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Victoria Falls: A Post-Collapse American Nation Quest [Down With Victoria!]

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Anyone have ideas about some of the other Native American reservations?

I could see the Navajo and Tohono O'odham skirmishing with the NCR.
 
Mazeka said:
I could see the Navajo and Tohono O'odham skirmishing with the NCR.
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*checks population*
Navajo Nation: 173,667. >300,000 enrolled tribal members as of 2015.
Tohono O'odham Nation: 28,000.
California: 39.5 million as of 2018.

Gods no. You are really vastly overestimating the actual power of the First Nations in post-Fall North America.

Their pre-existing national organization gives them an edge on surviving random attacks from opportunists, assuming that they manage to stay together.
But the idea that they are going to be pushing back against even the bigger warlords, let alone the fragments of pre-Fall America that survived the Collapse with enough cohesion to be local powers, don't really pass the smell test. They don't have the human capital necessary.

The best you are likely to see are political entities where Native Americans/First Nations people provide the original nucleus of a larger nation.
 
Cyberphilosipher said:
I like to think one of the Major founders of Sister Cali were Native American...its sweet in a way.
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The timeline doesn't allow for it.
The NCR is the rebadged Pacific Republic plus some landgrabs, which was basically the State of California post-Collapse and some additional territory.
It more or less sprang fully formed; no assembly required.

It doesn't prevent there being Native American PoV characters if you so choose; President, major legislators, senior civil servants et cetera.
But Cali's original demographics has Native Americans and Alaskans at 0.8%.
Even with refugees from other parts of North America, those proportions will only have change so much in forty years given that starting level.

If I had to bet, the current NCR president is Hispanic or mixed-race.
 
uju32 said:
If I had to bet, the current NCR president is Hispanic or mixed-race.
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I agree, but stranger things have happened in this world...like Russia not getting nuked once they started playing Chicken with many nuclear-armed nations.

I get it is part of the story and universe...but really looking at the backstory of the world I just have trouble believing that this whole mess didn't devolve into at least two or three more nukes flying beside the one in Atlanta.

Edit: I get it its part of the story and we have a nuke in the wild in universe but I refuse to belive its the only one in the world not in someone else's hand.
 
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AKuz said:
Monarchy has always been a net negative. Though they are awfully good liars and it is possible to miss this fact.
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cant disagree with the feeling

but remember that while many countries still monarchy on paper,in facto they are democratic,because the prime minister is the one calling the shoots on the government

canada wouldnt give a fuck about england excerpting power on them because

1) they are a re-skin of england with american and french touches

2) the monerch is symbolic at best
 
Could y'all take the monarchy soap boxing and "debate" to PMs? Believe it or not sith like this has a profound cooling effect on discussion here. I'm half convinced posting even this much will have someone jumping on me as tacitly approving of authoritarianism or an imaginary past by not staunchly supporting their position. I do have opinions, and they might even be reasonable. YOU'LL NEVER KNOW
 
Mazeka said:
And NYPD? Cartridge or caseless?

(And yes, I'll drop this line of questioning soon people.)
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Well, I'm not sure who you were directing that question to, but I'll give my opinion.

While FCNY is a big deal, they're not a big enough deal or under sufficient threat that owning or operating anything on the G29's level makes sense. H&K would probably be willing to sell them kit IMO, but I doubt they'd want or need it badly enough to pay through the nose for something that bleeding edge.

As for the cops using a certain type of ammo, cartridges just makes the most sense. It's cheap, it's easier to manufacture, there's more pre-existing designs built for it, and caseless doesn't do stuff that much better aside from higher capacity and no need for ejection. Why bother with caseless at all when their main issue is policing anyways?
 
CthuluWasRight said:
Hechler and Koch would probably not be especially eager to conduct major arms deals with warlords and insurgencies, no.
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You might be surprised.
Given some of the shenanigans during the RL Cold War....

CthuluWasRight said:
It would also be bleeding-edge expensive, more than we could hope to afford.
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Doubt that very much. It's a forty year old rifle that was introduced in 2032.
Whether it actually fits our needs is a different matter, but simple cost is unlikely to be the issue.

CthuluWasRight said:
Well, I'm not sure who you were directing that question to, but I'll give my opinion.
While FCNY is a big deal, they're not a big enough deal or under sufficient threat that owning or operating anything on the G29's level makes sense. H&K would probably be willing to sell them kit IMO, but I doubt they'd want or need it badly enough to pay through the nose for something that bleeding edge.
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*looks over the border at Victoria's one hundred and eighty thousand professional soldiers pre-Accession War*
I suspect FCNY would disagree with you. And given that the NYPD are the only formed force that FCNY was allowed under the treaties that Russia compelled them to sign, they have every incentive to own the best stuff they could get away with.

CthuluWasRight said:
As for the cops using a certain type of ammo, cartridges just makes the most sense. It's cheap, it's easier to manufacture, there's more pre-existing designs built for it, and caseless doesn't do stuff that much better aside from higher capacity and no need for ejection. Why bother with caseless at all when their main issue is policing anyways?
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Because it's the 2070s, not the 2000s.
Firearms technology has (slowly, glacially) moved on, and what's bleeding edge today is more likely to be in wider circulation then. It is probably going to cost more for the NYPD to deliberately stick with cartridges if everyone else moved to caseless several decades ago.

The G29 was introduced in 2032. It's not a new gun.
 
Whenyouseeyou said:
So where are the trump family just wondering because they are the one of the factors who lead to collapse
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Here's Word-of-QM on the matter:
PoptartProdigy said:
FCNY in particular has made Trump in general a blacklisted brand. Businesses bearing the name are illegal, and any business owned by a Trump may not operate within the City. In addition, anybody claiming membership to the ex-President's family is forbidden from seeking residence in the City. Sort of, "we recognize that you suffered greatly reaching us through the chaos of the Country, and, as we aren't monsters, we will hardly insist that you go back, but get on the next fucking boat out of here if you're going to be using that name. Free of charge." They can change their name, though, and vow on the record that they are disowning the Trump family in general. There are few words for how viscerally hated the entire Trump family is in FCNY these days.

Real estate in general did poorly with the Collapse ongoing, and a Trump made a lot of enemies. I can't see his holdings being spared the wave of property nationalizations that went around during the Collapse. In fact, quite the opposite.

As for influential families...most of them have dropped off the record. You don't even know where the Daleys got to.
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EBR said:
FEAST THINE EYES



sta.sh

Victoria Must Fall I

sta.sh sta.sh

EDIT: Hold up a sec.
EDIT the Second: There we go! Picture working. I have completed THE MAP!
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Nice work.
That really does help put things in perspective. The poor bastards living in the territories between us and Victoria are going to have to pick a side right quick, because economic activity is unlikely to pick up in an obvious future battlefield.

Long way to the Gulf tho.
We will need to have our diplomats working on overdrive, hand in hand with our merchants.
Need to gobble up the rest of Michigan before we start gnawing on Ohio.
 
You know if we reunite America in the form of the USA and rebuild the military and economy we will be the most powerful nation once again then when Russia start ww3 we fight for payback
 
Personally, I think we'd be best off "encouraging" Russia's inevitable collapse (the bear's new territories likely aren't happy). A potential WW3... I shudder to think of something like that. Not sure if it could happen without things going nuclear.
 
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