Victoria Falls: A Post-Collapse American Nation Quest [Down With Victoria!]

[100thlurker]

do not become what you fight.

Heh. Heh heh heh.

Screw conquest. Do we have Willie Pete shells?

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I'm not thinking of the fleets...

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Wherever you were thinking of taking this, don't. This is my only warning.

 

[Strypgia]

that's enough @Lailoken, you have been warned about this kind of behavior before in this and other quests. You're out.

Everyone else, no further replies to him.

 

[BungieONI]

here's how it is

So, thanks @Strypgia for removing Lailoken. He gets 25 points for disrupting the thread with caustic sarcasm and violating Rule 4: Don't Be Disruptive.

I don't think the smallpox samples survived detonation.

Given your previous infractions, I hope you weren't suggesting using them.

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A person's infraction history is not to be used to personally attack them @Mopman43 or to imply that they have Rule 2 violating ideas. It violates the idea of playing the ball and not the man and thus violates Rule 3: Be Civil. Take 25 points and a three day threadban.

If you feel need to say thing swithout regard for how people interpret your sloppy presentation of wording, sure, whatever. Just remember that regardless of how right you are in technicality, not many will want to listen to you if you're a smarmy prick about it, and no one will defend you should your refusal to use context and wording properly come back to bite you.

Your actual point, about securing bioweapons and all that? Sure, that's fine. And it's your right to be a snarmy, childish little shit about how you say it, snorting into your upper lip about how superior you are when people misinterpret your likely deliberately baity wording. But it's also everyone else's right to call you out on your shit, or kick you out, or drop to your elevel and pretend that the above insult "was just an example, so you have no right to get upset about it", or the like.

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It is indeed accepted to point out someone's mistakes and when they're wrong. But it is not okay to drop to their level and do things like say "it was just an example, you have no right to be upset" because that is not helpful to the smooth running of a thread. Take a staff notice for Rule 3 to not go further in that direction.

As for everybody else, something I find helpful for playing the ball and not the man is considering both my posts and other people's posts. Take a minute, a breath, whatever and divorce whatever point their making from the speaker so you can evaluate and respond to their point. I would suggest trying this more, since we're all basically on this forum to entertain and inform ourselves.

I hope everyone has a good day!

 

[Strypgia]

going a bit too far

Only thing more fun is shoving Nazis into furnaces, now if only there was a way to combine the two.

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When you've gotten to the point of making jokes this dark, you make them very short. This goes on for way too long and gets a bit too much into the bloodlust to get a wave. It's an entire post about how much a fun joke it would be to massacre Victorians while you have lunch and laugh, and throws in wishing to combine it with shoving people (well... Nazis) into furnaces as well. Back off this point. 25 points and 3 days out.

 

[kokuenDG]

someone's been naughty
And by naughty I mean that someone has blatantly disregarded not only the thread policy, but has also broken multiple rules in the process with their trollish behavior which includes but is not limited to:

Rule 2: Don't be Hateful, where they chose to advocate for genocide through a purge.

Rule 3: Be Civil, for their general behavior in the thread

And Rule 4: Don't be Disruptive, for the very disruptive and derailing nature of their posting.

As such, I don't really believe that a poster like this necessarily deserves to be in the thread any longer. So!

@Shard of Victory you're done. You're out of this thread for good for your behavior.

As for everyone else...well, don't do what that guy did, mmkay?

 

[Strypgia]

the gm told you to stop

I think you should ask @PoptartProdigy before making that decision

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This is slightly delayed due to RL, but Ugolino, you need to take it back down several notches. This argument got heated more than once, and despite the GM saying to knock it off, people persisted or flared back up again. So you're taking a week off. You're passionate about this, but you've hit the point of your own vehemence actively turning people off agreeing with you.

there's a banner

I'm not going to pretend moderation in off the cuff throw away OOC comments regarding my own beliefs to make people happy. I generally tend to be honest about what I believe. It's easier that way.

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Its not fine because it's simply her opinion. It's fine because the United States of America has literally done each and every one of those things. It's fine because it's an accurate description.

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AKuz and her commie friends can go with victoria.

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There's a pointed banner about bringing in RL politics here. Tossing around inflammatory rhetoric about the US in defiance of the Thread Banner with a fig leaf of 'It's just my opinion' or 'it's fine because it's true' does not pass. Nor does 'lol commies!'. If Shard of victory wasn't already permanently threadbanned, he'd be getting it right now. AKuz, you realized your own anger was driving and apologized, which is why you're not taking a break for a while too, but don't repeat.

A reminder to everyone: The GM has us on speed dial, and we're aware this thread has needed attention far more often than Poptart would like. Everyone play nice.

[ ] Adopt the metric system wholesale. -1 Legitimacy for not sticking to US Imperial.

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I reckon with America gone, Liberia, Myanmar, and the UK have possibly abandoned Imperial anyway.

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IRL, both Myanmar and Liberia have officially/effectively gone metric. The UK uses Imperial only in traditional bits, like height of people, not in business. Only the US's inertia and economic might keep Imperial going in the US at all. In the aftermath of the Collapse, there's no reason not to just switch over, since literally the entire rest of the world has. The BRO might set the example, as the US Military functionally runs on metric for both accuracy and ease of interoperability with allies.

 

[Strypgia]

I mean, Ugolino is obviously right about everything, of course. I'm obviously contradicting myself by saying "we will need better weapons than we have now, to fight the Victorians in 5-10 years' time when they will likely be better armed at Russian hands" and at the same time saying "we will need bureaucratic government agencies and not to fixate on Victorians or Russians killing our officials as the main threat that dictates how we organize them."

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Checking. C'mon, Simon.

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listen to the gm This is one step short of sniping. Stop it.

And this is wrong.

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Huh. I was here for the daunting but worthy goal of restoring the United States, since both the book and the quest have been a huge demonstration of however much you may dislike the US or historical sins it may have committed, its absence is far worse. Russia or China are just as able to be world-dominators, and far nastier in their rule.

I want to restore one country, not 100. (Well, maybe two, if we can help Canada back to life as well.) I've never looked at any Revivalist goal as 'exactly restore the USA as it was in 2020!', more as 'restore a civilized, better (more social, egalitarian, and counter-capitalist) nation than what fell to Russian plots and rightwing madness like the Victorians'. Not a patchwork HRE-imitation that would be a weak, disunited blob of mutual petty bickering just waiting for an outside, more organized country to kick it in again. I don't want to restore the Articles of Confederation or the EU of North America.

Respecting the sovereignty of other nations is a lofty ideal, but FFS, most of the 'other nations' in question in this quest are bandit kingdoms and petty dictatorships built on the bones of a country that is still in living memory. I'm not terribly interested in respecting the sovereignty of the Generalissimo of the Holy Volk, or the mindlessly feuding, Victorian-liking clan chiefs of the Dakotas, especially when their people are visibly far worse off than they were just a couple decades ago as American Citizens. Hell, many of them are old enough to still be such. We do no one any favors but the Victorians by leaving the Garden as they established it, for example.

 

[Strypgia]

Well, no one's going to stop you for sharing your thoughts to all and sundry.

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slightly delayed
This debate went on so long and so heatedly it disturbed the QM. Next time, just let it go, or take it to PMs, not in the thread. On review, and with consultation of the QM, Ugolino is getting a 3 day threadban. Simon Jester has already been warned.

Everyone play nice. The QM has me on speed dial.

 

[Strypgia]

the qm said stop.
I take one night off...

A bunch of people are not getting long bans from the thread only because I'm on my phone and have little time at this hour. The QM said to stop. That should have been the end of it. A lot of posts are now gone. Do not restart this.

 

[Skippy]

alert: remember to take a break, and keep things friendly
Hey, just as a general heads up, I've been monitoring the discussion here over the last few pages, and it seems to have gotten mightily heated. I realise that Quests can be emotive, especially when we've gotten invested in them, but let's remember that this is a game with friends, and try to take a step back. Often, I find it is a good idea to take half an hour away from the computer - making a nice pot of tea - and whatever I was annoyed about always seems a lot less bad when I return.

Thanks for your time everyone.

There are now two small issues I'll attend to briefly.

A neo-nazi plot inside the US military was stopped.
key comments:
Edward Jones IIfor 14 minutter siden
..."Rapewaffen"... There was a neo-nazi group who called themselves ... "Rapewaffen"...
Minerva Lynchfor 54 minutter siden
It's not just right wing groups that infiltrate the armed forces. Gangs send members into the military specifically to gain knowledge and tactics. It doesn't matter which political ideology or affiliation joins to do this, it hurts everyone in the end and the military can only do so much to weed them out.

the CMC is real get your tinfoli

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violation of thread policy
This is in clear violation of the thread policy which you can see in the stickied post at the top of the forum. This kind of posting serves only to derail and inflame the discussion. As a result, I have no choice but to infract you under Rule 4, and threadban you for three days.

Please don't do this again. Thanks for your time.

Oh. The murderer's spawn arrives. A fascist with a prettier face who may well end up keeping Russia intact as the "reluctant successor", who's already had a track record of propping up his reign and "normalizing" the Russian occupation and "domestication" of its victims.

Frankly, in terms of personal preference, I'd much rather send her back in pieces as a down payment on repayment for her regime's actions.

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this is not okay
Please do not post these sort of revenge fantasies about maiming, executing, or otherwise doing harm to fictional characters, solely because of hatred or dislike of them. This is a mild breach of Rule 2, but more generally, this sort of thing just rarely leads anywhere good or happy. Take a deep breath and remember that it is game for fun on the internet.

You have been given a Staff Notice, as well as a three-day threadban from this Quest. Please let's avoid this in the future. Thanks for your time.

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note: quest threadban issued
By GM request, @Ugolino has now been banned from the quest.