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[X] Liang He, Disciple 790
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TimEd
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her bow, or the bow
and I dont know what came over me (had to reread from the start) that up until this point, I had thought that it was Xuilan who was with us in the room. Maybe I have been blinded by how rare the apperance of Best!Snek is, and mine eyes were yet unprepared for such wonders.
[X] Liang He, Disciple 790
Straight up brawl! Lets see how good our setup really is.
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What about Sixiang and their siblings then?
Would they count as "not having a gender" or do they shift between different gender identities depending on the dream/how they feel?
They don't have genders for the most part, though exceptions exist. Spirits like Sixiang are generally very transitory in their individual identities
Sooo, since they're muses...
They reproduce by giving their artists brainchildren, then?
Hey, while I actually agree with challenging Liang He, I just want to say there's no real point in hiding your power to a large degree in this system.
Let's say you're challenged and you can go "OH YOU SPRUNG MY TRAP, RANDOM CHALLENGER, ENJOY LOSING TO A THRESHOLD GREEN. YOUR 6 CP IS MINE BWHAHAHAHA."
Why?
Like, what did they gain out of that? If they're hiding their power for an intel advantage on some specific target, they blew it retaining ONE rank. If there was some specific benefit to hiding their power, then it won't be over rank challenges from below. They probably plan on challenging up to the 500-600s where disciples have been hoarding CP and CP-making-jobs for a generation and can actually afford to refuse challenges regularly. In that case, deliberately sliding a rank to keep your secret is correct. You don't care if you're 795 or 797, you care that your planned challenge to 530 will work out before 530 gets wind that you're actually stronger than them.
And like, EVEN THEN, it doesn't really make sense that 530 would refuse a challenge either, unless the very top ranks are very differentiated and sliding a rank in the top 30 of the 500+ inner sect actually matters. The system is set up so this "bwhahaha I was hiding my true strength" is actually bullshit.
It might be most relevant in the top 500 of the sect where they're competing over the right to become a Core Disciple, I guess. If the system up there is largely the same then I'm skeptical, but I could see it in the very top ranks. Maybe.
e: If you wanted to win a lot of challenges from below, the correct play would be to have a very diverse skill set, so the Elders pick a set of offered challenges that the challengers don't expect. You might look weak on paper for duels, but you are secretly a decent Formations expert, skilled in Calligraphy, have tamed wild Spirit Beasts, and can cook a mean Pill, and no one knows about your 1000 skills. That would actually work for a while in drawing challenges.
Let's say you're challenged and you can go "OH YOU SPRUNG MY TRAP, RANDOM CHALLENGER, ENJOY LOSING TO A THRESHOLD GREEN. YOUR 6 CP IS MINE BWHAHAHAHA."
Why?
Like, what did they gain out of that? If they're hiding their power for an intel advantage on some specific target, they blew it retaining ONE rank. If there was some specific benefit to hiding their power, then it won't be over rank challenges from below. They probably plan on challenging up to the 500-600s where disciples have been hoarding CP and CP-making-jobs for a generation and can actually afford to refuse challenges regularly. In that case, deliberately sliding a rank to keep your secret is correct. You don't care if you're 795 or 797, you care that your planned challenge to 530 will work out before 530 gets wind that you're actually stronger than them.
And like, EVEN THEN, it doesn't really make sense that 530 would refuse a challenge either, unless the very top ranks are very differentiated and sliding a rank in the top 30 of the 500+ inner sect actually matters. The system is set up so this "bwhahaha I was hiding my true strength" is actually bullshit.
It might be most relevant in the top 500 of the sect where they're competing over the right to become a Core Disciple, I guess. If the system up there is largely the same then I'm skeptical, but I could see it in the very top ranks. Maybe.
e: If you wanted to win a lot of challenges from below, the correct play would be to have a very diverse skill set, so the Elders pick a set of offered challenges that the challengers don't expect. You might look weak on paper for duels, but you are secretly a decent Formations expert, skilled in Calligraphy, have tamed wild Spirit Beasts, and can cook a mean Pill, and no one knows about your 1000 skills. That would actually work for a while in drawing challenges.
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[X] Liang He, Disciple 790
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[X] Liang He, Disciple 790
Always be reaching! It'll never go wrong!
Always be reaching! It'll never go wrong!
[X] Liang He, Disciple 790
yolo
yolo
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[X] Liang He, Disciple 790
Let's say Cyan+ cultivators can manage this. Except the vast majority of cultivators never reach Cyan. In fact most never even reach Green! This means only a tiny fraction of all cultivators, themselves a fraction of all humans in the Empire**, are capable of achieving this.
If only .01%*** of the population can do X it's plausible that society doesn't think X is normal. Not guaranteed since Cyan+ are the rulers, but at least plausible.
*except Su Ling
**Don't forget mortals exist!
***or whatever really small percentage it actually is
It's probably more difficult than you think. This is a story so we see lots of high-level cultivators because nobody* cares about the scrubs.
Let's say Cyan+ cultivators can manage this. Except the vast majority of cultivators never reach Cyan. In fact most never even reach Green! This means only a tiny fraction of all cultivators, themselves a fraction of all humans in the Empire**, are capable of achieving this.
If only .01%*** of the population can do X it's plausible that society doesn't think X is normal. Not guaranteed since Cyan+ are the rulers, but at least plausible.
*except Su Ling
**Don't forget mortals exist!
***or whatever really small percentage it actually is
TimEd
Meteor maker
its the Tiers thats important. If the one you are challenging doesnt know you have X skill...trump card, then they cant defend against it or make preparations to negate or avoid said trump card.
And on trump cards, most any of the Arts or hidden jumps in cultivations here are pretty significant trump cards since they apply to a wider variety than just for battle, and that increase in cultivation if kept secret enough, could give someone time to properly solidify their position so they can jump tiers and then hold that fort till you are ready for another increase in cultivation.
Basically, the system might seemingly favor varied skill, but the challengers must trick the challenged into picking trapped choices or else get stuck being a one trick pony.
Imagine if you will, someone being challenged by rank 790. Unless you can stomp him, you would definately never choose a head on fight. But, what if the choice you pick is something disciple 790 happened to have a trup card on?
Thing to remember, is that the Elders choose the choices. Meaning they will only reasonably pick those where the challenger has either a chance to win, or enough skill they think they can use to win.
Even with deep CP reserves, refusing challenges regularly is a sure wait to squander your wealth. Sure, they might be able to refuse a challenge or ten, but that means lots of lost CP. At best, they can earn back the lost CP by regularly doing missions, but at that point you've got people dumping serious amounts of time and effort merely to avoid a challenge.
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While I think that is unlikely that the illusionist is sandbagging, though u do agree that if anyone can pull that off a Lake Illusionist specialist can, that's not why I'm going for the dueliat.
I just want to show that we can hang with the big boys in a fight.
[X] Liang He, Disciple 790
The only people that would choose that challenge against someone known to have a Green Xuan Wu would be some sort of pet specialist, so I don't think it would be that one sided.
I just want to show that we can hang with the big boys in a fight.
[X] Liang He, Disciple 790
The only people that would choose that challenge against someone known to have a Green Xuan Wu would be some sort of pet specialist, so I don't think it would be that one sided.
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So. Our second challenge. I was curious in how our better perception would translate in quality of intelligence so i went out of my way to quote intel. of both.
First.
1)In Intel.1 we have information on 3 targets (instead of two) and more background information. It may seem confusing but this month we used 1AP on Challenge Research instead of 2AP like month before, so it make sense that we got less number of targets and background information. Good to know.
2)As expected in intel.2 we have more information from Statblocks - 6-7 stats per target instead of 4-5 like before, so it's easy to see advantage of high Perception. Also it's not said anywhere in our Character Sheet what type of Perception our AM derived ability is using i am almost sure that, at least, for challenges it's Social. Too much increase in potency for it too be Combat.
P.S.:Also. It wasn't my goal, but i have to admit that our new targets surprisingly stronger than before, not so much from their stats, but from the fact that both of them full Cultivation Rank higher and both have Spirit Beasts and they are just 10-22 ranks apart from targets of our previous challenge. Interesting, though i don't have much answer as to why except that they are in a more potent Tier with higher income and higher quality vent. Maybe someone else in thread will have better understanding than me...
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Second
Ok. Lets see...
1)In Intel.1 we have information on 3 targets (instead of two) and more background information. It may seem confusing but this month we used 1AP on Challenge Research instead of 2AP like month before, so it make sense that we got less number of targets and background information. Good to know.
2)As expected in intel.2 we have more information from Statblocks - 6-7 stats per target instead of 4-5 like before, so it's easy to see advantage of high Perception. Also it's not said anywhere in our Character Sheet what type of Perception our AM derived ability is using i am almost sure that, at least, for challenges it's Social. Too much increase in potency for it too be Combat.
P.S.:Also. It wasn't my goal, but i have to admit that our new targets surprisingly stronger than before, not so much from their stats, but from the fact that both of them full Cultivation Rank higher and both have Spirit Beasts and they are just 10-22 ranks apart from targets of our previous challenge. Interesting, though i don't have much answer as to why except that they are in a more potent Tier with higher income and higher quality vent. Maybe someone else in thread will have better understanding than me...
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EternalObserver
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No idea either, I felt that yrsillar did it to give us a challenge, at the same time I feel that something is not right with how rank works. It even indicated that Foundation people start appearing at 770 which to me sound too low. I think there are still a few Appraisal in a rank higher than 770 and are in fact more common there than Foundation but eh, I'm just guessing. Might be just a coincidence that we happen upon two Appraisals instead of Early.
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I was thinking of that too, and here's my thoughts on the matter.
If I had to guess, a LOT of the 700 and maybe even 600s are in Foundation, waiting for greater Insights or just looking through Arts making Domain decisions.
Since most of the <850s are Yellow, this would put a slide right about where we are where strength changes pretty quick and people move quickly.
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[X] Liang He, Disciple 790
The bow did good work.
We're past using it, but a decoration isn't so bad a fate!
Ling Qi saying its 'pretty strenous' is basically anyone else saying "murderous".
...oh god thats where she gets the "Only One Dress" from.
This whole bunch is cultivating monsters
Well, Sixiang is certainly enjoying being able to talk.
Feudal noble 101. Marriage is a matter of Who. Barring her beelining ascension somehow.
On the plus side for Ling Qi I suppose in Cultivator land, S rank abs are hardly rare in the peaks of nobility!
Sixiang: *Tumbleweeds*
Of course she's challenging.
As for the challenges, given that everyone else had done the stats talk to death by the time I woke up I'll just poke at curiosities.
Firebird pokemon, sounds like he has excellent Abs going by his stats.
Illusionist so it'd be head to head Spiritual huh?