In doctrine, probably something like that. In fact, we're not sure yet but it apparently had something to do with two powerful people fighting hard enough to wake Something up.
what makes you guess that?
The idea that fallen angels are the same class of being as regular angels. I'm not saying Michael is still around, but the ones that mostly just hang around singing "holy" over and over might have gotten in under whatever power cutoff the Fade had.
Why assume it was God at all?
1. It being done by God was the assumption/interpretation of the post i reponded to
I meant that that's the story that people would settle on, because God being too powerful for anything to be done to Him without His permission is a foundational assumption of every religion that worships Him. I did not mean to suggest that it is in fact what happened.
I personally read that as being possible interpretation of the people in setting.
it´s your story and I wouldn´t dream of telling you what to write, this is just a request that you are free to disregard if it conflicts with what you have planned, just, as a personal preference (obviously given my own faith) can you not do any bashing an the like?
in that case my answer (the doctrinal assumption that God has judged humanity to have grown enough to look after itself) is still accurate
again, they don´t even need to enforce their faith in any real manner, them just running around, like we have seen in this story so far, chatting with people, is more than enough to make their faith dominant
It's more a case of some authors (not all) preferring to just... remain silent on the matter, neither explicitly denying nor explicitly affirming the existence of the Deity Not Appearing In This Film.
After being translated through several languages, including across two entirely different language families (Hebrew isn't an Indo-European language; Greek, Latin, and English are)... Well, I wouldn't expect it.
It's more that Christianity and Islam have both gotten huge, and have subsumed or actively crushed the worship of many alternative religions, in ways that an active and aware deity would at the very least see as great disrespect and would not appreciate.
The specific "Fade" that we know about occurred long after the rise of Christianity and Islam, and so cannot explain it. The various polytheistic gods created by Pandora may well have been growing weaker over time anyway, but we don't have firm confirmation on that. Except that at some point, there was some kind of big ugly conflict among the Greek gods. This was a struggle for primacy between, I gather, Zeus and Poseidon. That's what resulted in Pandora's own death.
Only if the old gods will consistently leave you alone for not doing what they want.
If their followers are then defeated by the followers of this other dude, then maybe that other dude is more worth following, even if you never actually meet them, especially if those followers are willing to bribe and/or threaten people into following the said never seen dude.again, they don´t even need to enforce their faith in any real manner, them just running around, like we have seen in this story so far, chatting with people, is more than enough to make their faith dominant
That interpretation..... depends very strongly on what you take literal, metaphorical and what you assume is simply hersay and distortion over a couple millennia of retelling.
The bible is all fiction is eh, since certain stuff like the cruzifiction of jesus is a historically accepted fact
True, although this requires the immanent gods (that are around) to be very chill about letting a bunch of randos beat up their followers and twist said followers' arms into saying they, the immanent gods, don't exist.
Add in the whole metaphor business, it being written by fallible humans who added stuff to for propaganda reasons to it mostly likely and hyped certain things up and I would take the OT in general as at most a very rough outer outline for things and even then I would compare that to jesus and if that sounds like it´s ic to him or something someone made up because the egyptians/assyrians etc were very mean to the jewish tribes at the time
Hmmm, staying silent on the matter is pretty much synomyounous with the "he isn´t real solution" imo. And you are right, not the first time i saw it either
no.... no he wasn´t. Jesus however is, by literally all the experts in the fields and we have several non christian sources from the time backing his existence up. Saying he is fictional is.... just irrational given the evidence we have. The extensively discredited jesus myth theory is a conclusion one can only reach through either insufficient knowledge about the facts or severe personal biases about the subject matter.
The question is, was every god real?
I am aware of the wiki page, i have read it, and yes, you can quote possibly thousands of historians over the decades saying Jesus was historical.
with the bible? Certainly not, but the non christian sources we have are enough to confirm that he existed, that he was crucified and that he was baptised by John the Baptist.
i mean, so far the existence of at least the egyptian gods have been confirmed, plus both a norse and japanese diety showed up so far, hardly unreasonable to assume more are out there
While I didn't make it explicit, i'm assuming that at some point people started to fight back against the gods with some success, since otherwise there's no reason for them to have ever stopped ruling at all. At that point, justifying your rebellion against the gods by claiming someone has your back is just a way to make people more confident.
It depends on how much magical muscle there is. Gods can't be everywhere, as seen with the Egyptian gods sitting on their thrones and just telling their humans to look for Naru. A large enough colonial project could give them too many fires to put out, and for anything that they're not willing to let go, you just leave Cu Chulainn chained to his rock, put a fence around it, and call it a reservation. Other possible factors include Egypt pounding down any nails that stand too far out and any angels that made it through the Fade sticking up for their absent God's followers.
That remains an interesting question either way.
Insofar as they did rule over mortals, anyway.
Eh. Personally, I feel like the message of active rebellion would be better, simply because making up a false deity who confers no powers on their worshippers is likely to backfire as a morale stunt.
Hm. That's actually an interesting one.
At that point it doesn't matter whether you have been claiming to have a fanfic god or not, you need to fight Zeus with your own strength. Claiming to have a fanfic god would be useful for the part before you need to actually punch out Zeus. You know, the part where you need to convince a bunch of people to help you punch out Zeus, by promising them that you both are in the right and for sure won't lose.
how though?
Then why are all the gods in hiding? It seems pretty clear to me that someone went and did it, even if I couldn't say how.
Almost all historians are not experts on the subject of middle east around 0BC +/- 100 years.
the fade?
sure, i just still find it weird how you think you know it better than all the experts on the subject matter.
Yeah, but there's backfire potential.
It may well be that the actual power of the Pandora-created gods is considerably less than we might imply. And that a group of well prepared human mages with the right planning and equipment would stand a fighting chance of defeating them or sealing them away.
