Though cheap energy helps significantly. I suspect that by 2073, when wind, solar and nuclear (and maybe also batteries and fusion) are considerably advanced from what we have today, energy availability is likely to be much more even around the world.

As such, by far the most important thing needed to industrialize for the Commonwealth is to invest in education (and in things that give people the good health and security to thrive in their educations, like equitable and accessible heath care and an economic safety net that supports adult education). Population density is difficult to control (though we could artificially encourage urbanization, I doubt that this would be a good idea in the specific situation the Commonwealth is in, and in any case, settling refugees in Chicago will be raising our population density) and transport infrastructure is partly covered by the lakes and the rivers of the Commonwealth. Rebuilding the rail and canal network (or heck, even properly repairing the road network) will be an expensive long-term project.

So... We need to put as many resources as we can possibly spare into education, it is cheaper and has more bang per buck than road, canal and rail building. And over time smart and motivated Commonwealthers will figure out what industry can thrive in the modern Great Lakes area.

If we steal some pages out of the book of planning and support agencies like the Scottish Development Agency and its successors Scottish Enterprise and Highlands and Islands Enterprise, we could further catalyze that and hopefully keep brain drain from becoming crippling.

Though of course, we will also need to make some investments into expanding energy generation and expanding transport infrastructure.

As far as getting the resources to pay for the above, there's really four ways to go about it:

1) Soviet/East Asian Planned Capitalist style - depress consumption to force saving, use those saved resources to pay for more efficient transport/energy generation/factories - those investments lead to increased efficiency which results in producing more resources per factor input tomorrow and thus rising wealth. This works, but the Soviet example shows the dangers of doing this with a government with weak organizational capabilities and a population that is already in grinding poverty - both of which apply to some degree to the Commonwealth in the 2070s. However, while we should keep in mind the very pertinent experience of the Soviet Union, this sort of approach has worked extremely well in mixed economies with free-ish markets. All of the "Asian Tigers" followed this path to some degree with measures of varying subtlety designed to push the savings rate up, repress consumption and support extremely high investment rates.

2) Debt/export fueled growth - borrow money from some foreign lender to build factories/generators/transport infrastructure, then use some of the products of those factories to export to places who have forms of currency that the banks/investors we borrowed from will accept, pay off the loans and then still have the factories/generators/transport infrastructure those loans were spent to buy. A major factor in the successful industrialization of the US, Japan and other East Asian success stories. This requires favorable circumstances - a stable world economy, friendly lenders, a good that can be produced advantageously locally and which foreigners with "hard currency" want to buy. It can go horribly wrong. See the Communist regimes in Eastern Europe who tried to follow the Japanese example at the wrong moment and produced goods to export to the West at a time when the West couldn't afford to import those goods, plunging the Soviet-dominated regimes of Eastern Europe into a debt-austerity cycle that broke their regimes (for example Poland falling into de facto military dictatorship in the 80s) or the failure of Argentina's attempts to build export-oriented industries. Also, even success can be problematic - see the dependence of the German economy on its export markets in Southern Europe for example.

3) Conquest & colonialism - go loot someone else, invest the resources looted at home. This is a significant part of how Britain paid for its industrial revolution, and the horrors of the Transatlantic slave trade and the abuses of the British sugar islands (which made US cotton plantations look positively humane) are why the Commonwealth probably doesn't want to make this a major source of funds for industrializing - especially since the only places the Commonwealth could realistically colonize are other areas of the former US. Though arguably I am lumping too much together under one heading, since there are 3 distinct subtypes here: this can be straightforward looting (like in medieval India where kingdoms would "box around the compass" every generation or so looting the accumulated wealth stores of their neighbours, spending that wealth on temple construction and regularly getting looted themselves, fueling the golden era of temple construction in that region - this is probably the most positive example here), conquering and taking land (such as the way the US fueled its economy by invading and dispropriating its neighbours), or using forced labour where the excess labour or the excess land is obtained by violence (like the Caribbean sugar islands, the British regime in Egypt, the Spanish regime in colonial Peru and Bolivia).

4) Agricultural revolution. The agricultural revolution is THE big factor that pushed the industrial revolution and it was caused by the Columbian Exchange pushing agricultural productivity up faster than population growth could keep up. I doubt this is something possible for the Commonwealth, since all new technologies for increasing agricultural outputs either require a long time to implement or require very large capital inputs since you are basically building a food factory... But maybe there've been some amazing advances in genetic engineered plants?

I think really, the Commonwealth will need to do all of the first 3 to at least some extent - we'll probably be forced to rely primarily on (1) to get going, with as much of (2) as we can possibly get away with (depends on finding things we can export and finding friendly lenders who won't seek to gut the Commonwealth economy if disaster strikes the world economy) and some of (3) as we loot the wealth stores of Victoria and recycle them into productive economic spending.

Money, unless the Commonwealth is borrowing from abroad, isn't really important. What is important is the trust that undergirds the money system (which is why irresponsible management of currencies can be so damaging) and the productivity of the economy of real people, real goods and real services. That said, the economic advantages of tapping the innovation and resources of the world outside the FUSA are so great that the headaches of dealing with getting "hard" currency (that is, money that people in Moscow, Lagos or Paris will trust) very much worthwhile, so likely we WILL be borrowing from abroad and we WILL have important concerns about the Commonwealth's hard currency reserves and trade balance etc.

fasquardon
 
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Education, education, education, education, population density and good transport.

Industrialization is mainly a manifestation of a high concentration of human resources. Though cheap energy helps significantly. I suspect that by 2073, when wind, solar and nuclear (and maybe also batteries and fusion) are considerably advanced from what we have today, energy availability is likely to be much more even around the world.

As such, by far the most important thing needed to industrialize for the Commonwealth is to invest in education (and in things that give people the good health and security to thrive in their educations, like equitable and accessible heath care and an economic safety net that supports adult education). Population density is difficult to control (though we could artificially encourage urbanization, I doubt that this would be a good idea in the specific situation the Commonwealth is in, and in any case, settling refugees in Chicago will be raising our population density) and transport infrastructure is partly covered by the lakes and the rivers of the Commonwealth. Rebuilding the rail and canal network (or heck, even properly repairing the road network) will be an expensive long-term project.

So... We need to put as many resources as we can possibly spare into education, it is cheaper and has more bang per buck than road, canal and rail building. And over time smart and motivated Commonwealthers will figure out what industry can thrive in the modern Great Lakes area.

If we steal some pages out of the book of planning and support agencies like the Scottish Development Agency and its successors Scottish Enterprise and Highlands and Islands Enterprise, we could further catalyze that and hopefully keep brain drain from becoming crippling.

Though of course, we will also need to make some investments into expanding energy generation and expanding transport infrastructure.

As far as getting the resources to pay for the above, there's really four ways to go about it:

1) Soviet/East Asian Planned Capitalist style - depress consumption to force saving, use those saved resources to pay for more efficient transport/energy generation/factories - those investments lead to increased efficiency which results in producing more resources per factor input tomorrow and thus rising wealth. This works, but the Soviet example shows the dangers of doing this with a government with weak organizational capabilities and a population that is already in grinding poverty - both of which apply to some degree to the Commonwealth in the 2070s. However, while we should keep in mind the very pertinent experience of the Soviet Union, this sort of approach has worked extremely well in mixed economies with free-ish markets. All of the "Asian Tigers" followed this path to some degree with measures of varying subtlety designed to push the savings rate up, repress consumption and support extremely high investment rates.

2) Debt/export fueled growth - borrow money from some foreign lender to build factories/generators/transport infrastructure, then use some of the products of those factories to export to places who have forms of currency that the banks/investors we borrowed from will accept, pay off the loans and then still have the factories/generators/transport infrastructure those loans were spent to buy. A major factor in the successful industrialization of the US, Japan and other East Asian success stories. This requires favorable circumstances - a stable world economy, friendly lenders, a good that can be produced advantageously locally and which foreigners with "hard currency" want to buy. It can go horribly wrong. See the Communist regimes in Eastern Europe who tried to follow the Japanese example at the wrong moment and produced goods to export to the West at a time when the West couldn't afford to import those goods, plunging the Soviet-dominated regimes of Eastern Europe into a debt-austerity cycle that broke their regimes (for example Poland falling into de facto military dictatorship in the 80s) or the failure of Argentina's attempts to build export-oriented industries. Also, even success can be problematic - see the dependence of the German economy on its export markets in Southern Europe for example.

3) Conquest & colonialism - go loot someone else, invest the resources looted at home. This is a significant part of how Britain paid for its industrial revolution, and the horrors of the Transatlantic slave trade and the abuses of the British sugar islands (which made US cotton plantations look positively humane) are why the Commonwealth probably doesn't want to make this a major source of funds for industrializing - especially since the only places the Commonwealth could realistically colonize are other areas of the former US. Though arguably I am lumping too much together under one heading, since there are 3 distinct subtypes here: this can be straightforward looting (like in medieval India where kingdoms would "box around the compass" every generation or so looting the accumulated wealth stores of their neighbours, spending that wealth on temple construction and regularly getting looted themselves, fueling the golden era of temple construction in that region - this is probably the most positive example here), conquering and taking land (such as the way the US fueled its economy by invading and dispropriating its neighbours), or using forced labour where the excess labour or the excess land is obtained by violence (like the Caribbean sugar islands, the British regime in Egypt, the Spanish regime in colonial Peru and Bolivia).

4) Agricultural revolution. The agricultural revolution is THE big factor that pushed the industrial revolution and it was caused by the Columbian Exchange pushing agricultural productivity up faster than population growth could keep up. I doubt this is something possible for the Commonwealth, since all new technologies for increasing agricultural outputs either require a long time to implement or require very large capital inputs since you are basically building a food factory... But maybe there've been some amazing advances in genetic engineered plants?

I think really, the Commonwealth will need to do all of the first 3 to at least some extent - we'll probably be forced to rely primarily on (1) to get going, with as much of (2) as we can possibly get away with (depends on finding things we can export and finding friendly lenders who won't seek to gut the Commonwealth economy if disaster strikes the world economy) and some of (3) as we loot the wealth stores of Victoria and recycle them into productive economic spending.

Money, unless the Commonwealth is borrowing from abroad, isn't really important. What is important is the trust that undergirds the money system (which is why irresponsible management of currencies can be so damaging) and the productivity of the economy of real people, real goods and real services. That said, the economic advantages of tapping the innovation and resources of the world outside the FUSA are so great that the headaches of dealing with getting "hard" currency (that is, money that people in Moscow, Lagos or Paris will trust) very much worthwhile, so likely we WILL be borrowing from abroad and we WILL have important concerns about the Commonwealth's hard currency reserves and trade balance etc.

fasquardon
I agree with a lot of this, namely that our top priorities should be education, urbanization and transportation, and will support any plan that has these as its top priority, although I would also add communication infrastructure to that, since it tends to be something of an economic multiplier itself as EBR pointed out.

That being said, I think a combination of 2 and 4 is our most likely path forward. Our agriculture is in a sorry enough state that just bringing it up to modern 2070s standards is going to be a long-term project and would be a serious boost just by itself, while option 3 isn't viable because we have neither the list of enemies nor desire to engage in the sort of widespread looting and colonialism that would net us a significant amount of wealth, especially since we have no plans to treat anyone in the surrounding region the way empires usually treat conquered subjects. And while option 1 is theoretically possible, I think that the commonwealth political system is a bit too democratically left-wing to actually be willing or able to pursue such a plan. So we need to figure out how to maximize the benefits of option 2.
 
That being said, I think a combination of 2 and 4 is our most likely path forward. Our agriculture is in a sorry enough state that just bringing it up to modern 2070s standards is going to be a long-term project and would be a serious boost just by itself, while option 3 isn't viable because we have neither the list of enemies nor desire to engage in the sort of widespread looting and colonialism that would net us a significant amount of wealth, especially since we have no plans to treat anyone in the surrounding region the way empires usually treat conquered subjects. And while option 1 is theoretically possible, I think that the commonwealth political system is a bit too democratically left-wing to actually be willing or able to pursue such a plan. So we need to figure out how to maximize the benefits of option 2.

Why would leftwingedness or democracy be incompatible with forcing depressed spending and increased investment? Plenty of democratic governments have managed it.

although I would also add communication infrastructure to that

Aye, true. I also missed off talking about remittances/attracting immigration/tapping the diaspora.

fasquardon
 
Education, education, education, education, population density and good transport.

Industrialization is mainly a manifestation of a high concentration of human resources. Though cheap energy helps significantly. I suspect that by 2073, when wind, solar and nuclear (and maybe also batteries and fusion) are considerably advanced from what we have today, energy availability is likely to be much more even around the world.

As such, by far the most important thing needed to industrialize for the Commonwealth is to invest in education (and in things that give people the good health and security to thrive in their educations, like equitable and accessible heath care and an economic safety net that supports adult education). Population density is difficult to control (though we could artificially encourage urbanization, I doubt that this would be a good idea in the specific situation the Commonwealth is in, and in any case, settling refugees in Chicago will be raising our population density) and transport infrastructure is partly covered by the lakes and the rivers of the Commonwealth. Rebuilding the rail and canal network (or heck, even properly repairing the road network) will be an expensive long-term project.

So... We need to put as many resources as we can possibly spare into education, it is cheaper and has more bang per buck than road, canal and rail building. And over time smart and motivated Commonwealthers will figure out what industry can thrive in the modern Great Lakes area.

If we steal some pages out of the book of planning and support agencies like the Scottish Development Agency and its successors Scottish Enterprise and Highlands and Islands Enterprise, we could further catalyze that and hopefully keep brain drain from becoming crippling.

Though of course, we will also need to make some investments into expanding energy generation and expanding transport infrastructure.

As far as getting the resources to pay for the above, there's really four ways to go about it:

1) Soviet/East Asian Planned Capitalist style - depress consumption to force saving, use those saved resources to pay for more efficient transport/energy generation/factories - those investments lead to increased efficiency which results in producing more resources per factor input tomorrow and thus rising wealth. This works, but the Soviet example shows the dangers of doing this with a government with weak organizational capabilities and a population that is already in grinding poverty - both of which apply to some degree to the Commonwealth in the 2070s. However, while we should keep in mind the very pertinent experience of the Soviet Union, this sort of approach has worked extremely well in mixed economies with free-ish markets. All of the "Asian Tigers" followed this path to some degree with measures of varying subtlety designed to push the savings rate up, repress consumption and support extremely high investment rates.

2) Debt/export fueled growth - borrow money from some foreign lender to build factories/generators/transport infrastructure, then use some of the products of those factories to export to places who have forms of currency that the banks/investors we borrowed from will accept, pay off the loans and then still have the factories/generators/transport infrastructure those loans were spent to buy. A major factor in the successful industrialization of the US, Japan and other East Asian success stories. This requires favorable circumstances - a stable world economy, friendly lenders, a good that can be produced advantageously locally and which foreigners with "hard currency" want to buy. It can go horribly wrong. See the Communist regimes in Eastern Europe who tried to follow the Japanese example at the wrong moment and produced goods to export to the West at a time when the West couldn't afford to import those goods, plunging the Soviet-dominated regimes of Eastern Europe into a debt-austerity cycle that broke their regimes (for example Poland falling into de facto military dictatorship in the 80s) or the failure of Argentina's attempts to build export-oriented industries. Also, even success can be problematic - see the dependence of the German economy on its export markets in Southern Europe for example.

3) Conquest & colonialism - go loot someone else, invest the resources looted at home. This is a significant part of how Britain paid for its industrial revolution, and the horrors of the Transatlantic slave trade and the abuses of the British sugar islands (which made US cotton plantations look positively humane) are why the Commonwealth probably doesn't want to make this a major source of funds for industrializing - especially since the only places the Commonwealth could realistically colonize are other areas of the former US. Though arguably I am lumping too much together under one heading, since there are 3 distinct subtypes here: this can be straightforward looting (like in medieval India where kingdoms would "box around the compass" every generation or so looting the accumulated wealth stores of their neighbours, spending that wealth on temple construction and regularly getting looted themselves, fueling the golden era of temple construction in that region - this is probably the most positive example here), conquering and taking land (such as the way the US fueled its economy by invading and dispropriating its neighbours), or using forced labour where the excess labour or the excess land is obtained by violence (like the Caribbean sugar islands, the British regime in Egypt, the Spanish regime in colonial Peru and Bolivia).

4) Agricultural revolution. The agricultural revolution is THE big factor that pushed the industrial revolution and it was caused by the Columbian Exchange pushing agricultural productivity up faster than population growth could keep up. I doubt this is something possible for the Commonwealth, since all new technologies for increasing agricultural outputs either require a long time to implement or require very large capital inputs since you are basically building a food factory... But maybe there've been some amazing advances in genetic engineered plants?

I think really, the Commonwealth will need to do all of the first 3 to at least some extent - we'll probably be forced to rely primarily on (1) to get going, with as much of (2) as we can possibly get away with (depends on finding things we can export and finding friendly lenders who won't seek to gut the Commonwealth economy if disaster strikes the world economy) and some of (3) as we loot the wealth stores of Victoria and recycle them into productive economic spending.

Money, unless the Commonwealth is borrowing from abroad, isn't really important. What is important is the trust that undergirds the money system (which is why irresponsible management of currencies can be so damaging) and the productivity of the economy of real people, real goods and real services. That said, the economic advantages of tapping the innovation and resources of the world outside the FUSA are so great that the headaches of dealing with getting "hard" currency (that is, money that people in Moscow, Lagos or Paris will trust) very much worthwhile, so likely we WILL be borrowing from abroad and we WILL have important concerns about the Commonwealth's hard currency reserves and trade balance etc.

fasquardon

Could we pursue 2 and 4 via cornering the market on industrial fishing? Building sustainable fisheries and even maybe some aquaponics facilities will offset food production, and considering we control Lake Erie, we could move into having a hold on Walleye/pickerel and making it a delicacy that we can ship locally. This would depend on us building up a fishing and trade fleet, but it's something we could do. Of course, this all depends on the ecological damage the past couple decades have done to the Great Lakes, and whether or not the constant fighting between all the tiny micronations has lead to a huge resurgence in the local fish population. Or, comparatively worse off, if the lakes have been overfished because no one is giving a crap about the local ecosystem anymore, working on building up the local fish population so that we have a future export.
 
it is easy to sell hardship to people who are used to it,
our living standards are already at rock-bottom, our people are happy that they are not starving and we are in a war of survival,
I posted a chat from discord where Poptart talks about how poor we are as a nation
forums.sufficientvelocity.com

Victoria Falls: A Post-Collapse American Nation Quest [Down With Victoria!]

also off discord how poor are we apparently living of mussels and algae poor that's how :cry:
we are a nation with a mission the CFC has the will to sacrifice luxuries many of them have never known if it means killing Victoria faster and I think they will agree that schools are more important than a PS15 :V
 
Well I'm thinking of another SUPER Event for you @BoredStudent1414 I don't know if it will happen but its something to consider given the nature of civil wars.

The Victorian Crisis

What chance of survival does a culture have when its own elites actively seek its destruction- William S Lind

Then Fall Victoria...

I don't know what image to use but one of the Yugoslavian Wars images from the 1990s should give us an accurate picture of what the hell is going on in Victoria proper...or Vietnam...or hell even the Irish Troubles to characterize the chaos.

Context: The Victorian Civil War has gone on for too long, the famine that has long been predicted by everyone once the winter comes and the working population forced in soldiering, along with the societal strains of being defeated by an "evil" force, the resistance finally getting the chance to strike and treating a good percentage of their population as literal slaves has finally boiled over into full-blown societal collapse brought about by poor national management, a self-destructive ideology and not fully dealing with your secretly unhappy and abused population that finally decided to go for the shotgun to kill you at long last.

Because you (Victoria) have ignored reality and acted with only cruelty and hatred to much of the world around you even to your supporters telling you to act smarter, you will reap the whirlwind of your making.

Whether or not they get to this point is unknown but the seeds of such a crisis remain...waiting to sprout at long last.

Or Basically the German Civil War in TNO reaching Anarchy.

Music: I leave that to you!
 
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Pennsylvania/The Appalachians/The Cascadian Insurgency
There are bullet holes where my compassion used to be
And there is violence in my heart

Nine Inch Nails, My Violent Heart

Education, education, education, education, population density and good transport.
Education, transport and communication.
Communication and transport having significant overlap in the road, rail, river department. Cellphone and postal service as well.

We'll especially want to push smartphone penetration, because of its multiplicative effects on economic and social activity.
Everything from mobile banking to instant access to meteorological data for farmers to public health information to actual distance learning programs for children and adults, leveraging the recorded lectures of larger institutions.

And how it empowers people to maintain social contacts even at physical removes, which both reduces the barriers to people moving, and makes it easier to ensure cash remittances from those who move.
As far as getting the resources to pay for the above, there's really four ways to go about it:
1, 2 and 4.

3 is not really viable without occupying Victoria in a way we lack the manpower or international support to do atm. The reparations were a one-time opportunity that came about as a result of internal Victorian strife and the obliteration of their military; I do not expect it to reappear before we destroy the Victorian state.

When we finally kick over Victoria, we'll have access to the industrial infrastructure they have, specifically the hydroelectric and tidal power generation, which will be valuable, assuming they dont try to blow it up in a final fuck you as we strangle them.
But thats more in the nature of possible loot at the end of a story, not an ongoing economic consideration.

Could we pursue 2 and 4 via cornering the market on industrial fishing?
No.
Its been forty years since the Collapse, when food security was a real problem for a lot of places. The lowhanging fruit there has been plucked.

Even today, fish farming in the open sea is something that places like Norway and Scotland do off their sea coastline, using structures like this:



That's salmon farming going on in salt water off the Norwegian coastline for export.

I would not be surprised to find New York doing much the same thing to supplement their own food supply imports.
I doubt we can compete in that sort of market anytime before acquiring a maritime coastline, especially since unlike the open ocean, the Great Lakes freeze in winter.
 
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So whatever happened to that Prussian revivalist movement from the book? Are there still people trying to reinstate the Kaiser?
When I asked about that Prussian revivalist movement, I kind of wanted to know if Prussia had been reestablished as a nation. It's been decades since we saw the Kaiser convince Kraft to run for governor, and I want to know if the Tsar ever got around to fulfilling his end of the bargain.
 
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When I asked about that Prussian revivalist movement, I kind of wanted to know if Prussia had been reestablished as a nation. It's been decades since we saw the Kaiser convince Kraft to run for governor, and I want to know if the Tsar ever got around to fulfilling his end of the bargain.
If I remember correctly, Poptart said at one point they aren't getting Kaliningrad, they have to wait until modern German borders are reached.
 
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