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Suddenly tempted to write a little omake several years in the future with a budding group of Kira's Force Sensitive Investigators but my knowledge and creativity for Star Wars is... very poor lol
 
Fencer said:
"I don't understand though, Why would the Force be so… interested in a new Force sect that is years, decades really from having any kind of real impact? It's nothing more than one woman's dream at the moment."
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Because it's a good dream, Obi-Wan, one that is well intentioned, humble, and likely to improve the lives of many.

Why would the Force, so often described as a living thing formed of life, not rejoice in that?


Also, define 'real impact'. Because even if that new Force sect only helps 1 person in its entire existence, that impact is no less real to that person. Please do not so easily dismiss the work of those whose reach is short; much greatness is achieved one small step at a time.
 
inbred martian said:
I've always subscribed to the thought that the force likes having more people able to play around with it because the more people able to use it the more stories and beings it gets to watch like a holo drama. With the light and dark side being massive fanboys who only care about their specific peoples plot lines and don't care if they end the others in the process of enjoying/protecting their own
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Also, the Force likes helping people. Someone getting access to it and deciding to go help people is exactly what it wants
 
Fencer said:
"I don't understand though, Why would the Force be so… interested in a new Force sect that is years, decades really from having any kind of real impact? It's nothing more than one woman's dream at the moment."
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"....You do realize the force isn't bound by time right? It actively gives us force visions of the future and warning of attacks that do not happen yet. What makes you think that woman's dream stayed a dream?"
 
I would love to see the implications of this explored

of what it means to a Jedi that for all he has tried to do the right thing, promote the greatest good, and follow the will of the force that no decision he has made or cause he has championed has ever received even a tenth of that level of outright approval from the force.
 
Lycanthromancer said:
It also likes hurting people, else the whole Sith + Empire thing would never have happened.
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I don't know enough about SW to say this definitively, but isn't the Force the sum of all living beings, or something along those lines? If so, its proclivity to helping and hurting surely stem from its source itself?

Like, it's not sapient or anything. Or any hint of sapience is kind of an emergent property.
 
Briefvoice said:
Is this heart-warming or should I feel disturbed? I'm not sure force users going around and assigning people personality scores is going to lead to good places. Especially if it's done on an involuntary basis (involuntary on the part of the person being assessed).
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I would say this is meant to be heart warming. The tone of the chapter is meant to be uplifting-Kira knows that it will take years or decades to develop the empathic abilities to properly suss out bad actors, and potentially even longer to teach those skills to other people. She is approaching this with good intentions, and while the road to hell is paved with good intentions, it is not necessarily a bad thing.

Taking a more optimistic view of things, because it would take so long to get the ball rolling on founding this force sect of empaths, they would have years to debate philosophy, set out policies to prevent abuse and wrongful accusations, and test out their methodology.

The potential for abuse and false positives is there, as you think and as John pointed out, but they are known dangers and I am sure that Kira and her future disciples will work to avoid those pitfalls.
 
It was great to see more of this; I loved the impromptu lesson here and all the interactions were brilliant.

One thing I'm curious about is what you might be using here; for example, while it would certainly be interesting to consider for perspective, I'm pretty sure this version of Obi-Wan wasn't involved with Melida/Daan.

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Also, while doing a reread, I looked up the Sith Code and was reminded that it's more than just the opening six lines

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DtYmopzcYg

It's certainly something I could both see John dissecting on video or avoiding because the Sith specifically draws certain kind of people in
 
"Peace Is A Lie, There Is Only Passion.
Through Passion I Gain Strength.
Through Strength I Gain Power.
Through Power I Gain Victory.
Through Victory My Chains Are Broken.
The Force Shall Set Me Free.
There Is No Peace, There Is Anger.
There Is No Fear, There Is Power.
There Is No Death, There Is Immortality.
There Is No Weakness, There Is The Dark Side.
I Am The Heart Of The Darkness.
I Know No Fear.
I Instill Fear In My Enemies.
I Am The Destroyer Of Worlds.
I Feel The Power Of The Dark Side.
I Am The Fire Of Hate.
All The Universe Bows Before Me.
I Pledge Myself To The Darkness.
I Have Found True Life In The Death Of The Light.
I Know The True Power Of The Dark Side.
I AM SITH."

-THE SITH CODE.
 
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That gets really dark really fast. That said I don't think that someone who follows the first 6 lines will inherently be a bad person, rather I feel that it's rather empowering. It doesn't define what strength, power, and victory are and so you can bend it to however you as a person look at things. I feel those who are oppressed would love this as those lines are basically about taking your fate into your own hands and forging a path to where you desire.
 
That is the problem with any type of incomplete information, especially if it is a Doctrine. The very start may sound appealing and even reasonable, but as that is the stuff people will first encounter, it does act as a form of bait for the more negative doctrines. Never try to follow a Doctrine without first having had a chance to properly study and analyze it, least you end up trapped in something you abhor.
 
Lycanthromancer said:
It also likes hurting people, else the whole Sith + Empire thing would never have happened.
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Honestly, I don't believe so. It likes helping but the Sith, and other dark siders, simply use that help to hurt others. Heck, it's not like Jedi don't do it too!

Silvris said:
That is the problem with any type of incomplete information, especially if it is a Doctrine. The very start may sound appealing and even reasonable, but as that is the stuff people will first encounter, it does act as a form of bait for the more negative doctrines. Never try to follow a Doctrine without first having had a chance to properly study and analyze it, least you end up trapped in something you abhor.
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i think the big problem is how absolute it is.
The "through passion i gain strength" parts are fine but the "there is no peace" is idiotic and its Denial of Reality is ultimately self-defeating (note that the Jedi code is NOT better in that aspect).
Which is why the Grey jedi code and the old Code (the "Emotion, yet peace" code) are simply better, and have such an attraction to SW fans even though they are pretty obscure pieces of the Lore.
 
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Lycanthromancer said:
"Peace Is A Lie, There Is Only Passion.
Through Passion I Gain Strength.
Through Strength I Gain Power.
Through Power I Gain Victory.
Through Victory My Chains Are Broken.
The Force Shall Set Me Free.
There Is No Peace, There Is Anger.
There Is No Fear, There Is Power.
There Is No Death, There Is Immortality.
There Is No Weakness, There Is The Dark Side.
I Am The Heart Of The Darkness.
I Know No Fear.
I Instill Fear In My Enemies.
I Am The Destroyer Of Worlds.
I Feel The Power Of The Dark Side.
I Am The Fire Of Hate.
All The Universe Bows Before Me.
I Pledge Myself To The Darkness.
I Have Found True Life In The Death Of The Light.
I Know The True Power Of The Dark Side.
I AM SITH."

-THE SITH CODE.
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How sharp do you like your edge lord?
 
The Richmaster said:
It was great to see more of this; I loved the impromptu lesson here and all the interactions were brilliant.

One thing I'm curious about is what you might be using here; for example, while it would certainly be interesting to consider for perspective, I'm pretty sure this version of Obi-Wan wasn't involved with Melida/Daan.

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Also, while doing a reread, I looked up the Sith Code and was reminded that it's more than just the opening six lines

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DtYmopzcYg

It's certainly something I could both see John dissecting on video or avoiding because the Sith specifically draws certain kind of people in
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a bit of Googling has that be said to be the code of Darth Bane, not the other branches of the sith.
so maybe he got the code and added more to it to be an edgelord?
 
"Peace is a lie. There is only Passion.
Through Passion, I gain Strength.
Through Strength, I gain Power.
Through Power, I gain Victory.
Through Victory my chains are Broken."
"And then, you shall be broken" - Kreia

Honestly, while it might SOUND reasonable. Well, the Sith, by their nature takes it to self-destructive levels, because well...
What EXACTLY, are the chains referenced here? There is a reason that is never specified, and a reason the video ending with that one Kreia quote put here fits so well.
 
Themarineguy said:
What EXACTLY, are the chains referenced here?
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I don't know what the official answer to this question is, however, my personal take on it is that the chains referenced here are the chains of self control and morality. The reason for that is that the Sith seem to view morality as a matter of group control over the individual, (they are partially right) and the fact that as a social society we maintain control over ourselves to fit into that social construct that is Morality.
 
The 'chains' are the things that hold you back.

Could be fear, could be social censure, could be love, could be morality.

Anything that keeps you from doing what you want, rather than what anything else wants. Anything that keeps you from getting what you want right now.

Even if that thing is the consequences of your own actions. Can't get hugs from your mother anymore if you kill her because she didn't give you a cookie, after all.
 
Lycanthromancer said:
"Peace Is A Lie, There Is Only Passion.
Through Passion I Gain Strength.
Through Strength I Gain Power.
Through Power I Gain Victory.
Through Victory My Chains Are Broken.
The Force Shall Set Me Free.
There Is No Peace, There Is Anger.
There Is No Fear, There Is Power.
There Is No Death, There Is Immortality.
There Is No Weakness, There Is The Dark Side.
I Am The Heart Of The Darkness.
I Know No Fear.
I Instill Fear In My Enemies.
I Am The Destroyer Of Worlds.
I Feel The Power Of The Dark Side.
I Am The Fire Of Hate.
All The Universe Bows Before Me.
I Pledge Myself To The Darkness.
I Have Found True Life In The Death Of The Light.
I Know The True Power Of The Dark Side.
I AM SITH."

-THE SITH CODE.
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Would love to see an episode of them breaking down everything wrong with that code. First few lines aren't too bad, but then it rapidly spirals out of control into madness.

Which is an interesting metaphors actually! When using the dark side it starts reasonable but can quickly spiral out of control and into madness
 
Rajvik_wolfboy said:
I don't know what the official answer to this question is, however, my personal take on it is that the chains referenced here are the chains of self control and morality.
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If you look at Sith Empire most real Sith, as in Darths, have plenty of self control. It's only the rank and file and a few outliers who are very powerful in the Force from the get go who are outright raging monsters without forethought.

Whole Sith Code worked as a pyramid scheme for the Sith Empire - most sith would be young and excitable meat shields and are easy to replace. And then you get Darths who are still absolute assholes but actually know what they are doing and use rank and file sith for their purposes as they are easy to guide in needed direction with minimal prodding.
 
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