Prince Charon
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On the bright side, the first article does have this paragraph:
So it's absolutely possible that 'magic' is just various ways of ritually or ceremonially accessing the Force.
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FullNothingness
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Eh, you get to decide what is and isn't canon here. You should probably keep the main sources of canon around so the setting stays relatable... But when it comes to obscure bullshit like that ignoring it shouldn't be a problem. After all looking at the totality of works in the Star Wars verse it seems obvious to me that the quality of the various works can be all over the place, and that having consistent worldbuilding was a tertiary concern at best. A fair bit seems more meant to cash in on the franchise...
That said you do have a whole universe to populate so grabbing any interesting bits of canon as needed is a good idea IMO. And as long as it isn't core canon you can probably get away with altering it as needed for your story.
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Jal Shey use Imbue item power which is basically Force enchanting too, making items with powerful effects even non sensitive can use.
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Force Alchemy!
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You can keep canon and still alter things to your liking in a lot of cases.
"Force alchemy. For historians among you, that might conjure up feelings of terror. The practice was used to animate corpses, create monsters, and forge weapons that had a foul will of their own. Today, we're going to talk about the monster part of that.
"The biological aspect of Force alchemy is using the Force to change a living being permanently. That's it. The Sith used it extensively, turning Korriban from a decent enough world to a death planet by filling it with predators. Well, the Sith weren't known for being friendly. But Force alchemy can be used productively.
"A few months ago, for instance, I stopped by Happy Paws Animal Shelter on Chandrila. Here's a photo of Taubi, a long-haired calico glider. Super friendly. They make wonderful indoor pets. Unfortunately, Taubi was born without a float bladder, and that was causing a lot of health issues for her. Jedi healing couldn't create what wasn't there to begin with. A little Force alchemy and she was healthy — ready for physical therapy, at least.
"The Jedi don't appreciate alchemy because it goes against nature. Taubi was naturally born without a float bladder. But calico gliders are a domesticated species. They haven't been 'natural' for thousands of years. Taubi came from a pet mill, from a breeder that didn't care about the risks of birth defects. People caused her problem. And thanks to the Force, people fixed her problem.
"Force alchemy is useful in a lot of types of farming and animal care. But as with all techniques that can alter biology, be careful! Work with a proper lab that can test your changes, and lean heavily on Force guidance. And always get your pets from a rescue or a reputable breeder."
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Regarding Force Alchemy 'Only being dark side', I'd like to remind people of the light side faction that used it to empower armor, and that the Jedi used to use it to make their weapons in the far past. It's all about changing things into other things, so it's clearly not some pure light ability. But there were a few rare examples of it being used for 'good'.
Force Alchemy being Dark Side only in the timeline of this story, I can believe - it's not something that the Temple Jedi would practice, and it was always a nitch thing in Legends. (Besides the one armor faction that is around in this time period? Not sure when they formed, but Vader was involved)
And yea. Magic was a thing in Legends for decades, all the way back to the 70's comic books. Just explain it away as a different way to use the Force, it's the sanest way to handle it.
Force Alchemy being Dark Side only in the timeline of this story, I can believe - it's not something that the Temple Jedi would practice, and it was always a nitch thing in Legends. (Besides the one armor faction that is around in this time period? Not sure when they formed, but Vader was involved)
And yea. Magic was a thing in Legends for decades, all the way back to the 70's comic books. Just explain it away as a different way to use the Force, it's the sanest way to handle it.
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Some Force techniques are only labeled dark because the Sith did it first and as a result the main Jedi Order rejected it, like Mechu-deru for example.
Heck, Electric Judgment proves that traditionally dark/sith force techniques can be expressed in lightside manners since judgement is clearly just more colorful sith lightning.
I can totally see mechu-deru being used by lightsiders easily, but tradition holds idea back the same way the Jedi rejected the Iron Knights.
Heck, Electric Judgment proves that traditionally dark/sith force techniques can be expressed in lightside manners since judgement is clearly just more colorful sith lightning.
I always thought Anakin would have been a perfect example to have a main movie character use that Technomantic skill. Sadly never happened outside some side stories. Maybe.
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he did use a droid to repair his arm, and build a space ship.
but yeah, lots of potential.
wonder if it could be considered a limited version of the Lego Force Builders?
since they are from a canon adjacent series?
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I see it as Jedi using mechu-deru but being in complete denial about it.
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Well, he is at the very least proficient enough to do stuff like this.
FullNothingness
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Eh, IC the logical thing would be to spread out the questions over multiple videos if it gets too long. I mean I'm not sure that would make for good story telling but overdoing things is also a risk. So you'll want to consider what you want to do...
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Could release it in parts if that helps.
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I mean… I could? But also meh? I'm not sick of writing it or anything I'm just kind of slack jawed at how fast it's adding up. And with how it's naturally bouncing around I don't feel like I'm harping on anything either. Once it's done I'll see what @Functionality thinks when I pass it on for beta reading.
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I get that feeling. And if you want an extra beta to help out I am happy to volunteer.
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There is actually a quantifiable difference between Electric Judgement and Force Lightning; Electric Judgement is pure electricity and has no kinetic component. Force Lightning strikes with a physical force that can hurl people around the room, Electric Judgement only stuns or electrocutes people. Extended exposure to Force Lightning also causes permanent long-term degenerative effects, ranging from Palpy's rather severe case of Sith face to physical crippling and calcification of the skeleton.
It's clear that the two techniques are very similar in nature, but there does seem to be a measurable difference between the two, which is presumably related to the exact method by which one uses the Force.
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Quite possible, but again it's difficult to do so. A lot of people are defending it, but Force Alchemy is still a technique that leans a lot to the darkside, especially when used for it's Biomancy. It's part of the reason that Force Alchemy is known as Sith Alchemy instead. While it can be used for good, the act of using Force Alchemy itself is one of the darkside. The Je'daii did use it, but it was highly controversial even then and a lot of the Light-side leaners of the time were constantly denouncing it since using Force Alchemy goes (apparently/supposedly) against the Will of the Natural Force, and was supposedly one of the arts you needed to practice strict balance and restraint in, less you fuck up massively.
Yes but that's Vader being Vader and using Dark Side stuff to be Vader.
I was wanting Anakin to be using techno-force abilities on the starships he flew, 'mind control' robots from a distance, stuff like that.
But that stuff isn't as cool as 'laser sword goes BZZZZ'.
I would argue that the 'Sith Alchemy' part is when it's used on living things. I was arguing for the use of it on non-living objects like how every force user once made their weapons (pre-lightsaber era).
But yea, even then I accept that in the OP's time period, alchemy is almost exclusively Darkside stuff.
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Yes but that's Vader being Vader and using Dark Side stuff to be Vader.
I was wanting Anakin to be using techno-force abilities on the starships he flew, 'mind control' robots from a distance, stuff like that.
But that stuff isn't as cool as 'laser sword goes BZZZZ'.
Alchemy aside, I do agree. Mecha-Deru is an awesome force power, tainted by the fact the Sith discovered it first and turned off most of the Jedi to it. We know from stuff like the Saber-Blaster that before the Battle of Ruusan that the Jedi could be absolutely kickass armor and weaponsmiths even without Force Alchemy, but after that they closed off and became somewhat anachronistic in regards to technology and droids.
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There was a minor schism in the Order once over Jedi using blasters and other munitions instead of relying solely on their sabers. They were censured by the Council and broke away to form Teepo's Paladins, then later became the Gray Paladins.
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Legends is a clusterfuck and Disney was right to de-canonize it.
There. I said it.
There. I said it.
There were definitely some uneven parts that deserved to be cut, but for the most part Legends was great all the way into the Yuuzhan-Vong era. What Disney did was just cast aside a bunch of good material in favor of taking a dump on all the original characters.
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Your right. They just then chose to ignore every decent idea from legends and toss a bunch of the worst bits into their movies one after another while simultaneously making it all worse somehow.
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My opinion as well. I said it before, I'll say it again, Disney trilogy is Star Wars, but from Wish. Or Skim Beeble, but that would at least be fun in a twisted way. Also, they need to follow the Evil Overlord List and have a kid to run the script through. Product quality could only improve for those three particular movies.
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