EternalObserver
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- The Void
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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
[X] The crumbling city of Tonghou, turned inward, shrinking by the decade, lit by the light of a grinning crescent.
- Location
- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
[X] A gleaming tower of light and wood, vast beyond easy comprehension, a bastion of power that cast deep shadows indeed, even under the lightless moon.
1337Procrast
Fire Emblem Enjoyer
- Location
- Australia
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] The crumbling city of Tonghou, turned inward, shrinking by the decade, lit by the light of a grinning crescent.
- Location
- United States of America
So, I'm going to talk a little bit about PLR and a cool synergy that I noticed. First off, here is the relevant text of PLR
Now, we don't have PLR 5 yet, but it has a couple of very useful insights for where it is going. First off IPF will penalize the senses of opponents in IPF's range. This is important because IPF is naturally a perception gate forcing people to have a certain level of perception before even being able to hit us. Penalizing opponent's perception within IPF just means that they need even more perception before they can hit us. IPF is expensive but will prove critical for everything else it wants to do.
LW is Persistent, and so those captured by it's frantic grasp will be captured until IPF fails or they break free. Most importantly though, is that each use of LW can hit three targets, to a max of six. This pushes LW more to group fights as three targets make this technique even more efficient. This is important, the move towards group fighting, as will be explained a little bit later.
Now, PLR 5 adds something new in the form of Ephemeral Dreamlit Dancer (EDD). This is another perception gate on top of the IPF perception gate. For a short time, we have two charges which have a chance to take blows for us that would have struck us. This chance decreases the higher the opponent's perception is. Now, there is inherent synergy in that IPF reduces the perception of our opponents, but if we start thinking about group tactics, there is an even more startling synergy. With Lady Cai. Specifically with Liming.
This technique, Celestial Revelation, seems to blind both physical and spiritual senses. Which could very well be a hefty perception debuff for a short amount of time. Combine this with our various perception gates in IPF, EDD, and MotV, and we have a combination that can radically reduce a person's perception for a short amount of time, forcing them to miss their targets against us, getting lost in our mists, or hitting and shattering phantoms we shroud ourselves in. With Cai seemingly comfortable engaging in melee with an opponent, Cai will have ample opportunity to activate Celestial Revelation should we need assistance dodging an attack from a powerful foe. Not only will this allow us to last longer in the fight, it will give us more time to siphon qi off of the powerful foe's allies through LW locking them down and giving us the qi needed to launch our larger more powerful combo's (such as JT and CTE).
With Cai's ability to blind foes, our perception gates become that much more potent against our more powerful foes in group combat. It makes me really want to do some group combat with Cai against some of our peers to test this idea out and see how far it can be taken currently.
Now, we don't have PLR 5 yet, but it has a couple of very useful insights for where it is going. First off IPF will penalize the senses of opponents in IPF's range. This is important because IPF is naturally a perception gate forcing people to have a certain level of perception before even being able to hit us. Penalizing opponent's perception within IPF just means that they need even more perception before they can hit us. IPF is expensive but will prove critical for everything else it wants to do.
LW is Persistent, and so those captured by it's frantic grasp will be captured until IPF fails or they break free. Most importantly though, is that each use of LW can hit three targets, to a max of six. This pushes LW more to group fights as three targets make this technique even more efficient. This is important, the move towards group fighting, as will be explained a little bit later.
Now, PLR 5 adds something new in the form of Ephemeral Dreamlit Dancer (EDD). This is another perception gate on top of the IPF perception gate. For a short time, we have two charges which have a chance to take blows for us that would have struck us. This chance decreases the higher the opponent's perception is. Now, there is inherent synergy in that IPF reduces the perception of our opponents, but if we start thinking about group tactics, there is an even more startling synergy. With Lady Cai. Specifically with Liming.
This technique, Celestial Revelation, seems to blind both physical and spiritual senses. Which could very well be a hefty perception debuff for a short amount of time. Combine this with our various perception gates in IPF, EDD, and MotV, and we have a combination that can radically reduce a person's perception for a short amount of time, forcing them to miss their targets against us, getting lost in our mists, or hitting and shattering phantoms we shroud ourselves in. With Cai seemingly comfortable engaging in melee with an opponent, Cai will have ample opportunity to activate Celestial Revelation should we need assistance dodging an attack from a powerful foe. Not only will this allow us to last longer in the fight, it will give us more time to siphon qi off of the powerful foe's allies through LW locking them down and giving us the qi needed to launch our larger more powerful combo's (such as JT and CTE).
With Cai's ability to blind foes, our perception gates become that much more potent against our more powerful foes in group combat. It makes me really want to do some group combat with Cai against some of our peers to test this idea out and see how far it can be taken currently.
- Location
- Panama City
[X] The crumbling city of Tonghou, turned inward, shrinking by the decade, lit by the light of a grinning crescent.
[X] A gleaming tower of light and wood, vast beyond easy comprehension, a bastion of power that cast deep shadows indeed, even under the lightless moon.
[X] A gleaming tower of light and wood, vast beyond easy comprehension, a bastion of power that cast deep shadows indeed, even under the lightless moon.
- Location
- PA
Hrrm...
[X] A gleaming tower of light and wood, vast beyond easy comprehension, a bastion of power that cast deep shadows indeed, even under the lightless moon.
Hear me out on this one:
Ling Qi's traumas and hang-ups seem all built around the experience of being a stowaway and how it sucks right?
What I've been thinking for a LONG time now is she needs a counter-balance to that trauma. Going back over it with fresh eyes CAN help...But yanno, done wrongly it can just open up new wounds *glares at Bloody Moon* Admittedly I can see why Ling Qi would be bad with the Bloody beyond the whole 'did I really grow past being a street rat?' question- just look at how much of our gains came at the cost of some other person/being who had the misfortune of being in our path...
But I digress.
Something that's bugged me about Ling Qi's cultivation as a whole- it has the idea that there's plenty of BAD out there in the world, but in terms of light, of warmth, of happiness?...There's a party. There's a vague idea of a 'home' that safe from danger, but other than that...The world is dark, cold, and dangerous, full of deadly mists and generally inhospitable.
I think it was remarked upon that Ling Qi was kind of gloomy for awhile there, and while the Moons I THINK have rounded that gothic edge off Ling Qi, I still see it as a very dominant attitude to her, and frankly I think she's only one true loss or personal tragedy away from going straight-up horror monster in the vein of something like Nemo Elcobuzier.
THAT, is my beef with Ling Qi's way.
So no, I don't want to explore her painful past.
I'm leery of poking around the prescent as well, simply due to her not truly being settled yet due to all the questions and fears surrounding her now-those have defined her enough, in my opinion, and allowing them further purchase could very well lead to all sorts of unpleasant things. Like the dark implications we first thought of upon seeing Cai made all too painfully real. A new Bai nightmare waiting to be unleashed, NO!
So where can I find light and growth? at the top of the great tower, a stairway to GREATNESS.
[X] A gleaming tower of light and wood, vast beyond easy comprehension, a bastion of power that cast deep shadows indeed, even under the lightless moon.
Hear me out on this one:
Ling Qi's traumas and hang-ups seem all built around the experience of being a stowaway and how it sucks right?
What I've been thinking for a LONG time now is she needs a counter-balance to that trauma. Going back over it with fresh eyes CAN help...But yanno, done wrongly it can just open up new wounds *glares at Bloody Moon* Admittedly I can see why Ling Qi would be bad with the Bloody beyond the whole 'did I really grow past being a street rat?' question- just look at how much of our gains came at the cost of some other person/being who had the misfortune of being in our path...
But I digress.
Something that's bugged me about Ling Qi's cultivation as a whole- it has the idea that there's plenty of BAD out there in the world, but in terms of light, of warmth, of happiness?...There's a party. There's a vague idea of a 'home' that safe from danger, but other than that...The world is dark, cold, and dangerous, full of deadly mists and generally inhospitable.
I think it was remarked upon that Ling Qi was kind of gloomy for awhile there, and while the Moons I THINK have rounded that gothic edge off Ling Qi, I still see it as a very dominant attitude to her, and frankly I think she's only one true loss or personal tragedy away from going straight-up horror monster in the vein of something like Nemo Elcobuzier.
THAT, is my beef with Ling Qi's way.
So no, I don't want to explore her painful past.
I'm leery of poking around the prescent as well, simply due to her not truly being settled yet due to all the questions and fears surrounding her now-those have defined her enough, in my opinion, and allowing them further purchase could very well lead to all sorts of unpleasant things. Like the dark implications we first thought of upon seeing Cai made all too painfully real. A new Bai nightmare waiting to be unleashed, NO!
So where can I find light and growth? at the top of the great tower, a stairway to GREATNESS.
[X] A gleaming tower of light and wood, vast beyond easy comprehension, a bastion of power that cast deep shadows indeed, even under the lightless moon.
Mostly because I'm curious and also I feel the irrational need to stick it to that random Luo we met once.
Mostly because I'm curious and also I feel the irrational need to stick it to that random Luo we met once.
What was that, Luo Jie? Huh?
- Location
- Cali
[X] The crumbling city of Tonghou, turned inward, shrinking by the decade, lit by the light of a grinning crescent.
It feels most thematically appropriate to return to the beginning for this journey. After all, it's that first connection with the Grinning Moon that got Xin to greet us during Zhao's trial, and how we got EPC to begin with.
It feels most thematically appropriate to return to the beginning for this journey. After all, it's that first connection with the Grinning Moon that got Xin to greet us during Zhao's trial, and how we got EPC to begin with.
- Location
- The United States
- Pronouns
- He/They
Archivist of Sin....
It's easy to forget that Xin has been Jiao's partner for far longer than we've known him, that most of both of their lives have been in the service of the Ministry of Integrity.
Jiao was so devoted to his career in CoIntel he married a Kompromat spirit.
It's easy to forget that Xin has been Jiao's partner for far longer than we've known him, that most of both of their lives have been in the service of the Ministry of Integrity.
Jiao was so devoted to his career in CoIntel he married a Kompromat spirit.
minimap_op
plsnerf
- Location
- Lower Lefthand Corner
[X] The crumbling city of Tonghou, turned inward, shrinking by the decade, lit by the light of a grinning crescent.
This is a note I'd rather start than end on.
This is a note I'd rather start than end on.
- Location
- Computer Desk
[X] The crumbling city of Tonghou, turned inward, shrinking by the decade, lit by the light of a grinning crescent.
- Location
- Washington
[X] The crumbling city of Tonghou, turned inward, shrinking by the decade, lit by the light of a grinning crescent.
NERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRD
Jensaarai
Sing Victory Everlasting
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Why not? Grinning is a classic for LQ, and visiting Tonghou sounds like a really interesting prospect as a cultivator now.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
It is interesting that while FVM is also perception gated, FVM's darkness style means it is helped much less by teaming up with CRX, while PLR being a more malfeas type stealth means that it will be helped much more.
Oh, and I am pretty sure Celestial Relevation is not the only blinding tech CRX has, either.
Something that you missed in your above analysis is that while EDD stacks really well on top of IPF, both for the perception penalising element and 'perception gated dodge on top of perception gated misses', EDD is the first tech of PLR that doesn't necessitate IPF to be there to work. So it works better if it's there, but it can work by itself.
Its conditional nature does make it iffier as a panic button that DWV, its direct competitor, but it also has a 'short' duration instead of an 'immediate' one. So it's very possible for Ling Qi's defences to look like this: IPF to make opponent miss, EDD to perfect dodge, and if both fail DWV as a last layer. That, or if both fail there is a decent odd it's a really powerful technique that would bypass DWV, so SCS the tech for the perfect dodge.
So while EDD and DWV compete in what they actually do, EDD not being immediate means that, in the defence setup, it can actually be used as a prepared defence with either DWV or SCS being the last ditch panic button, creating another layer of conditional perfect defence between our preceding existing ones.
Past image is an interesting one.
It's a pity though, because Capital or Village are more interesting to me when it comes to the narrative for Ling Qi. Capital seems to be about our current centre of interests when it comes to working with CRX, and Village seems to be about 'how to build toward the future'.
There is only so much work you can do on your past hang up before you need to buckle up and actually work on how you want your work to reflect on your present and future, after all.