While reading this chapter, I had a thought: Could the Force give incorrect 'danger-sense' results to someone? (e.g. telling a Force-sensitive slaver that the unobstructed escape route is dangerous and the one that the police-or-local-equivalent have already blocked off is safe)

I don't think the force discriminates. Otherwise the dark side wouldn't exist. The force reinforces your own instincts and moral code

The Force gives you (limited) precog, so as long as another force user isn't around, or (in)directly impacted, it works (mostly) fine. Do bear in mind that people also change with time, it's likely that at the beginning of the relationship she would have received no forewarning because there was nothing to warn against, and that the dude developed these tendencies with time (and/or work?)

The Force is, in the pre Disney days, purposely good and is actively attempting to guide people and life in general to a beneficial outcome. The penultimate Sith, the absolute top champions at force fuckery, only managed to restrict the Force enough that the Jedi couldn't receive that guidance. I think its fair to suggest that the Force isn't going to be suggesting bad outcomes to people.
 
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The Force is, in the pre Disney days, purposely good and is actively attempting to guide people and life in general to a beneficial outcome. The penultimate Sith, the absolute top champions at force fuckery, only managed to restrict the Force enough that the Jedi couldn't receive that guidance. I think its fair to suggest that the Force isn't going to be suggesting bad outcomes to people.
The force, in the pre-disney days allowed palpatine to manipulate the entire galaxy into a war that completely blinded the jedi and led to their wholesale slaughter. It sure doesn't sound like decades of the empire slaughtering or indoctrinating force-sensitives wherever they can be found counts as a "Beneficial outcome" Unless you meant "beneficial to their outlook" in which case, that's what I meant. You get out of the force what you put in.
 
The force, in the pre-disney days allowed palpatine to manipulate the entire galaxy into a war that completely blinded the jedi and led to their wholesale slaughter. It sure doesn't sound like decades of the empire slaughtering or indoctrinating force-sensitives wherever they can be found counts as a "Beneficial outcome" Unless you meant "beneficial to their outlook" in which case, that's what I meant. You get out of the force what you put in.

Pre-Disney also had the Yuuzhan Vong threatened the galaxy. Without the Empire there to militarize the galaxy, most life forms would have been exterminated. The Force could have seen this as a necessary evil.
 
While reading this chapter, I had a thought: Could the Force give incorrect 'danger-sense' results to someone? (e.g. telling a Force-sensitive slaver that the unobstructed escape route is dangerous and the one that the police-or-local-equivalent have already blocked off is safe)

I'm in a starwars RP right now so I've done a lot of reading.
Short Answer: Could it, yes, would it, no?

Long Answer: The force is some degree of intelligent and has a mind and will of it's own. What that means is that anything capable of being done with the force, the force could theoretically just do on it's own. It doesn't seem to operate on it's own but who knows how many minor miracles or tiny nudges might have saved the galaxy?
So could the force lie to you? Absolutely. Would it?

You probably aren't important enough that it's paying active attention to you rather than some incredibly broad auto pilot. Hell, given the size of the universe and who unknowable the "mind" of an energy field is? Who fucking knows.

There is actually incredibly limited information on the force itself outside of what it can do.

The Force is, in the pre Disney days, purposely good and is actively attempting to guide people and life in general to a beneficial outcome. The penultimate Sith, the absolute top champions at force fuckery, only managed to restrict the Force enough that the Jedi couldn't receive that guidance. I think its fair to suggest that the Force isn't going to be suggesting bad outcomes to people.
It seems like people are missing the point of my question. My question was intended to be along the line of 'can the Force give someone incorrect results if them acting on those incorrect results would be better for the galaxy as a whole', hence my example of the Force deceiving a slaver into being captured
 
Alsoo, depending on how much weight is put on the words of George Lucas, well...

I think I remember he mentioned something about cycles.


It seems like people are missing the point of my question. My question was intended to be along the line of 'can the Force give someone incorrect results if them acting on those incorrect results would be better for the galaxy as a whole', hence my example of the Force deceiving a slaver into being captured
...And there is also the for the greater good angle.
 
It seems like people are missing the point of my question. My question was intended to be along the line of 'can the Force give someone incorrect results if them acting on those incorrect results would be better for the galaxy as a whole', hence my example of the Force deceiving a slaver into being captured
The closest is Zayne Carrick whom the Force humiliates and discomforts for the optimal outcome.
 
The force, in the pre-disney days allowed palpatine to manipulate the entire galaxy into a war that completely blinded the jedi and led to their wholesale slaughter. It sure doesn't sound like decades of the empire slaughtering or indoctrinating force-sensitives wherever they can be found counts as a "Beneficial outcome" Unless you meant "beneficial to their outlook" in which case, that's what I meant. You get out of the force what you put in.

Allowed? The whole point of being a Sith is pure selfishness and overriding the Force to do what you want. Thats why they were the baddies.

Pre-Disney also had the Yuuzhan Vong threatened the galaxy. Without the Empire there to militarize the galaxy, most life forms would have been exterminated. The Force could have seen this as a necessary evil.

Yea...Disney isn't the only company that gave into the urge to make an idiotic cash grab. The whole shitty Vong storyline was why I quit reading the EU and why I tend to stick to the movies and maybe the old D6 RPG supplements when talking about Star Wars.

It seems like people are missing the point of my question. My question was intended to be along the line of 'can the Force give someone incorrect results if them acting on those incorrect results would be better for the galaxy as a whole', hence my example of the Force deceiving a slaver into being captured

Ahhh...probably not. If you have someone doing selfish act its more likely to try and warn them against such behavior instead purposely betraying them. More Jiminy Cricket or shoulder angel, less puppet master. The slaver is part of the Force and it cares for him, but the Force also cares for the slaves and the cops tracking them. It may help hint the cops into catching the slaver, but the slaver would probably just feel increased guilt and discomfort in hurting the slaves. But we all know how good people are at ignoring the feelings...
 
Ahhh...probably not. If you have someone doing selfish act its more likely to try and warn them against such behavior instead purposely betraying them. More Jiminy Cricket or shoulder angel, less puppet master. The slaver is part of the Force and it cares for him, but the Force also cares for the slaves and the cops tracking them. It may help hint the cops into catching the slaver, but the slaver would probably just feel increased guilt and discomfort in hurting the slaves. But we all know how good people are at ignoring the feelings...
Would be funny if a group of criminals tries to "upgrade" by training its own people to feel and use the force, only to crumble over time because same members don't feel happy anymore participating in the crimes. :D
 
It seems like people are missing the point of my question. My question was intended to be along the line of 'can the Force give someone incorrect results if them acting on those incorrect results would be better for the galaxy as a whole', hence my example of the Force deceiving a slaver into being captured

And I answered, physically it could, but for a variety of reasons it *wouldn't*
 
As mentioned, the Corellia thing being typoed everywhere, kinda amusing. Good chapter otherwise.

As for Lizzie, that's twice this week I've seen her brought up, one a cyberpunk/worm cross, now here.

Then the Vong stuff. Rogue Planet should be about now-ish maybe? It's only a little bit after Phantom Menace if anything from Legends is being added in.
 
I've seen a few gameplay of jedi survivor.

The blaster stance in the game seems to fit John, using the lightsaber like a rapier then using a blaster for dealing long range damage.

Instead of throwing a lightsaber to kill your enemy you just shoot them, this really fits the vibe of a Jedi dropout turned galactic merchant/smuggler.

It also has the added benefit of irritating Obi-wan and other jedi masters.
 
In the Old Republic, during the time of the Galactic Cold War (about 3000 years or so before current events), you had Langus Tuno. A failed padawan, turned conman. He quite often pretended to be a Jedi Master, even having his old Master's lightsaber. But actually fighting, he does with a blaster

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Languss Tuno

Languss "Guss" Tuno is a Mon Calamari companion of the Smuggler recruited at Hoth. Clumsy, both with his words and his actions, it is something of a minor miracle that the con-man Guss Tuno has been able to survive as long as he has. Born to a rather large family on the ocean-world of Dac, Guss...
 
I don't believe the idiot scions started to embrace the dueling scene until after the Empire formed, before that it was just a historical relic of the past that some families kept around.
 
I'm not sure the lightfoils/trashsabres are capable of loping off limbs, but quality may vary.
However, these post-Cleansing lightfoils were weaker than the authentic or "archaic" lightfoils due to the poor quality focusing crystals used in their manufacture and the relatively low level of craftsmanship compared to Jedi artisans. However, the knockoff lightfoils apparently did not require any connection to the Force to create, and were fully usable by non-Force sensitives.

I treat this as the lightsaber crystals are only fit to remove meat and cybernetics but cannot be used as "can openers" to cut open blast doors like in Episode 1.

I also treat this as Jedi using mechu-deru which they classify as a Dark Side technique to make lightsabers. They're just in denial about it.
 
I treat this as the lightsaber crystals are only fit to remove meat and cybernetics but cannot be used as "can openers" to cut open blast doors like in Episode 1.
'Weaker' is vague enough that we can both be right.

I also treat this as Jedi using mechu-deru which they classify as a Dark Side technique to make lightsabers. They're just in denial about it.
I broadly agree here, though I think they'd probably have some philosophical answer to how the ability is different. It may just be that the Jedi call the ability mechu-deru when it's performed using the Dark Side, and have a different name for doing basically the same thing but not calling on the Dark Side to do it. I also tend to think that the Jedi use non-Dark Side Force Alchemy on their lightsabre crystals and holocrons, but don't use the word 'alchemy' to describe it.
 
I broadly agree here, though I think they'd probably have some philosophical answer to how the ability is different. It may just be that the Jedi call the ability mechu-deru when it's performed using the Dark Side, and have a different name for doing basically the same thing but not calling on the Dark Side to do it. I also tend to think that the Jedi use non-Dark Side Force Alchemy on their lightsabre crystals and holocrons, but don't use the word 'alchemy' to describe it.
Looking on the article, it seems like it may be a case of the Jedi having not delved much into it, while the Sith delved deep and using the technopathy as a foundation of Sith techniques, which later leads to the whole discepline being painted by the same brush, even as certain specialists in the Jedi order still tap into the same general discepline. And Lightsabers and Holocrons considered seperate from the sheer age of those methods.
 
I mean let's ignore that Force artifacts are canonically a thing, that holocrons and lightsabers were made using those techniques, that Jedi used to use it on armor to protect themselves against Sith....


Nope. It's evil dark powers and we can't even talk about using it. Nope!



Sorry, that's been one of the annoying parts from Legends for me, that techno-force skills were taboo.
 
I wonder if This is reproducible?
From how it was made, a master Sith made it as a protection for his son, so it probably is.
But Sith are notoriously bad at preserving their secret techniques, so it would have to be almost pure chance, and the one doing it would have to be capable of both using the Dark side extensively without succumbing to it, and have rediscovered multiple lost arts of Force Alchemy.
 
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