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Victoria Falls: A Post-Collapse American Nation Quest [Down With Victoria!]

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Our gunboat crews are experienced and we have at least limited weather forecasting capability. Our gunboats can take shelter in the face of an oncoming storm. Among other things, Leamington and Wheatley Harbor are now open to us.

xa na xa said:
[x] Allow them both to observe.

I think most of the military plans are ok, so I have no preference.

But allowing journalists and foreign observers could help greatly in getting rid of the bad neighbour malus, so I want a plan including it.

(though there's a risk, if we do badly military it might worsen our reputation, but I think it's worth the risk)
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I dunno, it might humanize us. Everybody hates Victoria and is familiar with the experience of getting stomped on by Victorians, so seeing our troops take a kicking or three before finally rallying at the last line of defense and throwing them back might actually be better from a PR standpoint. As compared to just repeatedly splattering Victorian forces on camera like they were mooks in a video game with us cast as the protagonist, hypothetically.

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You're a filthy splitter, Simon!
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How am I the splitter when it was my plan in the first place!? :p
 
[X] Plan Yummy Loot
-[X] As a reaction force to counter any dangerous crossings, most especially in terms of Victorian armor.
-[X] Yes. You have confirmed some mission kills on Victorian armor, but you haven't eliminated them as a force. You needs the Abrams tanks in place.
-[X] Retreat across the river and blow it now. Clever tactics are not worth the risk of the Victorians managing to seize and hold the bridge.
-[X] The Navy will withdraw from Monroe; you don't think you need them. Instead, they will go to that grounded laker ship and have their marine complements board it, clearing out the Victorian soldiers and making it so civilian vessels from Detroit can begin looting the vessel.
-[X] Allow them both to observe.
 
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[X] Monroe tanks, Monroe problems
-[X] As a reaction force to counter any dangerous crossings, most especially in terms of Victorian armor.
-[X] Yes. You have confirmed some mission kills on Victorian armor, but you haven't eliminated them as a force. You needs the Abrams tanks in place.
-[X] Wait to blow the bridge until Victorians are in sight of it.
-[X] The Navy will remain, and continue to provide artillery cover over Monroe. You could use it to slow down the Vicks.
-[X] Allow them both to observe.

I was going to ask how exactly Toronto would interfere with the resupply seeing as the city was well north of the projected route, but Poptart on the Discord has confirmed that:
Toronto's the big guy in the region aside from Victoria. They can project to that isthmus. They will.
Assuming they get word, anyhow.
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So... Who's wants to inform the Canucks about this nice juicy target heading their way?
 
[X] Plan Yummy Loot
-[X] As a reaction force to counter any dangerous crossings, most especially in terms of Victorian armor.
-[X] Yes. You have confirmed some mission kills on Victorian armor, but you haven't eliminated them as a force. You needs the Abrams tanks in place.
-[X] Retreat across the river and blow it now. Clever tactics are not worth the risk of the Victorians managing to seize and hold the bridge.
-[X] The Navy will withdraw from Monroe; you don't think you need them. Instead, they will go to that grounded laker ship and have their marine complements board it, clearing out the Victorian soldiers and making it so civilian vessels from Detroit can begin looting the vessel.
-[X] Allow them both to observe.
 
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[X] Plan Yummy Loot
-[X] As a reaction force to counter any dangerous crossings, most especially in terms of Victorian armor.
-[X] Yes. You have confirmed some mission kills on Victorian armor, but you haven't eliminated them as a force. You needs the Abrams tanks in place.
-[X] Retreat across the river and blow it now. Clever tactics are not worth the risk of the Victorians managing to seize and hold the bridge.
-[X] The Navy will withdraw from Monroe; you don't think you need them. Instead, they will go to that grounded laker ship and have their marine complements board it, clearing out the Victorian soldiers and making it so civilian vessels from Detroit can begin looting the vessel.
-[X] Allow them both to observe.
 
[X] Plan Yummy Loot
-[X] As a reaction force to counter any dangerous crossings, most especially in terms of Victorian armor.
-[X] Yes. You have confirmed some mission kills on Victorian armor, but you haven't eliminated them as a force. You needs the Abrams tanks in place.
-[X] Retreat across the river and blow it now. Clever tactics are not worth the risk of the Victorians managing to seize and hold the bridge.
-[X] The Navy will withdraw from Monroe; you don't think you need them. Instead, they will go to that grounded laker ship and have their marine complements board it, clearing out the Victorian soldiers and making it so civilian vessels from Detroit can begin looting the vessel.
-[X] Allow them both to observe.

Yes defense focus is smart when enemy is trying to cross a river.
 
[X] Plan Yummy Loot
-[X] As a reaction force to counter any dangerous crossings, most especially in terms of Victorian armor.
-[X] Yes. You have confirmed some mission kills on Victorian armor, but you haven't eliminated them as a force. You needs the Abrams tanks in place.
-[X] Retreat across the river and blow it now. Clever tactics are not worth the risk of the Victorians managing to seize and hold the bridge.
-[X] The Navy will withdraw from Monroe; you don't think you need them. Instead, they will go to that grounded laker ship and have their marine complements board it, clearing out the Victorian soldiers and making it so civilian vessels from Detroit can begin looting the vessel.
-[X] Allow them both to observe.
 
Toronto probably does not want to rock the boat, even if the Vics appear to be doing badly at the moment. They might even have an understanding with them. We don't know much about the outside political situation after all.
 
bdun140 said:
So... Who's wants to inform the Canucks about this nice juicy target heading their way?
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Noone. Because they already know.

When you share a lake with a bunch of crazies with a penchant for waging punitive warfare across the continent, watching them very closely is a way of life. The more so when they just moved a hundred and forty thousand men and a hundred aircraft to attack one of the three major cities that dominate the Lakes.

Ten to one they have had land observers watching the land approaches to Buffalo since the Vics declared war, in case it was a feint, and Vic forces tried to work across their right flank, just as they will have lake patrols watching Viv naval movements.
Any less is suicidal incompetence.

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[X] Plan "Show the world that Americans can defeat Victoria"
-[X] As a reaction force to counter any dangerous crossings, most especially in terms of Victorian armor.
-[X] Yes. You have confirmed some mission kills on Victorian armor, but you haven't eliminated them as a force. You needs the Abrams tanks in place.
-[X] Retreat across the river and blow it now. Clever tactics are not worth the risk of the Victorians managing to seize and hold the bridge.
-[X] The Navy will remain, and continue to provide artillery cover over Monroe. You could use it to slow down the Vicks.
-[X] Allow them both to observe.

We really need all the bonuses that we can bring to bear on this initial clash if we're going to break the Southern Force. We sent the 1st east to allow concentration of force south, rather than harrying the south even harder, and now people are looking to split our force again?
 
Godwinson said:
We really need all the bonuses that we can bring to bear on this initial clash if we're going to break the Southern Force. We sent the 1st east to allow concentration of force south, rather than harrying the south even harder, and now people are looking to split our force again?
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It's been a week IC since the last vote.
The Big Red One finished with the East about five days ago, and are currently backing up the division currently here in the south.
That's two divisions in the south.
 
uju32 said:
It's been a week IC since the last vote.
The Big Red One finished with the East about five days ago, and are currently backing up the division currently here in the south.
That's two divisions in the south.
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Yes, I know, and now people are voting to send our navy off, rather than use it to help blunt the Victorian force.
 
Godwinson said:
Yes, I know, and now people are voting to send our navy off, rather than use it to help blunt the Victorian force.
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I think the attitude is that freeing up one and a half or so divisions worth of troops to occupy various southern defense lines is a big enough deal to offset the Navy going off to do something else for a few days. The gunboats' bombardment power is roughly equivalent to the artillery batteries of a single division, if I remember rightly how many land-based artillery tubes our divisions have. That's a powerful asset, but it's still only part of a division's assets.

Basically, we're still dividing our assets, but our assets are less divided than they were.

I'm torn on this question myself, but I can see the argument.

random_npc said:
I wonder how much getting that relife convoy back will allow them to mitigate the damage to bufflos economy?
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Obviously it'll be better than if the convoy all got eaten by wolves or something. But the effects will still be very bad, because removing all motorized vehicles capable of long trips from a city (and its hinterland) would cause huge disruption that would be very hard to repair. Even things like "how are we going to feed everyone now" would be called into question.
 
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Simon_Jester said:
I think the attitude is that freeing up one and a half or so divisions worth of troops to occupy various southern defense lines is a big enough deal to offset the Navy going off to do something else for a few days. The gunboats' bombardment power is roughly equivalent to the artillery batteries of a single division, if I remember rightly how many land-based artillery tubes our divisions have. That's a powerful asset, but it's still only part of a division's assets.

Basically, we're still dividing our assets, but our assets are less divided than they were.

I'm torn on this question myself, but I can see the argument.
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The coming initial clash is the moment that everything else in this campaign has been built around, ensuring that we don't get overrun and destroyed by the Victorians. Retaining our naval assets for helping to blunt their assault is very important, because even small bonuses matter a hell of a lot when the maximum delta of roll results is 2.
 
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Canon Omake: Letter From the Victorian Home Front
  • Sidestory
    • Okay. I've written the first of three omake ideas.
    The next two will be a response to the end of the war from a Victorian perspective and an encyclopedia entry on the Victorian state religion.

    As for this short, I wrote it out in one go, and I am not happy with it. I just know I didn't manage to keep my character voice consistent. But, if I don't post it, I never will. So, please offer whatever criticism you want and I will make edits.

    Dear Gregory,

    Hello. How are you? I hope you are doing well.

    Everybody was so shocked when we heard the Commonwealth had declared war. No one truly believed it would ever happen. Father Michael says this is a small way of God punishing us for becoming lax in our duties. He says that instead of going out and ensuring people have been keeping to his law, we have been spending too long sitting at home and treating His holy army as nothing more than a mundane job.

    I hope he is wrong about the punishment part. I wouldn't want you to get hurt just because the adults got lazy.

    We are all fine here. In fact, aside from how everyone crowds around the radios each evening to hear the news, you could believe there was not a war at all. Though, you could hardly not forgive that given how little news there has been anyway. The biggest scare was what Jeffrey heard, saying there had been a surprise attack on Buffalo. Just like what the Japs did in the school books!

    Father Michael heard about the rumors of course and Jeffrey got his radio taken away. All the adults say Jeffrey was lucky he didn't get a caning cause he was going around spreading fake news and making a ruckus. Then, Jimmy's family got back from visiting family in Niagara Falls and they all said the rumors were true!
    Then even the adults started getting upset! Father Michael had to send for a Marine Chaplain to come explain everything just to calm everyone down. And he showed up within the day!

    There was a big town hall meeting. Everybody had to come. Even the really little kids that do not know how to be still and quiet. And he got up and explained how, yes, the Commonwealthers had attacked the port at Buffalo. But, not only did they attack long before anybody was on any of the boats, they completely failed to even touch any of the ships meant to carry the army to Michigan. Then they ran away.
    Everyone was still pretty tightly wound, but now everyone knew the attack had completely failed. Big Billy, whose learning how to fly his father's crop-duster, even says there's no way those boats could outrun the air force too. He says they couldn't outrun his old prop plane much less a jet. So, all those Marxist boats ought to be at the bottom of the Lake by now.

    Everything got quiet again after that. Though Chaplain Meyer still visits regularly to make sure we all know the real news. Most recently he told Mom and Dad that you were part of the group that liberated a bunch of suburbs East of Detroit. I know you are doing well now, but I hope the war ends soon. And I know all those people must be very grateful you have gone and saved them, but please do not do anything foolish. Mom and Dad think I don't know, but only the littlest, or the dumbest, kids haven't heard about the kinds of parties they have outside Victoria.

    Dad says the post office is probably holding all the letters until the war ends so idiots like Jeffrey don't go accidentally spilling secrets to any bad guys with their own radios. But, Chaplain Meyer says he'll personally make sure my letter gets to you after he leaves tomorrow.

    Please come home soon.

    Love,

    David
     
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    • Godwinson said:
    Yes, I know, and now people are voting to send our navy off, rather than use it to help blunt the Victorian force.
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    Because we are looking at a haul enough to equip multiple new divisions. Plural. Or to uptech our existing ones
    With the Monroe bridge down, the town boobytrapped and the BRO on call with a charge of OWE we are reasonably certain to bleed the Vics and retreat to the second defense line in good order, even without the navy.

    The war does not end here. Even if we TPK this entire Victorian army.

    They have ocean ports and international market access and a superpower sugardaddy, we don't. And we have an opportunity to get a headstart on the next campaign by securing supplies now. Supplies we can't get any other way, since we have to build the economy and reaching out diplomatically, not just throw effort at building more milspec gear.

    Godwinson said:
    The coming initial clash is the moment that everything else in this campaign has been built around, ensuring that we don't get overrun and destroyed by the Victorians. Retaining our naval assets for helping to blunt their assault is very important, because even small bonuses matter a hell of a lot when the maximum delta of roll results is 2.
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    Literally defense in depth is what our entire plan has been built around.
    We didn't commit everyone at the Leamington landing either. There's less of a force disparity at the Raisin line than there was in the East.
    And we have been bleeding them for a week.

    This is not the decisive point. We can spare the Navy for a night.
     
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