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Transposition, or: Ship Happens [Worm/Aoki Hagane no Arpeggio | Arpeggio of Blue Steel]

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V01DRei said:
Also, It's already established that the Shard Taylor uses is connected/derived/copied the Fog systems. It shouldn't have that much of an issue of translating Lisa's powers over to the Mental Model, if it is a total download.
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Taylor physically cannot build a real Mental Model. It'd be a cyborg body.
 
LupineHorror said:
What does Tattletale really contribute that the entire situation feels almost engineered to add Lisa to 'team Taylor'?
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The problem is that whenever Taylor goes full emo or full retard, rarely do we have someone as good for prying her head out of her ass as Lisa.

BungieONI said:
We should just go with Seven of Nine and call it a day :V
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BOO! HISSSS!!!!

I seem to recall Seven of Nine having hollow, sunken cheeks and a jaw built like a brick.
I for one don't find cheekbones and symmetry the only serious criteria for female facial attractiveness. A softer, rounder jawline is also nice, like that person you quoted!
 
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Quietly plugs Plan Metal Gear.

Because there is no situation that cannot be improved by giant robots with nuclear weapons, nanomachine-using Senators from Colorado,or sarcastic robotic wolves.
 
Belthasar said:
I'm not sure what word I would use to describe that sentence, but 'arrogance' is not it. She's clearly trying to convince herself that there's still hope, and given the next paragraph she clearly doesn't actually think that it's going to be that simple.
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At first yes, but if she doesn't look for assistance afterwards it will be. In fact never calling the authorities while she did the initial aid is telling.

A simple phone call might have saved the body.
 
ensou said:
Minimum height for semi-submersible oil rigs is about 15m (there's a very nice paper on it. Yes I actually researched this, did you guys think I wouldn't?) and 50ft is cliff-diving height. Survivable by normal humans, easily. An impact like that would cause her mostly-cauterized wounds to tear a bit and an increase in blood loss but not significantly enough (in my opinion) to cause her to bleed out so fast she'd be guaranteed dead at sea.
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Maybe you've considered this already, but there's a difference between a completely healthy trained/experienced cliff diver entering the water in a controlled manner and a heavily injured individual hitting the water like a sack of potatoes. From 50 ft you're talking about going from about 40 mph(roughly 60kph) to zero in a fraction of a second if you impact poorly (which I'm assuming TT did). That's more than enough to break bones and cause problematic levels of internal bleeding. Now it's not into flat out impossible territory, but it is unlikely enough that I have to raise my eyebrow and chalk it up to Author Fiat. Granted, I'm more than willing to do that, because you tell a damn good story.
 
Viper5delta said:
That's more than enough to break bones and cause problematic levels of internal bleeding. Now it's not into flat out impossible territory, but it is unlikely enough that I have to raise my eyebrow and chalk it up to Author Fiat. Granted, I'm more than willing to do that, because you tell a damn good story.
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Yeah, it's survivable but not enjoyable, with a side of possible/likely injury. In this case her right leg broke on impact from how it was angled underneath her. Not a pretty break either. Multiple fracture points. It's probably still a stretch, but not wholly impossible.

Still, I appreciate the offer of suspense extension of your suspense of disbelief! (I think I got that right. I did not get that right.) :P
 
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globalwarmth said:
At first yes, but if she doesn't look for assistance afterwards it will be. In fact never calling the authorities while she did the initial aid is telling.

A simple phone call might have saved the body.
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I sincerely doubt that, given that everyone was already busy dealing with the bombings and Lisa needed the help immediately. Not a few minutes from now, immediately. Honestly, I'm not convinced that anyone short of Panacea could have really helped at that point.
 
Belthasar said:
I sincerely doubt that, given that everyone was already busy dealing with the bombings and Lisa needed the help immediately. Not a few minutes from now, immediately. Honestly, I'm not convinced that anyone short of Panacea could have really helped at that point.
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Even PanPan would have difficulties, because these injuries are on the same level as what Vicky had and we all know how that went. Plus Taylor noted that Lisa was literally in a state of "I am less than three minutes from total death" and she is in the Boat Graveyard.


In Brockton you are unlikely to get a response at all, that far out. Not calling them right then so she can focus on rendering aid seems to me to be the correct judgement call and actually has very little to do with "arrogance" @globalwarmth. Not talking to them about it later though is a case of teenage stupid.
 
On the subject of Lisa keeping her powers, I'd say it's still possible even with a full upload to digital brain. After all, Dragon has powers in spite of being nothing more than a carefully arranged selection of ones and zeroes.
 
Candesce said:
Panacea doesn't take requests, and also doesn't do brains - and while Lisa's brain is nominally intact, as she is would be cutting it pretty close.

But that's mostly excuses; the bigger issue is that Taylor really isn't good at accepting failures and asking for help, and also, well.

Tattletale's a crook, Taylor knows it, and Taylor's not the most trusting individual at the best of times. She's not going to take the chance that someone else might decide that it'd be better if Tattletale died.
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By not taking requests, Amy means she wont do cosmetic surgery - ie bigger boobs, nose jobs. This is certainly not that, in the same way that removing an inoperable tumor is not cosmetic surgery. She wouldn't ignore somebody bleeding out in front of her because the hospital staff didn't organize the meeting, so theres no reason to assume she wouldn't save Lisa if Taylor brought her in.

As for the no brains thing, this doesn't break her rules. Lisa's brain is almost 100% intact, or else Taylor would probably have given up. Amy would be making a body for the brain to fit into, the same way she would be basically remaking the body of a cancer patient. She doesn't refuse to heal people with stage 4 cancer, there's no reason to assume she wouldn't give Lisa a body.

As for Lisa being a crook, Amy has no idea what Tattletale looks like or what her DNA looks like. There would be no connection made there. Taylor could simply say 'I found her near death and the only thing I could save was her brain HELP!' and she would practically fall over herself trying to do so.

The real problem is that making a new body for Lisa would reveal just how powerful she really is - after all, healing is much different from making an entire body out of meat. Which means that either her true power would get out, or she would be forced to let Lisa die.
 
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Technically, there's nothing between Lisa and a new organic body except Panacea and 75 kilos of organic material. If Ty's brain is intact, then there's valid usable DNA available for any bio-Tinker to rebuild/clone/whatever a new body for her. So it's not such a pearl-clutching moment as every seems to think it is.

As for Lung, he could a few more moments of "You couldn't even kill a little girl properly, you little salamander? How pathetic." to humble him a little.
 
SomeoneCrazy said:
By not taking requests, Amy means she wont do cosmetic surgery
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On what are you basing this position?

Recall that the entire line about Panacea not taking requests, in canon, came from Clockblocker's father's leukemia.

Now, yes, Taylor might be able to leverage her connection to Panacea through Glory Girl the same way Dennis was ultimately able to, but as I said, "Panacea doesn't take requests" is more likely the justification Taylor's going to use for a decision she came to for other reasons. It doesn't have to stand up to reality, only Taylor's own conscience.
 
You guys also do recall that the bank job happened right? The one where Amy was held hostage by Lisa who Amy apparently knocked out? For some reason, I don't think Amy will be all that happy to fix her.
 
Candesce said:
On what are you basing this position?

Recall that the entire line about Panacea not taking requests, in canon, came from Clockblocker's father's leukemia.

Now, yes, Taylor might be able to leverage her connection to Panacea through Glory Girl the same way Dennis was ultimately able to, but as I said, "Panacea doesn't take requests" is more likely the justification Taylor's going to use for a decision she came to for other reasons. It doesn't have to stand up to reality, only Taylor's own conscience.
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Can you find a quote for that, because I can't imagine her actually doing that. She's willing to work herself to near-exhaustion for people, so refusing to heal a person of cancer simply because it was a request that wasn't through the right channels... It would go against everything she believed in.

BungieONI said:
Even PanPan would have difficulties, because these injuries are on the same level as what Vicky had and we all know how that went. Plus Taylor noted that Lisa was literally in a state of "I am less than three minutes from total death" and she is in the Boat Graveyard.
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The difference between Vicky's injuries and this are pretty extreme, mainly because of the surroundings. This is pre-Bank, pre-Leviathan, pre-9. She was nearly insane by the time Vicky was that hurt, and she was so upset because it was Victoria that was hurt that it pushed her over the edge into at least temporary insanity. She was trying to recreate Vicky following her imagination, instead of her DNA, and it lead to her creating a meat monster.
 
So hopefully Taylor can hook up a basic system that will allow her to interact with Tattletale and give Lisa some kind of sensory feedback while she makes her the new body. Although here is a possibility no one has mentioned, what if Taylor makes some kind of VR simulation for Tattletale so that she can act as a mission control or something like that.
 
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