I will say this, it is one thing to release an educational video or to teach a class, those are the actions of an educator. It is a completely different thing to give just enough help to prime a person who is at one of the lowest points of there life or to encourage said person to found their own movement, these are the actions of the CIA or a revolutionary. This is the last I will say on this topic.

Moving on from there, I wonder how the groups like the remnants of the Jedi Lords are reacting to this? They are the last Jedi that followed the original code and have actual continuity from the original Republic. They are few and scattered but they exist. Same with Remnants of the Original Empire and the OG Sith. Ones that think the Rule of two is for chumps. I would love to see some reactions from there. Both sides had/have shades of Light and Dark. Made for a very interesting read whenever they came up. Also the Mandolorians groups that had/have force technique's would be very interesting to see.
 
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The way I see it other force sects do exist within the Republic, but it's only the Jedi who have a monopoly on force, power and proselytization. Only way a force sect can have any sort of power is if they are state sanctioned by the system or sector like the Green Jedi and anyone else is a threat to the Republic which needs to be squashed.

However, I do think that even if the Jedi aren't dogmatic Inquisitors trying to gatekeep the Force, that they have to have some sort of enforcement of their monopoly to explain why there aren't any other sects besides a handful of obscure EU ones. Even if we are to believe that being a force sensitive is something akin to 1 in a million, in a galaxy of 100 Quadrillion and entire species who are force sensitive, there should be as many force sects as there are Protestant Churches at the bare minimum, especially during a time when the Jedi are extremely insular and only 10,000. In the books there were plenty of Dark Jedi who popped up on their own without Jedi trauma or Sith training, so there's got to be plenty of self-taught lightsiders who create their own sects? Thus the Jedi gotta be doing something whether through the law or outside to keep them as the only true galactic sect.

Something to keep in mind in your assumptions here is just how difficult recruitment is in this scenario. I mean for the force sensitive species it is relatively easy but for everyone else it becomes a really difficult thing to actually find potential recruits. Because regardless of the exact ratio strong potential force users it is low enough that you need to sort through a LOT of chaff to find the potential recruits. Force sensitivity is not obvious unless you are really strong like Anakin so it requires testing. Imagine your ratio of one in a million is accurate and that you are a recruiter for some force sect and you have to scan a million children to find one potential recruit and just how big of a job that is.

The Jedi have a major advantage here from their official backing. They can have doctors scan for them and when they show up to look for recruits they are a republic official on legitimate business rather than some weirdo who no one ever heard about who wants to go around scanning kids. So the Jedi are far more successful in finding recruits than the other sects are which makes their situation worse still because now they have to find the recruits the Jedi miss further reducing their chances.

And the other sects need those recruits because unless they manage to keep replacing their members the sect dies out. Not with a bang but with a whimper as the last couple of old members become increasingly unable to try and look for recruits to train before they die. That said there are obviously also beneficial factors for other force sects around. First off they may not be following the whole 'no attachments' thing the Jedi have going on so they can have kids and those are probably at least more likely to have force potential. Secondly they have the Force which can probably be used to help find recruits. But in the end time is against them as their situation is fairly precarious a generation or two of bad recruitment or a big disaster may be all it takes to end a small force order.
 
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Except for the Matukai. Which has their whole thing being tightening one's connection to the force, being able to take people with little potential and develop it into something more as part of refining their bodies.
 
Something to keep in mind in your assumptions here is just how difficult recruitment is in this scenario. I mean for the force sensitive species it is relatively easy but for everyone else it becomes a really difficult thing to actually find potential recruits. Because regardless of the exact ratio strong potential force users it is low enough that you need to sort through a LOT of chaff to find the potential recruits. Force sensitivity is not obvious unless you are really strong like Anakin so it requires testing. Imagine your ratio of one in a million is accurate and that you are a recruiter for some force sect and you have to scan a million children to find one potential recruit and just how big of a job that is.

The Jedi have a major advantage here from their official backing. They can have doctors scan for them and when they show up to look for recruits they are a republic official on legitimate business rather than some weirdo who no one ever heard about who wants to go around scanning kids. So the Jedi are far more successful in finding recruits than the other sects are which makes their situation worse still because now they have to find the recruits the Jedi miss further reducing their chances.

And the other sects need those recruits because unless they manage to keep replacing their members the sect dies out. Not with a bang but with a whimper as the last couple of old members become increasingly unable to try and look for recruits to train before they die. That said there are obviously also beneficial factors for other force sects around. First off they may not be following the whole 'no attachments' thing the Jedi have going on so they can have kids and those are probably at least more likely to have force potential. Secondly they have the Force which can probably be used to help find recruits. But in the end time is against them as their situation is fairly precarious a generation or two of bad recruitment or a big disaster may be all it takes to end a small force order.
Adding on to that, the Jedi have a narrow recruitment age that normally cuts off around six years old with legendary exceptions. So if you become actively force sensitive on your seventh birthday, the Jedi don't want you, but they probably know a nearby at least neutral sect of force sensitive they can point to.
 
Adding on to that, the Jedi have a narrow recruitment age that normally cuts off around six years old with legendary exceptions. So if you become actively force sensitive on your seventh birthday, the Jedi don't want you, but they probably know a nearby at least neutral sect of force sensitive they can point to.

The cutoff does make things easier for the other force sects yes. I'm not sure the Jedi would actually recommend another sect generally. But simply the combination of the child/parents knowing they have force potential and being on the lookout for options means they are more likely to end up in another sect.

That said the because of the cutoff the Jedi will logically focus younger children since there is little point to them to test older children. So this scenario may not be all that common.
 
There is no Peace, only Struggle
To struggle against Others, is Violence
To struggle against Fate, is Free-will
To struggle against Self, is Power
The Will to Power, is Freedom
In Freedom, I am at Peace.

Dragon Creed. Paarthunax
 
There is no Peace, only Struggle
To struggle against Others, is Violence
To struggle against Fate, is Free-will
To struggle against Self, is Power
The Will to Power, is Freedom
In Freedom, I am at Peace.

Dragon Creed. Paarthunax

Party Snacks! I didn't know you translated the Way of the Voice into a force creed! Good job man/dragon thing of undetermined gender! (Seriously do Skyrim dragons even have genders? I mean they are all basically shards of Akatoshs soul that he broke off and crafted into the dragons right? So do they have genders or is that not a thing that Akatosh added? Cause in game they all have a male voice soo...)
 
Moving on from there, I wonder how the groups like the remnants of the Jedi Lords are reacting to this? They are the last Jedi that followed the original code and have actual continuity from the original Republic. They are few and scattered but they exist.
The "New Code" that people apparently hate was already in use multiple millennia before the Jedi Lords became a thing. If any remnants of the Jedi Lords, such as the Teepo Paladins, are encountered, they'll probably follow the normal code or more personal adaptations if they follow a Jedi Code.
There is no Peace, only Struggle
To struggle against Others, is Violence
To struggle against Fate, is Free-will
To struggle against Self, is Power
The Will to Power, is Freedom
In Freedom, I am at Peace.

Dragon Creed. Paarthunax
I feel like that this isn't the thread for that.
 
I wonder how the council reacts to this
A lot of denial and likely some of them will start scrambling to send out the Shadows. Either to kill or imprison these Sects. We have seen how one of the Masters is starting to go more for the, "Purge the Heretic" option. If I'm remembering right that master was the one in charge of the Shadows. So we may see a second Schism soon.
 
Oh hey, knew I was forgetting something earlier but it's been a…. It's been a mentally exhausting few days. (Work related nothing to do with you folks) and I totally forgot to say this earlier when the expected, "this is going to go horribly wrong argument came up."

First, double standard. John had one comment, somewhere, that could be interpreted as only being concerned about women being taken advantage off, and I got a run around which I eventually just shrugged and said with that many cultures in the galaxy it's more than fair for some to have similar blindspots to our own. Nothing says Kira's force sect has to only benefit women.

And to further back that point there are I don't even know how many men across America who are bitter and tired because their wives took half or more of everything in the divorce and they're forced to give up a large chunk of their pay check to her in perpetuity. I helped my uncle move out after his divorce and his ex spent a decent chunk my cousin's college fund, then tried to blame it on my uncle. My cousin, said uncles son, despite having two kids with the woman he lives with and a ring finger tattoo, is not married.

There are absolutely guys who would get on board with Kira's Force sects mission.

Which to be totally fair could either balance the group out and keep things on the level, fracture the developing group further, or lead to an entirely different sort of negative splinter group. So take that as you will.
 
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There are absolutely guys who would get on board with Kira's Force sects mission.

Which to be totally fair could either balance the group out and keep things on the level, fracture the developing group further, or lead to an entirely different sort of negative splinter group. So take that as you will.
You know this does allow for some very fascinating Omake ideas. It could be that a few decades from now the sect does fracture into twoish sects. The main sect led by Kira focuses on focusing on their original mission. Allowing for equal protection while the other group goes full Dathomiri Matriarchy. Not fully Darkside but still heavily biased towards one gender. It would be something of an interesting conflict.
 
You know this does allow for some very fascinating Omake ideas. It could be that a few decades from now the sect does fracture into twoish sects. The main sect led by Kira focuses on focusing on their original mission. Allowing for equal protection while the other group goes full Dathomiri Matriarchy. Not fully Darkside but still heavily biased towards one gender. It would be something of an interesting conflict.

"What have you done Beatrice!? You were meant to bring equity to the sexes! Not replace the Patriarchy!"
 
There is no Peace, only Struggle
To struggle against Others, is Violence
To struggle against Fate, is Free-will
To struggle against Self, is Power
The Will to Power, is Freedom
In Freedom, I am at Peace.

Dragon Creed. Paarthunax

This can actually be a good New Sith Creed. Since as ES Dragon each of them struggle in declaring themselves unique in the world.

It's vague while being specific, at what constitutes an action.
 
Something to keep in mind about this theoretical new force sect is that it doesn't start out with much if any authority. Sure they can try to get a read and people and report what they find... But that doesn't mean people will listen. Their founding instructions which are available online are very explicit about how vague and inaccurate this sort of thing can be. So it would take a lot of work to get any actual credibility.
 
Something to keep in mind about this theoretical new force sect is that it doesn't start out with much if any authority. Sure they can try to get a read and people and report what they find... But that doesn't mean people will listen. Their founding instructions which are available online are very explicit about how vague and inaccurate this sort of thing can be. So it would take a lot of work to get any actual credibility.

As silly as the Jedi's laser swords are, the ability to chop anyone in half goes a long way towards being heard.
 
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Think I've said this before, in fact I'm pretty sure there's an authors note addressing it. The canon explanations and definitions of everything Force were stupidly vague in canon, on screen, and when you add on all the extended universe and Disney crap? It's a convoluted contradictory quagmire.

I said fuck it and rewrote the definitions for my own sanity in a way that works with facts we get from canon. Without all of Lucas's off screen commentary.

That's the extent of my opinion. You want my opinion on canon? My opinion is that George Lucas had three movies in which to seed some hard facts but he played up the mysticism angle and he doesn't get to complain about us re-imagining it now. Especially not after letting anyone with a pen add to the EU and selling out to Disney.
 
@Cam.Katarn
Think I've said this before, in fact I'm pretty sure there's an authors note addressing it. The canon explanations and definitions of everything Force were stupidly vague in canon, on screen, and when you add on all the extended universe and Disney crap? It's a convoluted contradictory quagmire.

I said fuck it and rewrote the definitions for my own sanity in a way that works with facts we get from canon. Without all of Lucas's off screen commentary.

That's the extent of my opinion. You want my opinion on canon? My opinion is that George Lucas had three movies in which to seed some hard facts but he played up the mysticism angle and he doesn't get to complain about us re-imagining it now. Especially not after letting anyone with a pen add to the EU and selling out to Disney.

I do like to take the Word of God and Jedi position of 'Light' being the default state and all Dark being a perversion seriously.

As the offical Jedi ideological position.

The position doesn't have to be correct to be interesting, and all the films and EU prove the position hilariously wrong as Anakin 'balances' The Force by cutting Jedi and Sith down to equal numbers, but it does still seem to be what the Jedi actually believe.

It doesn't really contradict anything to have all interpretations be in universe simultaneously.
 
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Especially not after letting anyone with a pen add to the EU and selling out to Disney.
I George's defense for the Disney thing we all ended up regretting most of it. The Clone Wars was a decent show.

I am curious about something though. How do you all think the archeological groups of the galaxy are reacting to this? The sheer curiosity that this is inflaming must be amusing. I do have the adorable idea of a fairly flummoxed Sith ghost being interviewed by an archeologist. Not for power but just for how their society worked. I think many Sith would be intrigued by the novelty.
 
Basically, this is just an AU where the Dark Side isn't, like objectively evil, which is okay, so long as everyone is aware of that fact.
 
I do like to take the Word of God and Jedi position of 'Light' being the default state and all Dark being a perversion seriously.

As the offical Jedi ideological position.

The position doesn't have to be correct to be interesting, and all the films and EU prove the position hilariously wrong as Anakin 'balances' The Force by cutting Jedi and Sith down to equal numbers, but it does still seem to be what the Jedi actually believe.

It doesn't really contradict anything to have all interpretations be in universe simultaneously.
Eh, if you take the original trilogy as the end, Anakin did balance the Force in the end. Palpaltine's dead, he's dead, Luke's the last Jedi but can rebuild and the Sith are finally gone.

Obviously both EU and the last trilogy laughs at that, but so it goes.
 
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