Prince Charon
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<Vorlon voice>Yes.</Vorlon voice>
Really, this could go wrong and right in so many ways. If the Force's goal is to see people do interesting things with the power it allows them, this could certainly do that.
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Really, this could go wrong and right in so many ways. If the Force's goal is to see people do interesting things with the power it allows them, this could certainly do that.
I prefer this one (the Jedaii code)
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no fear, there is power.
I am the heart of the Force.
I am the revealing fire of light.
I am the mystery of darkness.
In balance with chaos and harmony,
Immortal in the Force.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no fear, there is power.
I am the heart of the Force.
I am the revealing fire of light.
I am the mystery of darkness.
In balance with chaos and harmony,
Immortal in the Force.
With all the talk about the Sith code maybe a stop on Tund to visit the last known remaining settlements of the Sith species would be an interesting idea? Although, The Sorcerers follow a different philosophy of the force then the standard dark/light dichotomy with their "Unity," so anything learned about them there might have little to do with the Dark-Jedi-influenced standard ancient Sith Empire code or the Banite code.
Actually how old is the Sith Code (the first six lines, given the rest was added by Darth Bane)? Did it predate the 12 Jen'jidai(the Jedi Exiles) and/or draw from Ancient red-sith philosophy, or was it a pure creation of the Exiles and/or later Darths based on their own ideas of the force?
Actually how old is the Sith Code (the first six lines, given the rest was added by Darth Bane)? Did it predate the 12 Jen'jidai(the Jedi Exiles) and/or draw from Ancient red-sith philosophy, or was it a pure creation of the Exiles and/or later Darths based on their own ideas of the force?
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Sith Code was codified by Sorzus Syn one of the 12 Jen'jidai(the Jedi Exiles) after observing the lifestyle of the Sith Purebloods.
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This is why I view Light and Dark as Yin and Yang, not Good and Evil.
Life isn't nice. The natural world is an unending war zone where most living things end up dying violently and being consumed by something bigger and nastier.
The Dark Side is the manifestation of that side of life. Of nature, red in tooth and claw.
People just tend to forget that, sometimes, the claws need to come out.
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Lycanthromancer
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Less so in this story, since the Dark Side is emotion-based -- any emotion, even "positive" ones -- and the Light Side is the opposite.
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To be fair, fighting for your life is definitely an emotional experience so that's certainly an aspect of it here.
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Wouldn't that basically force (or Force, haha!) one to use the Dark Side? At least a little?
No.
Because the 'Light' side of the Force and the 'Dark' side of the Force are about how you deliberately handle your emotions in relation to the Force.
Dark side Force use tends to deliberately pour emotions into Force to then use them to pull them back in in an escalating feed back loop that results in both greater power and greater strength of the emotions involved. Someone who pours in a little hate and draws in the Force through that gets a more powerful Force effect, certainly, but they also become much more hateful than they were before. The Light side tries to pull on the Force clear of emotions, which, while strictly speaking generally resulting in less raw power, grants much greater clarity of the Force and everything that comes from having a clear connection to the Force, like unclouded, sound decision making, improved ability to read a situation, room or opponent, and so on.
Because the 'Light' side of the Force and the 'Dark' side of the Force are about how you deliberately handle your emotions in relation to the Force.
Dark side Force use tends to deliberately pour emotions into Force to then use them to pull them back in in an escalating feed back loop that results in both greater power and greater strength of the emotions involved. Someone who pours in a little hate and draws in the Force through that gets a more powerful Force effect, certainly, but they also become much more hateful than they were before. The Light side tries to pull on the Force clear of emotions, which, while strictly speaking generally resulting in less raw power, grants much greater clarity of the Force and everything that comes from having a clear connection to the Force, like unclouded, sound decision making, improved ability to read a situation, room or opponent, and so on.
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I would like to point out that this is going to be interesting on the political side as well, both for the Jedi and the greater Republic.
For the Jedi they are going to run into the fact that their "allies" are going to see a marked increase in new blood. Something that would threaten their monopoly on recruits. It would also be interesting to see the other sects denying Jedi in some form. Plo Koon is technically a part of his planets Force Order but I could see them starting to cut him out.
For the Republic though these old and new sects run into the fact that The Jedi are technically the only legal Force Sect allowed. These laws have been around since the reformation of the Republic. It is these laws, plus any new ones, that have allowed the Jedi to strangle their contemporaries. So I can see many sects petitioning for such laws to be repealed. As well as some Jedi becoming very defensive of them.
For the Jedi they are going to run into the fact that their "allies" are going to see a marked increase in new blood. Something that would threaten their monopoly on recruits. It would also be interesting to see the other sects denying Jedi in some form. Plo Koon is technically a part of his planets Force Order but I could see them starting to cut him out.
For the Republic though these old and new sects run into the fact that The Jedi are technically the only legal Force Sect allowed. These laws have been around since the reformation of the Republic. It is these laws, plus any new ones, that have allowed the Jedi to strangle their contemporaries. So I can see many sects petitioning for such laws to be repealed. As well as some Jedi becoming very defensive of them.
Politically, I could see it to be a hot issue among the Jedi. I mean, the politics of these laws are probably going to be untenable, creating tensions at the higher levels because it couldn't be sidestepped like the inability for the Republic to try a Jedi, which led to Ahsoka Tanno being banished from the order to enable the republic's trial, to avoid highlighting that fact.
The17thImmortal
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Sharp enough to slice themselves to ribbons just by breathing, please.
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And some people will doubtlessly fuck it up, and some people will get it right. And the movement will splinter and good and bad will both be done and change will march ever onwards. Society will adapt and change and hopefully keep more of the good than the bad. That's just how it goes.
And the MC is aiding and abetting this group that will go out and ruin lives, carrers, and families. He gave no real instructions, taught someone the absolute basics and then trusted a person that has an understandable but obvious chip on her shoulder how to go out and make assumptions about people's character and thoughts. All the while telling her to trust her instincts and read a persons mood. Then just turned her loose without even pointing her at someone that can help her mentally/emotionally. That is the equivalent of giving a rape victim a 5 minute tutorial on gun safety, handing her a gun, then saying "go out and deal with anyone that could possibly be a rapist out there".
Do you not see the obvious problems here?
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How about we step back away from the hot button RL topic and focus on the Space Wizards dealing with the fact that new Space Wizards are popping up? Like hey @Fencer how are the Jedi reacting to all these new groups? As my previous post did point out they are technically the only legal Force Sect allowed by the Republic.
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Not only legal Force Sect. IIRC every Force Sect is legal except the Sith under the Republic's Religious Tolerence laws. The Jedi are the only ones publicly funded by the Senate.
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Actually, even the Sith are technically legal under the Religious Laws of the Republic. This is something that the Jedi really messed up with in Episode 3. They really had no true evidence that Palpatine was the Villain. So even if by some miracle they did succeed they still likely would have been purged. As for the Jedi being funded by the Senate, they were also given multiple rights that no other group was allowed. They are legally allowed to take children away from their parents. This does not even account for other such laws that would have seen the decline of a planet's native Force Order.
Despite the Jedi saying that they were friends with the other groups they look down on them. As well as considered them a threat.
Edit: If we are going to use examples of the Jedi privilege one can look at the Episode where Cad Bane masqueraded as a Jedi. When he is interacting with the mother it really seems like she has no choice but to give her child up.
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Don't think so. It's just by that point, the Jedi just completely failed in actually conveying the situation.
"He's Sith He's totally Evil"
"Yeah right. Just an excuse to off someone you don't like?"
They really FAILED in actually doing anything but give palps the perfect excuse to kill them.
Cause well, the Sith in particular, had a long history as enemies of the republic. It's just, by this point the Sith had been gone so long that the law didn't actually mean much by that point.
You are correct, I should not have gotten heated, this one pushed some buttons and I should have framed my thoughts/arguments in a different manner.
I forget, is this the Disney hot mess or the Legends verse? There would be a lot of groups coming out of the woodwork if it was legends and that would be great to see. I would love to see a lot of the old, old groups get they recognition that they should have. If this is the Disney verse it will be interesting but I'm not sure who is "cannon" any more.
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I believe that this is Legends with some Cherry Pickings of Disney Canon. Though if @Fencer goes full Disney with the other Orders it does bring up an interesting story hook. Did the Jedi really start killing off the competition? That will be something that more than a few people will start to ask. As for the Dark Side Orders, like the Sith, I still say it is better to treat them less like Saturday Morning Villains and more like Bronze Age Civilizations IN SPACE! It adds more depth to them and actually gives a fairly good reason for Why they act the way they do.
Edit: and by this I mean the Actual Sith Empires not the Brotherhoods of Darkness Dark Jedi. Those where the Emo Jedi Cosplayers to the actual Sith. As for the Baneite Line well they see the Force as a Pie.... enough said.
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I'm not going to comment on the legality of different force groups because I do not know beyond the fact several exist in the clone wars show which don't seem to be getting intentionality hunted down by the republic.
John's big moral dilemma is that he knows his teachings will be used for good and ill. He resigned himself to that fact. Weighed the pros and cons, then decided to have faith in the rest of the galaxy and started releasing the videos anyway. It's bot going to be perfect it's not meant to be. But every group forming with the ideal to do good with their abilities or at least no intent to do harm is validation for his choice.
No the group is never going to live up to it's ideal but depending on how they develop they could do a lot of good someday.
It's not a fix fic, it's nor dark and gritty it's all about those many shades of grey
John's big moral dilemma is that he knows his teachings will be used for good and ill. He resigned himself to that fact. Weighed the pros and cons, then decided to have faith in the rest of the galaxy and started releasing the videos anyway. It's bot going to be perfect it's not meant to be. But every group forming with the ideal to do good with their abilities or at least no intent to do harm is validation for his choice.
No the group is never going to live up to it's ideal but depending on how they develop they could do a lot of good someday.
It's not a fix fic, it's nor dark and gritty it's all about those many shades of grey
Counselor Deanna Troi is shaking and crying from how John just roasted her entire career.
NGL I also felt very disturbed when reading it. I know Delia's heart is in the right place and it's a noble goal after the shit she went through, but if I were a normal dude in the galaxy with no force sensitivity and there's this sect that pops up who basically act as the literal morality police whose sole purpose is to point out the bad people and authorities are supposed to believe them without question then I'd be shitting my pants in fear over Big Jedi keeping a totalitarian watch over how someone should love. Even if they do catch a lot of rapists and abusers, this system screams way too much like Minority Report to me where even if there are no hypothetical abusers within the sect, a wrong interpretation can ruin the life of an innocent person. Good intentions, horrible practice.
The way I see it other force sects do exist within the Republic, but it's only the Jedi who have a monopoly on force, power and proselytization. Only way a force sect can have any sort of power is if they are state sanctioned by the system or sector like the Green Jedi and anyone else is a threat to the Republic which needs to be squashed.
However, I do think that even if the Jedi aren't dogmatic Inquisitors trying to gatekeep the Force, that they have to have some sort of enforcement of their monopoly to explain why there aren't any other sects besides a handful of obscure EU ones. Even if we are to believe that being a force sensitive is something akin to 1 in a million, in a galaxy of 100 Quadrillion and entire species who are force sensitive, there should be as many force sects as there are Protestant Churches at the bare minimum, especially during a time when the Jedi are extremely insular and only 10,000. In the books there were plenty of Dark Jedi who popped up on their own without Jedi trauma or Sith training, so there's got to be plenty of self-taught lightsiders who create their own sects? Thus the Jedi gotta be doing something whether through the law or outside to keep them as the only true galactic sect.
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Nope! We dropped that line of thought!
We are not talking about that anymore, we are intentionally avoinding that topic due to it being an IRL hot button topic.