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Transposition, or: Ship Happens [Worm/Aoki Hagane no Arpeggio | Arpeggio of Blue Steel]

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ensou said:
With that in mind, I gathered some the nanomaterial around us and started covering her, trying to stop the blood from leaking out any further. Blood. Right. There was lots, it was just… everywhere.
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some of the nanomaterial

Well, this sure came out of left field. Poor Lisa. Here's hoping Taylor can reconstruct a biological body for her - she seemed to be able to make various biological bits via nanomachines, so it seems plausible - otherwise Lisa's stuck as a head in a jar, only living due to nanomachines fueling it with oxygen and other stuff brains need to continue functioning.
 
Mal-3 said:
Admittedly I kinda hope Lisa's a little more blase about the whole android thing, just to provide some contrast against Taylor's being horribly torn up about it and her preexisting existential angst. I get that the whole ship-of-Theseus problem is one of the bedrock concepts of the story in general but having two characters mutually reinforcing their angst into a tailspin... maybe not the best move?

I dunno, we'll see where it goes.

Also, could I point out that all y'all speculating on which sexy robot Lisa gets to be are a little creepy? She's barely older than Taylor, my dudes. Throttle it back.
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I mean, I picked Raiden because he's not much more than a brain in a jar, and thought it was a good comparison. I mean, yes, he has his hair and upper teeth too, but I figured it was a reasonable comparison to Lisa's situation.
 
I have to hope this ends up being Lisa's brain inside a cyborg body. If she just uploads into a computer then saving the brain was completely pointless.
ensou said:
Designing from the ground up a body for Lisa isn't going to be easy, and it's something Taylor has to do. Propofol can be addictive, and if she takes too long she'll have to choose between that addiction and keeping Lisa in sensory deprivation which can cause people to go insane.
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This tends to support my thought that it's going to be a brain in a life support unit in a robotic body. Propofol isn't addictive to a computer.

So here's hoping that Lisa is super pleased with being a brain in a super-tech cyborg body capable of superhuman feats. Because this story has so much angst in it already that I can't take another person being angsty. I'd certainly be pleased to be a brain in a jar in a Fog-tech body.
 
I kinda this to happen.

Lisa, after waking up and being told what was up.

L: I DIDNT WANT THIS!

T: Look.. Im... sorry. It was the only way to-

L: I WANTED A FOX BODY!

T: Save-Wat?

L: OR AN OCTOPUS BODY, preferably a combo, CAUSE I ALWAYS NEED MORE ARMS.

T: TAYLOR.RELENTLESS.EXE Has stop woking. Restart? Y/N
 
Firefinder12-B said:
I kinda this to happen.

Lisa, after waking up and being told what was up.

L: I DIDNT WANT THIS!

T: Look.. Im... sorry. It was the only way to-

L: I WANTED A FOX BODY!

T: Save-Wat?

L: OR AN OCTOPUS BODY, preferably a combo, CAUSE I ALWAYS NEED MORE ARMS.

T: TAYLOR.RELENTLESS.EXE Has stop woking. Restart? Y/N
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QA: *helpless giggles*
 
Whatever happens, the next time we see Lisa, this needs to be the background music:


Also, put me down on Fog!Lisa becoming a thing. Taylor has already subconsciously begun to want a fleet with her. I can see that feeding into the decision making process. Lisa as a cruiser, perhaps? Until the latter half of WWII, cruisers were often used as the advance and heavy screening elements for the main fleet. They were good at intel-gathering while being punchy enough to be able to fight anything they couldn't outrun.
 
E M Berner said:
Yea, I'm sorry, I just have to point out. There never has been and never will be a classification called 5th degree burns. The 4th degree for burns are when the skin, flesh, muscles, nerves or bone that this label is applied to is dead and you are going to have to amputate or debride.

What would the fifth degree then actually do, except sound more severe/cool in fanfiction. After your flesh is cocked and dead do you care if it's also carbonised?

Edit: Ok, checked again. There are classification systems (not international standard as far as I can tell) that have 5th and 6th degree burns... they seem to simply divide the 4th degree burns into different depths. If the skin is dead it's 3rd, if the flesh under that is dead it's 4th, if the muscles are dead it's 5th and if the bone is dead it's 6th. Amputation is really the only treatment for anything above 3rd degree so I don't know what these extra levels are for, 4th degree anywhere but on a limb is lethal so...??? Or have I misunderstood?
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ensou said:
The amount of abuse the human body can take before it's absolutely, guaranteed to be unrecoverable (forgoing brain or spinal injuries) is ridiculous from a biological standpoint. The primary reason major injuries kill without treatment isn't the injuries themselves, but the complications that arise from them such as infection, sepsis, gangrene, etc.
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Medical professional here to weigh in on the subject, and to make that suspension of disbelief a little easier to swallow.

First off, human beings? For as fragile as media likes to depict us being, especially pick-an-action-flick-go-on-I'll-wait, we as a species are quite frankly, stupidly durable in a lot of ways that inspire disbelief when you take the time to think about it. When it comes to violence especially, like a certain parrot once famously said, you'd be surprised what you can live through.

The human body has some quite fascinating mechanisms to facilitate survival in extraordinary circumstances, even without outside intervention. You're bleeding? Not only do you start producing clotting agents, your blood vessels in the affected area will actually contract to further slow blood loss.

Starving to death? Not a problem, because you have fat stores, and if they run out, then your body starts cannibalizing non-essential areas.. which honestly is pretty much anything that's not the brain and spine.

Illness? Your body starts cranking the temperature up. Waaay up, because humans can endure high temperatures far better than most viruses and bacteria.

In my home town of Pittsburgh, there's a fantastic story about a construction worker who was crushed by a bridge. There's a documentary that shows the guy as an old man, doing pretty well for himself despite losing a leg (in perhaps one of the worst ways to lose a limb).

The list goes on, but my point is, the human body readily can and will sacrifice portions of itself to keep the rest alive, whether we want it to or not. Sometimes, this can be a good thing, though these days, that's typically only a good thing in extraordinary circumstances, such as being buried alive, hit by a train, shot and/or stabbed multiple times, etc. Most other times it's dreadfully incovenient at best or possibly life threatening, such as when you get exposed to peanut butter or pollen or crustaceans and your body suddenly decides "aaaw shit son, who put that fuckin' cyanide-shit there?!" and damn near kills you with it's overreacting bullshit, like an overprotective father trying to pull his gun at his five year old daughter's birthday party because the four-year-old boy two houses down gave her a dandelion.

Now, in the case of horrific fourth and fifth degree burns, possibly multiple compound fractures, hypothermia, multiple infections, a likely concussion, and fuck-all whatever else...

Assuming that Lisa was in the water for less than twenty minutes before being rushed to the ER, I'd be.... Let's say tentatively, cautiously optimistic about her survival, depending on how low her core temperature was. Funny thing about hypothermia. A lot of times, it's dangerous. But when you're already absolutely WRECKED, depending on your age and how healthy you were before getting wrecked, it actually might keep you alive.

Her vitals would've slowed down a lot, but they likely wouldn't have stopped, and a young brain doesn't do too bad at low temperatures if it's not that long. That woulf give a good ER team a lot of leeway, especially if her lungs were still in good shape. She almost certainly would've lost at least one limb, perhaps most of her fingers and toes, a good deal of skin and muscle tissue would have to be removed, and likely some of her intestines, but as long as nothing got in her lungs....

*frowns thoughtfully*

... I'd put money on a patient in Lisa's condition coming out of an induced coma, without hesitation, as long as her lungs were good. Now if she developed pneumonia on the other hand on top of everything else...

*grimaces*

... I'd be perhaps a little less confident in that case...
 
BungieONI said:
We should just go with Seven of Nine and call it a day :V
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"Why nine?"
"Look, I don't specialize in cyborg bodies ok? I had to learn as I went."
"You... you made nine bodies? No. You made nine me's?!"
"I couldn't tell if they worked if I didn't run them, and I only had one brain to spare."
"You WHAT?!"
"At least I wiped your memories before activation this time! I thought you would have appreciated that after all that screaming, violence and existential horror derived suicide attempts."
"... this is some serious Bonesaw shit."
"Hey!"
 
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