But with what men? Terrorist cells require on-the-ground, local fanatics to tap into or enough time/energy expended to start conscripting locals. Trying to 'ship in' special ops units to start raiding will be difficult- Victoria is feared and hated, which means any attempts to bury into the countryside around Chicago will be spotted and opposed.
I like the idea but lack the posting privileges to actually implement it. @100thlurker? What say you?
You don't know that the Victorian Resistance exists yet.
I'm not sure if this has been asked but how much of their military has Victoria lost?
Lots of it. You'll see specifics soon.
To avoid sphagetti blocks...
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| Length: | 58 m (190 ft) |
| Beam: | 7.62 m (25.0 ft) |
| Draught: | 2.4 m (7.9 ft) |
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| Speed: | 34 knots (63 km/h; 39 mph) |
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| Complement: | 45 |
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| Type: | Fast attack craft |
| Displacement: | 398 long tons (404 t) |
| Length: | 57.80 m (189 ft 8 in) |
| Beam: | 7.80 m (25 ft 7 in) |
| Draught: | 2.60 m (8 ft 6 in) |
| Propulsion: | 4 shafts, 4 MTU 16V 956 TB91 diesels 17,700 hp (13.2 MW) |
| Speed: | 40 knots (74 km/h; 46 mph) |
| Range: | 1,300 nmi (2,400 km; 1,500 mi) at 30 knots (56 km/h; 35 mph) |
| Complement: | 40 |
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| Class and type: | Missile boat |
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| Length: | 61.7 m (202.43 ft) |
| Beam: | 7.62 m (25.00 ft) |
| Draft: | 2.8 m (9.19 ft) |
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| Complement: | 53 officers and crewmen |
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| Aircraft carried: | Eurocopter Panther in Aliya subclass (in ISC) |
| Aviation facilities: | Helipad and helicopter hangar in Aliya subclass |
*cough*
You know you want it, comrades!
That's... um... that's big. I'd forgotten that the Army Corp of Engineers was keeping back Mighty Mo. New Orleans may be alive-ish, but the mouth of the Mississippi could well be 50 miles from the city
50 miles is four extra hours trip for a boat travelling at 10 knots an hour, that's all. Nawlins is still on the Gulf, still a seaport.
By the same token, we don't need to negotiate with a warlord of New Orleans either, unless said warlord is willing to give up all the infrastructure a city the size of Nawlans provides to move
At the same time, a few big storms and there might not be much left.
Transshipment.
True.
At least Miami isn't below sea level right now.
I actually have recently held some discussions on Discord on the topic, somebody there being far more learned on the topic than I.
True.
From what I understand, that's more to do with storm surge issues... technically. IE, climate change basically killed the barrier reef that used to be offshore from Miami (which protected it from the worst of undertow from major storms), but now that it's gone each major storm does a not insignificant effort of drawing the coast (and miami) into the sea.
The Hudson river valley is actually pretty productive, and the Viks own almost all of it.
Yeah. Internal security actions are a priority. Action economy is going to be REALLY tight next turn and we're still working on the aftermath of the war, but the turn
Again, realistically the Victorians can't entirely draw down their forces in Toledo. They have supply dumps and a headquarters there, and it's their only port. Without a significant force of soldiers in the city, the local Toledoans can just pillage their headquarters, and then the Viks are screwed.
Suffice to say that our air defense units are not that professional or that well equipped. The only reason they're so effective against the Viks is that the Viks have no working standoff munitions with which to destroy a SAM site from outside its range, and their training and doctrine for avoiding air defense fire is actively counterproductive.
The thing is, cruise missiles can be engaged by air defenses too; if we're relying on home-built missiles, it's a problem either way.
Operating one or two midget submarines out of a whole national navy is not indicative of "this is a super effective weapon system and everybody should use them."
Uju, to a large extent the things you think are covered by plot shielding can reasonably be covered by other things.
Alternatively, the ballistic missile submarine patrol force was reduced over the decades of economic collapse, and the handful of individual captains at sea hesitated to launch nuclear weapons and either attack US soil (Victoria) or start World War III (attacking Russia). And then the Russians themselves, who by this point had good access to much of the continental United States, seized or disabled the submarine bases.
That's fair and I respect that. At the same time, there's a good reason for New Orleans to have become fairly insignificant- the river moving, plus assorted disasters.
Wendy Harrelson:
One of the things I think you're missing is that New Orleans is, shall we say, high maintenance. The city is hurricane-prone. Large parts of it would flood and remain flooded indefinitely sooner or later, if not for a network of levees maintained by the federal government. It is precisely because of New Orleans' importance as a port that the US invests the time and effort to maintain a great city there. With a breakdown in trade along the Mississippi, a breakdown in federal authority, and any of the other shit mentioned in Lind's book (like the city being ground zero for a nasty plague)...
Now me, I have a Chicago-centric crossover-based explanation for why global warming has turned out to be improbably small in effect.
Oh?Now me, I have a Chicago-centric crossover-based explanation for why global warming has turned out to be improbably small in effect.
