Right, but even then, it's probably much easier nowadays to try and translate and make use of that lost lore and languages.

For example, Champollion figuring out how to translate Egyptian hieroglyphics was probably really useful to anyone with Egyptian artefacts who wasn't old enough to remember when the Egyptian language was still in vogue.

I think you're severely underestimating the value of having a writing system.
  • With all oral traditions, you're limited to what people can reliably remember. The information also has to be in a form that's easy to memorize, such as mnemonic devices.
  • Written information is subject to errors of memory, and can be transported, which makes long range communication much easier.
  • Also, since most people are busy with day to day life, the bulk of historical information in an oral society is going to be remembered by a few select priests/bards/etc. And they can die, or change the information they pass on.
  • It's hard to do scientific research when you have to memorize all the data and can't write it down.

I suspect Pandora might have been trying to create a knockoff version of the Senshi by making youkai designed to guard a particular location.

Wait, I remember Genius Loci or some spirit bound location being an important recurring issue in a side story 1 volume manga of Sailor Moon that focused on Chibi Usa. Besides the broader connotation and cultural reference of Genius Loci.
 
If we conceptualize the Pandora-created gods as being more like super-wizards and less like unstoppable personifications of the forces of nature, it becomes more plausible that with numbers and prep time, they could have been forced to walk small.

Well, considering that the God of Abraham is depicted very differently from someone like say Zeus, it suggests that the meaning of the word god is very different in the two faiths. As such I think it's fine to just exclude the God of Abraham from the gods we have to deal with as they are not the same thing, even if they use the same word.

As such, considering the gods of Egypt to be something more like the Maia of Tolkien's literature might be useful. IE more like Gandalf and Sauron than like Manwe, and certainly nothing like Iluvatar (who would be the equivalent of the God of Abraham).
 
Well, considering that the God of Abraham is depicted very differently from someone like say Zeus, it suggests that the meaning of the word god is very different in the two faiths. As such I think it's fine to just exclude the God of Abraham from the gods we have to deal with as they are not the same thing, even if they use the same word.

As such, considering the gods of Egypt to be something more like the Maia of Tolkien's literature might be useful. IE more like Gandalf and Sauron than like Manwe, and certainly nothing like Iluvatar (who would be the equivalent of the God of Abraham).
I mean, the God of Abraham may also be one or several gods Naru has met. El Shaddai was, historically, tied up with a number of figures: He was one of the chief gods of the Caananite faith, was tied with Ptah of Egypt and a couple big players in Hellenic faiths. Religions leaked... constantly. There were probably both multiple gods contributing to one chimeric legend and some of them were probably working side jobs under other names. And sometimes gods might jack some other god's lore and name for ready made streetcred.

The story you get is going to be garbled to say the least.

I wouldn't rule out a god working their way up to big boy leagues, however, given thousands of years. If a human can cheat, a god can cheat, and... yeah.
 
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Well, considering that the God of Abraham is depicted very differently from someone like say Zeus, it suggests that the meaning of the word god is very different in the two faiths. As such I think it's fine to just exclude the God of Abraham from the gods we have to deal with as they are not the same thing, even if they use the same word.

As such, considering the gods of Egypt to be something more like the Maia of Tolkien's literature might be useful. IE more like Gandalf and Sauron than like Manwe, and certainly nothing like Iluvatar (who would be the equivalent of the God of Abraham).
See, this kind of thing is why people often leave the God of Abraham out of their urban fantasy settings. You can do a lot of different things with Zeus or Odin and nobody has firm opinions on how they work anymore that will get them upset at you.
 
Well, remember that she entered the Galaxy Cauldron holding the dead star seed that became the Silver Crystal. And since the Galaxy Cauldron is lethal to almost everything (including the Final Boss), Queen Serenity was incredibly powerful before the Silver Crystal existed.
That doesn't necessarily mean that she didn't get her power from the Silver Crystal, just that if she did then the Silver Crystal paradoxed itself into existence.
I think you're severely underestimating the value of having a writing system.
I am not. I'm aware of the virtues of writing (she says in writing), but...actually my last post was already all of what I would comfortably describe as my knowledge of the subject. So two quick things, and then I will do my best to drop it.

1. The current threats to oral knowledge bases are less insufficient memorability or a need to travel large distances, and more other people.
2. I think you're making a mistake contextualizing magical knowledge as science when religion is right there. Science has baggage that unfairly docks the oral group points.
 
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Yeah.

You can get a fair amount of mileage out of treating magic as a science (pretty sure that's how Nanoha's setting runs), but it's far from the only way, and may not even be in an abstract sense the best way, to tap into magical power.
 
I think you're making a mistake contextualizing magical knowledge as science when religion is right there. Science has baggage that unfairly docks the oral group points.
We know of at least one spell - Mend - that's explicitly dependent on the user's knowledge of human biology. It would hardly be surprising if there are other's that depend on scientific knowledge* as well.

Especially since most people aren't Senshi and can't instinctively do complex spells on the fly, or have access to vast amounts of power.

*Non-magical scientific knowledge, that is. Magic itself can very much be understood through science, since it's reproducible.
 
Could actually be pretty straightforward:
-Pandora derived entities consume magic/life energy to sustain themselves.
-Worship was one way to channel such energies.
-The Pandora derived entities above a certain potency ceased to exist at some point.
-Magic in general appears to be at a low point for most of modern history, until very recently.

So...wouldn't it make sense that with ambient magic dropping, things just changed such that maintaining worship simply became a net-loss event as the income from worship dropped to nothing?
In which case the gods still hanging around might not be too happy about their worship being displaced, but they can't do anything about it without using up magic reserves they can no longer replenish easily AND they get nothing back but satisfaction because worship doesn't pay like it used to.
 
We know of at least one spell - Mend - that's explicitly dependent on the user's knowledge of human biology. It would hardly be surprising if there are other's that depend on scientific knowledge* as well.
Sure, but there could equally well be other spells where a precise understanding of just what you're trying to accomplish in scientific terms makes it harder, for all we know. Say, luck spells. It's easy to naively say "I want to give luck," but hard do parse out what that actually means in practice in terms that you could give a spell clear, unambiguous directions to accomplish.
 
We know of at least one spell - Mend - that's explicitly dependent on the user's knowledge of human biology. It would hardly be surprising if there are other's that depend on scientific knowledge* as well.

Especially since most people aren't Senshi and can't instinctively do complex spells on the fly, or have access to vast amounts of power.

*Non-magical scientific knowledge, that is. Magic itself can very much be understood through science, since it's reproducible.
Yes, this is a magitech heavy setting, but it's also an old magic setting, and that means "we've always known this" is valid in a way that you might not give it credit for with your brain in "science" gear. That's what I mean by "baggage". Religion is still a sophisticated body of knowledge about how the world works and what to do to cause or avoid certain outcomes, and as far as I know it doesn't get less so if it's not written down.

So the global standard of magical proficiency, absent the more complicated geopolitical worldbuildy bits, should be about level. Stuff like the wheels mentioned in Foreshock which I assume to be some kind of dieselpunk magitech just aren't an option for everyone, and Egypt still has several of its bigger gods, and Russia and America have been peeking at everyone's notes in a way that is also not an option for everyone else, but...

Cologne didn't come from a heavily interconnected society that could provide her with a modern education, she came from a self-isolated tribe that's doing their best not to let China know they're on land it claims. There's probably a lot she doesn't know due to her upbringing, but there's also a lot she does know about the human body that Ami's mom doesn't, mostly to do with where to poke it to make it do weird stuff. Plus she can kick Sailor Moon's ass. There's an aggressively functional knowledge base there, at least by current Earth standards.

Turns out doing my best to drop something is not very good.
 
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On the topic of the survival of the Abrahamic God, the question of his survival could theoretically be easier if we assume the claims of omniscience and omnipotence are even faintly descriptive. The Fade causes all Gods above a certain level of power to disappear, and YHWH could well have figured out that he was too strong to survive. Fortunately for him, the 'Holy Trinity as different manifestations of the same entity' aspect of his existence could have been his ticket to survival. God could still exist, but only in a form with most of his divine power locked away.

The exciting thing about this idea, as players, is that if we fix whatever caused the Fade, we might risk having to deal with a resurgent YHWH with all of his power back. The same goes for any other deities that managed to survive by sealing away their strength.
 
So the global standard of magical proficiency, absent the more complicated geopolitical worldbuildy bits, should be about level. Stuff like the wheels mentioned in Foreshock which I assume to be some kind of dieselpunk magitech just aren't an option for everyone, and Egypt still has several of its bigger gods, and Russia and America have been peeking at everyone's notes in a way that is also not an option for everyone else, but...

Cologne didn't come from a heavily interconnected society that could provide her with a modern education, she came from a self-isolated tribe that's doing their best not to let China know they're on land it claims. There's probably a lot she doesn't know due to her upbringing, but there's also a lot she does know about the human body that Ami's mom doesn't, mostly to do with where to poke it to make it do weird stuff. Plus she can kick Sailor Moon's ass. There's an aggressively functional knowledge base there, at least by current Earth standards.

Turns out doing my best to drop something is not very good.
Aside from the nitpick that we might plausibly be able to hold our own against Cologne now... Well, I bet she still could kick Sailor Moon's ass on good dice rolls, I imagine, so that's actually true enough. :D

With that being said, the Chinese Amazons are probably close to the top of the power curve for 'traditional' societies; if there were a lot of communities like them scattered thickly all over the world, history and geopolitics would be very different.

But groups like them are part of what I was thinking of when I kept bouncing up and down to emphasize that the British magical community probably wasn't in a position to just run around carting away all the magical treasures of every land that Queen Victoria got to plant a flag on. Because when you run into some little village in what is now Kenya that has comparable secrets, or a clan of mages in Burma who have their own carefully guarded tradition, or what have you... Yeah, if all you have to work with is 19th century technology and a very limited pool of magicians, and if you're under a mandate to maintain the Masquerade...

You're not necessarily in a great position to dictate terms unless you bring to bear much more muscle than you can afford to spare just to do a spot of looting.
 
See, this kind of thing is why people often leave the God of Abraham out of their urban fantasy settings. You can do a lot of different things with Zeus or Odin and nobody has firm opinions on how they work anymore that will get them upset at you.

Go the SMT route. He's not here right now cause he's busy asserting his dominance in parallel universes. :V
 
...Hang on a minute.
Following Endymion's advice, the Senshi quickly find the location of the Clock Shop Youma, however... it seems that they aren't the only ones to have found the shop, nor are they the only ones to be less than pleased with it's location.

Bit odd for people naming themselves after the desert to show up in a city full of flowers, but whatever.
So, the Desert Apostles are currently active, but the full roster of Heartcatch Pretty Cures may not be yet. Looking at the wiki, Yuri had been fighting the Desert Apostles before the start of the series, but she had effectively retired after a fight where her fairy companion died saving her life and part of her transformation artifact broke. It's possible that while we are meeting "teens with attitude" today, the actual confrontation will be the Senshi alone mediating a turf war between two malicious factions. And by "mediating", I of course mean "exterminating".
 
That scene where Naru created anti-nobody guards got me thinking.

Naru holds a key to how we can unmask towards people, like Alice, without having to worry about identities our enemies reading their minds.
Maybe we can get her to craft some guardians like her hairpin, but with a specialization inmagical threats to the mind.

We will probably have to tell them what they are dealing with and to take great care their guardians, because ignorance or abuse on the part of their owner can shoot us in the feet.
 
That scene where Naru created anti-nobody guards got me thinking.

Naru holds a key to how we can unmask towards people, like Alice, without having to worry about identities our enemies reading their minds.
Maybe we can get her to craft some guardians like her hairpin, but with a specialization inmagical threats to the mind.

We will probably have to tell them what they are dealing with and to take great care their guardians, because ignorance or abuse on the part of their owner can shoot us in the feet.
Naru doesn't know if her wonderful creation does what she wants it to yet.

Or if making more of them gradually turns her into a dark-skinned elf lady with spider for a lower body, for that matter.
 
Figuring out how to protect at least a small number of people from casual mind-reading is certainly something we need to do soon. The problem is figuring out where to start.
 
We should create a giant magical mind reader detection device and give all the mind readers the option to join or die.
/Imperial Ministry of Onogoro
 
It does bring up an interesting question of exactly how versatile the IMO can be in terms of retaliating against the Senshi. Our new company is the obvious target for infiltration and sabotage, so we may need to start thinking about security measures for our more sensitive operations. This is further compounded by the fact that our building is also our future school, which will presumably involve a lot of strangers showing up without a way to "verify" them. Our super strength and apparent ability to teleport at a moment's notice may deter all but the briefest of "smash and grabs", but I could see a few tricks being implemented now that the Agents are forced to be creative about this:
  • Release some creepy looking, but relatively harmless youkai at a public function, forcing the Senshi to handle the situation while the IMO perform their raid.
  • Impersonate a building inspector and insist on access to all of the rooms.
  • Introduce a seemingly harmless spell to the students that has more subtle side effects that build up over time.
  • Make the building smell like garbage. It's petty, but most "paint-by-numbers" magical defenses don't protect against it.
 
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