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We probably shoulda chosen Blockade. Shit, we really should have done that because IIRC the remaining Victorian air force will kamikaze against our ships if we press their use hard.

Expect to lose a few ships to the last ditch Victorian air kamikaze attack.
 
It's finnnnneeeee. We may get a bloody nose and broken arm but it's unlikely for the war to be lost.
 
Well, let's review the winning plan.

[] Plan Needle and Hammer (No OWE)
-[] Defend with all committable forces. Bring up all of your troops and all of the Detroit Militia. Estimated two days to total force destruction.
-[] Limited assault. Begin launching probing attacks across a wide area. Force them to spread their forces and strain their logistics. Wear down their supplies and weaken them for the final clash. Five days to prepare and begin offensive operations. Slower resolution, likely several weeks.
-[] Capture the freighters if it appears possible to disable them without a threat to the overall safety of the fleet.
-[] Full bombardment.

Now, what might we have overlooked?

1) We could have overlooked something involving the Victorian freighters.
2) We could have overlooked an air threat, since Victoria still has some air power, and conceivably a Russian air strike could happen at any time
3) We could have overlooked something regarding the Victorian land offensive, the spoiling attack on our lines.
4) We could have overlooked something regarding the Victorian land defensive, something that will make us unable to crack their lines.
5) We could have overlooked something regarding the Victorian land supplies, something that will, again, make us unable to crack their lines.
6) We could have overlooked something regarding the Victorians' rear area troops, the divisions garrisoning Toledo and the islands.

I'm honestly unable to come up with any other categories.

(3) seems iffy. The Victorian spoiling attack is pretty badly outgunned at this point and we're in an excellent position to crush it. The only way I can see it being a threat is if drawing all available forces to meet it leaves something else fatally uncovered. But what.

(2) breaks down into "one last hurrah by surviving Victorian jets or "Russian airstrikes disguised as Victorian airstrikes." We can't really do anything about the latter possibility because Russian aircraft are absurdly higher-tech than anything we can defend ourselves with; all we can do is endure those air attacks.

(6) breaks down into "the Toledo division does something fucky" or "the islands division does something fucky." The islands division can't do anything fucky without transportation, which means either they're on the freighters (in which case several thousand warm bodies plus their equipment might not be visible to us on radar), wrapping back to (1), or they have some transportation we don't know anything about. And The Toledo garrison reinforcing the Victorian troops on the Raisin would be bad but not insurmountable; it makes our existing plan less effective but not actively bad.

(4) and (5) are most obviously issues because of Russian supplies, which may make it impossible for us to exhaust the Victorians the way we wanted to once they have another week or two to start flying in "Victorian" transport planes.

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So basically, what might the overlooked things been?

A) The freighters could be a trap designed to sink our ships directly. Unlikely to work; we've faced similar threats and overcome them, and Romano is wary of suicide bombs and other such tricks.

B) The freighters could be carrying a division or so of Victorian infantry taken from the lake islands- note that Poptart said presumably, which means we don't know. This is a credible threat, but with the Victorian freighters headed straight for our navy, we're in close to the ideal position to counter the threat. Even if they do land troops, those troops will be landing a considerable distance from Detroit, or will have to turn and sail a considerable distance to reach Detroit, giving us more time to react and shift forces. However, I consider this to be one of the most significant threats. If the Victorians somehow manage to land a division of troops in a place of their choosing behind our lines, it could still fuck shit up, and with almost all our forces on the Huron Line, they'd have at least a short window of opportunity to do damage before we could respond.

C) The Victorians could be planning a massed kamikaze attack with their remaining jets, probably on our navy. This is another plausible threat. It's hard to say how many of our ships they would sink in this way, since the fleet does have air defense of its own and has managed to shoot down several jets coming in for strafing runs in the past. It also has synergy (for the Victorians) with (B) since it might pin down or neutralize our navy at the same time they're trying a last-hurrah amphibious attack.

D) The Victorian land attack could have some kind of special strength we don't know about. I'm skeptical of this one, because we've just recently been in contact with that force and know its power.

E) The Victorian defenses could hold out due to the known prospect of Russian supplies, making it impossible for us to simply shatter them and push through by brute force. This is much more of an issue with "Limited Assault" than it would have been with "Full Assault," which I can only apologize for since I supported limited assaults too.

F) Our decision to bombard with the navy could somehow be a major mistake. Assuming the fleet doesn't abruptly turn into were-idiots or something, I'm not sure how, though. Bombardment puts them close to our army formations and permits some degree of mutual covering of one another with AA weapons, and seaborne resupply of the surviving Victorian forces that gets past our guard would, while bad, still not put the Victorians in a position where they could easily overpower us.

G) The Russians could launch airstrikes, which we can't really do anything about if true except try to hold on as best we can. I don't think that would represent us overlooking something in our plan, though, since it's basically "meteors start falling on us," in that we can't really stop it from happening or do much to minimize the damage if it does. Our air defense systems are not realistically capable of stopping Russian jets handled professionally by Russian pilots.

H) The Victorians could have the nuke and a plan to use it. Again, not really something we could have planned for.

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Is there anything else anyone can think of?

Hm.

@PoptartProdigy , I do have one specific question.

The Detroit Militia forward-deploying to the Huron Line to meet the Victorian spoiling attack seems like a bit of a stretch from their original assignments, but likely possible- as noted, they can piggyback off our supply line. However, it seems very out of character for them to participate in a counterattack all the way to the Raisin Line for an extended period of time.

Will the Detroit Militia be returning to the city after we (presumably) halt the Victorian attack on the Huron Line and begin our own counterattack?
 
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@PoptartProdigy , I do have one specific question.

The Detroit Militia forward-deploying to the Huron Line to meet the Victorian spoiling attack seems like a bit of a stretch from their original assignments, but likely possible- as noted, they can piggyback off our supply line. However, it seems very out of character for them to participate in a counterattack all the way to the Raisin Line for an extended period of time.

Will the Detroit Militia be returning to the city after we (presumably) halt the Victorian attack on the Huron Line and begin our own counterattack?
That is correct; as noted previously, they are only capable of deploying up to the Huron Line at the very furthest. Further, they simply lack the organization to do it. They're a purely defensive force, and honestly they barely existed before the war declaration.

And now, I write the update. Delicious, unanticipated update. :rofl:
 
A note from Discord about what was overlooked:
I said that there was something you missed in your planning. We already had plenty of folks panicking about the ships.
So, a last-ditch attack by the VAF combined with an all-in infantry division on the freighters could be the issue.

In which case there's not much to do but hope our AA is up to the task on the last remaining ~20 sabotaged Victory Falcons. Or that it at least gets enough of them that kamikaze attacks don't kill enough.
 
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Well, as I see it, either:

1) It involves the Russians.
2) It involves the Victorians somehow pulling a big army out of their asses and insta-reinforcing
3) It involves the Victorians somehow putting a small force somewhere we did not expect it
4) It involves Victorian kamikaze jets.

Hmmm.

The Russians, if they're willing to hit us, can hit us from many many directions, but that ability doesn't represent something we've overlooked- it's just something we were incapable of preparing for given the resources available.

I doubt the Victorians will pull off (2) because that would be bad QMing and Poptart does evil QMing, not bad QMing.

3) is possible, but there are only so many small forces available. The island force being aboard the freighters is one possibility, but we've already prepared against that about as well cas can reasonably be expected. It may hurt but the possibility hasn't been overlooked. See comment from the Discord.

The kamikaze jet threat, likewise, hasn't been entirely overlooked- they could totally hurt us that way, but keeping the fleet concentrated is about the best preparation against that we can make. It's just about the only asset we have that they can realistically destroy with their remaining planes. And we have discussed that, unless I miss my guess.

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One thing that's still "in the wind" is the relief column the Victorians drafted from Buffalo in an attempt to revitalize their eastern army. Moving overland, they might show up any time now. We basically just assumed they'd turn around and go home.

NEW WORST CASE SCENARIO:

A CMC mechanized division supported by a massive Peasants' Crusade of mixed militias and trucks comes roaring into Essex County, the same area we fought the Leamington Force in. We would be out of position to stop that force if so.

On the other hand, that would really, REALLY strain the limits of what we've been told is logistically possible for Victoria, as I understand it.
 
One thing that's still "in the wind" is the relief column the Victorians drafted from Buffalo in an attempt to revitalize their eastern army. Moving overland, they might show up any time now. We basically just assumed they'd turn around and go home.
That's a possibility, but I'd think we'd have word coming in about a more organized column, since we're already receiving word about the sporadic fighting between the locals and the Leamington remnants.
 
E) The Victorian defenses could hold out due to the known prospect of Russian supplies, making it impossible for us to simply shatter them and push through by brute force. This is much more of an issue with "Limited Assault" than it would have been with "Full Assault," which I can only apologize for since I supported limited assaults too.
full bombardment would have probably been better for a full assault. With limited assault blockade might have been better, though it depends on how quickly Victoria starts TRYING to send more supplies.
NEW WORST CASE SCENARIO:
just to be completely sure, there is NO WAY they could send a force (say, the division in Toledo) directly to Chicago, right?

Probably a stupid question, but it sounds like something they'd consider if at all feasible. They wouldn't even need that many troops when nearly all of our army is in Detroit and Chicago is mostly defenseless
 
Of course, we did start assuming the Russians would be airdropping a bunch of supplies to the force we're trying to finish off. They might decide to airdrop in supplies elsewhere instead or in addition, so Victorian logistical capacity isn't the limiting factor for longer ranged army deployment.
 
Probably the air force. Only factor unaccounted for.

The sea lift for moving ten thousand men from an island in the lake to the shores of Lake Erie undetected just isn't there. Not given that they're throwing those ships at the navy instead of attempting to land.
And we have radar coverage of the eastern part of Lake Erie anyway, up to the islands.

If the Vics have the logistics to run a CMC mechanized division three hundred km, there would not have been an amphibious landing at Leamington. While air resupply is possible for a mobile force, it's unlikely, and won't save the army.
 
Isn't Cali due to declare independence any day now?

Less any day and more in a year and a half (well, I guess just a year given how long the Erie Campaign has gone on).
"The NCR has a timetable of three years to independence," says Sandra. "When we declare independence, we want you to recognize us as an independent and legitimate state, and come to the table to agree on territorial claims. In exchange, we sabotage the Vicks' war effort as best we can. We produce a lot of their materiel. We can hurt them."
 
Rolls 8/6/19 - 1
All right, we're rolling for the spoiling assault!

On the Victorians' side, one gently-used armor division and the survivors of the infantry division you smacked who appear to have reacted to the casualties by concluding that their lives mean nothing. They are launching an all-out assault on the Huron Line, survival be damned.

On your side: E V E R Y O N E. Every single soldier you can muster aside from the brigade maintaining a just in case watch on the fringes of Windsor District. Including the Detroit Militia-

-and at this point, y'all finally get morale bonuses. Because the Militia is not counterattacking into weakened Victorians. They are not nervous. They have their backs to the suburbs of their home. For many, they have their backs to their homes. At least one person is aiming an assault rifle out through their living room window. They get a morale bonus.

And how does this add up?

Victoria's objective is, "Make them bleed."

Victorian Modifiers

Go ye heroes, go and die: 2 points.
Troop quality: 2 points.
Armored spearhead: 1 point.
Supply status: -1 point.

Total Modifier: 4 points.

(After a huge number of soldiers died at the Raisin Line, the survivors did what Vicks do best, and foraged. Also after the gut punch you gave them last time, the VAF has finally fucked off back to base.)

Your objective is, "Wipe them out."

Commonwealth Modifiers

Numbers: 2 points.
Troop quality: 1 point.
Homes at their backs: 1 point.
River crossing: 1 point.
Fortifications: 1 point.

Total Modifier: 6 points.

Well, this is a familiar stat lineup.

Let's see how well the Victorians do this time, shall we?
PoptartProdigy threw 1 3-faced dice. Reason: Spite And Thunder Total: 2
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