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Presumably there's a reason that the Imperial Japanese Army appears to have replaced most of its occupation forces in Cascadia with automated flying death robots. And to have heavily implied elsewhere to have gone all in on technological military solutions. Though facing down China also helps to explain the need to have all their manpower elsewhere
Also a reason that their occupation force before the uprising of the Rainbow Coalition in... 2062?... was small enough to be straight-up overwhelmed across much of the Pacific Northwest. If they weren't limited in troop strength that would be less likely to have happened.
 
Got a possible omake, and I need some advice.

What equipment is NYPD using these days - locally-made ARs, Belgian firearms from FN, or Germany's new caseless weapons?
 
Got a possible omake, and I need some advice.
What equipment is NYPD using these days - locally-made ARs, Belgian firearms from FN, or Germany's new caseless weapons?
FCNY is rich.

They can afford caseless, they have European links and have motive to upgun their police in the event they have to be used in a civil defence role against Vic aggressors. I would expect their cops to be armed to European military standards.I would not be surprised if they are license-building caseless small arms locally, or at least the ammunition.

And frankly, the AR-15 platform is about a hundred and twenty years old at this stage; Armalite designed it in 1956.
I'd be pretty surprised if the Commonwealth itself doesn't go with a caseless weapon, or at least cased-telescoped ammo like what's coming out of the US Army's NGSW program IRL; the savings in weight are significant.
 
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Got a possible omake, and I need some advice.

What equipment is NYPD using these days - locally-made ARs, Belgian firearms from FN, or Germany's new caseless weapons?
Since they're a police force, it shouldn't be anything too powerful. Overpenetration's a thing, especially in a place so densely populated. So for my own advice, if you want to give them more than pistols, go for either shotguns or keep the cartridge as either hollowpoints or in the pistol range, so SMG's.
 
Since they're a police force, it shouldn't be anything too powerful. Overpenetration's a thing, especially in a place so densely populated. So for my own advice, if you want to give them more than pistols, go for either shotguns or keep the cartridge as either hollowpoints or in the pistol range, so SMG's.
Overpenetration is as much a matter of ammunition choice as anything else.

AP ammo will go through an engine block; frangible ammo has limited penetration through drywall.
If they're worried about overpenetration, they'll simply acquire the appropriate ammunition, and keep standard military ammo and AP shot for actual civil defence situations.
 
I'd be pretty surprised if the Commonwealth itself doesn't go with a caseless weapon, or at least cased-telescoped ammo like what's coming out of the US Army's NGSW program IRL; the savings in weight are significant.
Mmm, I would be. While I don't doubt it's reasonably available on the international market the problem is that I doubt the domestic production is there, considering our industrial situation. You don't really want your AR ammo to be dependent on overseas trade. Maybe when our tech situation improves somewhat that'll change, we'll see.
 
As for weapons, let me remind you that this is one example of what a European armed response unit looks like:
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The UK doesn't even routinely arm it's cops.

Mmm, I would be. While I don't doubt it's reasonably available on the international market the problem is that I doubt the domestic production is there, considering our industrial situation. You don't really want your AR ammo to be dependent on overseas trade. Maybe when our tech situation improves somewhat that'll change, we'll see.
We're importing industrial equipment, which is the point of breaking the Vic lock on the Seaway. We're not going to the next war with what we did in this. At this stage it will actually be more difficult to source the industrial equipment to mass produce ARs and their ammunition cheaply because the rest of the world has moved on and that stuff has been junked.

It would be like, say, trying to import the manufacturing equipment to arm a new African republic with domestically-produced Martini-Henrys or Lee-Enfields. It would cost significantly more than simply importing the equipment to build AKs, and give you less capacity.
Especially when the Vics get a clue and Vic infantry actually start wearing bullet-resistant harnesses like every other army with sense.
 
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FCNY is rich.

They can afford caseless, they have European links and have motive to upgun their police in the event they have to be used in a civil defence role against Vic aggressors. I would expect their cops to be armed to European military standards.I would not be surprised if they are license-building caseless small arms locally, or at least the ammunition.

And frankly, the AR-15 platform is about a hundred and twenty years old at this stage; Armalite designed it in 1956.
I'd be pretty surprised if the Commonwealth itself doesn't go with a caseless weapon, or at least cased-telescoped ammo like what's coming out of the US Army's NGSW program IRL; the savings in weight are significant.
It's all well and good to talk about what FCNY can afford, but the question is about what they use. The primary barriers for FCNY doing anything remotely militaristic aren't material - they're political. It's ironic, but FCNY is almost certainly dealing with the nega-verse equivalent of the "Right to Bear Arms" crowd, only instead of lobbying to let everybody have guns they're always lobbying against militarization. Which would be very effective - one of the reasons gun lobbyists are so successful is that just showing up and saying "No" is pretty easy, while showing up and advocating for a more measured approach has the issue of getting everyone to agree which measured response to advocate for.

I don't doubt they have equipment for Armed Response Units/SWAT or whatever (potentially even a very large amount of it if a brave politician tried to skirt the disarmament and had had the PR/spin to get it past opposition/ fearful voters), but I also expect that the frequency of usage of that level of firepower in the course of normal policing will have fallen dramatically (per capita, total is probably about equal) due to stuff like bans on personally owned rifles, gun registration, and other stuff that happens everywhere but America RL and really cuts down on gun violence.
 
but I also expect that the frequency of usage of that level of firepower in the course of normal policing will have fallen dramatically (per capita, total is probably about equal) due to stuff like bans on personally owned rifles, gun registration, and other stuff that happens everywhere but America RL and really cuts down on gun violence.
I'm going to call doubtful on this. These sorts of laws couldn't be implemented in the US of today. A post Collapse US, in a city a stone's throw away from Victoria? No militarization, sure, but you're not going to convince people to give up guns in that sort of world. It would be a new Prohibition with amateur gunsmiths as the bootleggers.
 
It would be a new Prohibition with amateur gunsmiths as the bootleggers.
Smuggling guns from Europe is the new booze from Canada. Here's how a conversation would go.

"I don't want something that will blow up in my face!! I want something that can drop a man from Half a mile...I'll take a Kalashnikov from the Russian guy if that is what it takes!!"

"So...do want Anti Personel or Hollow Point to go with it?"

"I need something...Bold, and painful."

"So explosive...then. You're asking for a lot!!"

They continued arguing Prices for the next three days.
 
NYPD has response teams now armed to modern military levels and is rumored to have anti-air gear. I would imagine in this scenario, that while the regular officers are of course normally only packing pistols, there's quite an armory somewhere if needed. Nassau and Suffolk PDs have similar levels of equipment.

When you walk through Penn Station these days alongside the NG units are NYPD folks in body armor with M4s. And those are just the 'quick response in case someone decides to do something dumb' not the full up tactical guys.
 
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I'm going to call doubtful on this. These sorts of laws couldn't be implemented in the US of today. A post Collapse US, in a city a stone's throw away from Victoria? No militarization, sure, but you're not going to convince people to give up guns in that sort of world. It would be a new Prohibition with amateur gunsmiths as the bootleggers.
It really isn't. The reason that stuff can't be easily implemented in today's US is because there's a large and highly active lobbying group that's against it - who draw much of their support from the American right. There's a big left/right divide in being urban/rural, so the Collapse would quite literally have removed much of the popular support for the anti-gun control lobby by dint of that group no longer being part of the union, because there is no union and they don't live in NYC/FCNY. Also, the collapse of much of the US Military-Industrial complex means there's a lot less arms manufacturers throwing money behind anti-gun control groups, which would have a similar degree of chilling effect on their activity.

Like, you'll note that I never suggested anything like flat-out banning handguns - only banning assault rifles*, stringent background checks, and registering guns in private hands. These are all measures that have a certain degree of popular support (especially in places like New York) but haven't been able to be passed specifically because of anti-gun control lobbying.

*To be fair, I did say "banning rifles" without specifying, but I am 99% sure that hunting rifles are not particularly popular/relevant in the middle of a Megacity that doesn't have room for additional stuff without knocking something else down. The only things around to hunt are people and pigeons, and arguing that you need a hunting rifle so you can take potshots at animals on peoples' roofs is going to get you asked some awkward questions by angry folk with bullet holes in their ceiling/walls.
 
It's all well and good to talk about what FCNY can afford, but the question is about what they use. The primary barriers for FCNY doing anything remotely militaristic aren't material - they're political. It's ironic, but FCNY is almost certainly dealing with the nega-verse equivalent of the "Right to Bear Arms" crowd, only instead of lobbying to let everybody have guns they're always lobbying against militarization. Which would be very effective - one of the reasons gun lobbyists are so successful is that just showing up and saying "No" is pretty easy, while showing up and advocating for a more measured approach has the issue of getting everyone to agree which measured response to advocate for.

I don't doubt they have equipment for Armed Response Units/SWAT or whatever (potentially even a very large amount of it if a brave politician tried to skirt the disarmament and had had the PR/spin to get it past opposition/ fearful voters), but I also expect that the frequency of usage of that level of firepower in the course of normal policing will have fallen dramatically (per capita, total is probably about equal) due to stuff like bans on personally owned rifles, gun registration, and other stuff that happens everywhere but America RL and really cuts down on gun violence.
I don't buy this at all.
The structural imperatives of being disallowed by treaty from having even a nominal military means that they are going to be heavily reliant on their law enforcement agencies for any sort of armed response, with a concomitant increase in dual-capability equipment.

Pre-existing precedent from the Old Country means that NYPD patrol officers already have a practice of carrying a backup longarm in their patrol vehicle for which they are qualified, everything from shotguns to selectfire automatics.
Switching from Mossbergs and ARs to the new German hotness and standardizing on it should not generate comment.

As for private use, the anti-militarization crowd are fighting the current of having Victoria committing atrocities less than a hundred miles away in PA.
They'd be just as effective in FCNY as the Right To Bear Arms people are now: noisy, litigous, futile.

Even if they managed to somehow get that kind of thing into law, who would enforce it? How are you going to stop black market ARs flooding in from gunsmiths in Newark across the Hudson to every citizen who disagrees? You end up with something in the mode of Prohibition, where people, including LEOs will brazenly flout the law and hide weapons in their domiciles. Corrosive to societal cohesion, dangerous to the citizens.

Its not that there arent strong reasons to want to regulate firearm access in a metropolis in normal times; there are. But these are not normal times.

FCNY cannot have survived forty years after the Collapse by ignoring public concerns.
I suspect that private ownership of arms is funnelled into membership of officially registered militias and passing some sort of certification. Basically an expansion of the existing RL NYC licensing scheme for owning firearms.
 
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Think the disarmament of FNYC at this point is over as victoria cant really afford to inforce it as they have lose there whole army and there militia that they raised to deal with us and CMD, that to is gone. And they still have to deal with the CMD and they have a lack of food
 
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