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- Colorado
I'm not sure I actually trust us to do Paying Respects if we put it off till later.
Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
- Thread starter yrsillar
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- Original Users' Choice!
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
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- He/Him
Don't remind me of that now please... The last turn I was fighting to do that project...
On the other hand, why are there so few plans with BKSD!?
WE COMMITTED TO THE ENTIRE CONSTRUCTIONS ISSUE AND NOW WE DO NOT DO ANY FOLLOW-UP ACTION AFTER THAT COMMITMENT?
(Sorry about the caps, but that pisses me off)
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- FR
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- He/Him
After asking yrs on discord, like the exploration options, it'll probably be back after the summit. No Xia info RN is a pain, though
I 100% agree, I'm actually surprise that so many people want to have it this turn instead of next turn.
Honestly I don't see a single reason for anyone not choosing Paying Respects next turn if we decide not to take it now. It seems like a lot of people want to pay respects at some point, and I don't see how everyone would suddenly change their mind when it's the last possible turn to do it.
How long has this been there?!? Have I just missed it?
You may take comfort in knowing your eyesight has not deteriorated in a comedic yet concerning fashion. That bit is new.
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It's new. There was previously a separate project for Imperturbable Soul as an entirely new Trait. This version is much better.
ImperatorV
The Laughing One
- Location
- The Voyaging Realm
Ling Qi has too many good cultivation options. FFS, LFWT, and BKSD are core parts of our art sweet and have many projects. Songseeker's Ceremony is our cultivation art, and therefore essential. But now SNR is looking more valuable, a lot of people want to do MoSS for good reasons, and WHR is still there with Formation upgrades and miscellaneous benefits.
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Here, ask... :"v
On the other hand...
Why Frozen Desire and not Primacy of the Beasts? There seems to be a closer thematic relationship between Eyes and Primacy (lies) than between Frozen Desire and Dreaming Songstress? (A lot more general)
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Oliver_Twister
Idea-Man, He Who Shits Ideas
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- West Africa
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Dreaming Songstress addresses Ling Qi's issues with intimacy. Frozen Desire also touches on that, and how LQ should give and take with others. It's a REALLY good pairing.
Just like Primacy of Beasts and Dreaming Songstress. Dreaming Songstress is also the less-than-stellar things that drive people towards Community. Primacy of Beasts talks about what drives people to conflict. Both work.
So I see it as how you want the Tribulation to go. Though I do think Primacy of Beasts works better. Frozen Desire can work as a follow-up to the Tribulation while Primacy of Beasts is just perfect
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Plus Primacy also fits very well with Eyes... (lies theme)
EternalObserver
eYe Gaze baCk
- Location
- The Void
We're doing an FFS project this turn.
We're doing FFS basically every turn. We need that to get to G6.
Oliver_Twister
Idea-Man, He Who Shits Ideas
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- West Africa
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HONESTLY, I think Root Inroads can be fused with Paying Respects. We're saying Goodbye to everyone in the Sect, and Ruan Shen and Bian Ya absolutely count. And then we can get some info too.
ALSO
Yrsillar changed the waiting time for plan vote has been increased to 4 hours instead of two
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Please don't come at me with those logics... When we mastered the whole theme of qi constructions, we also promised to do a BKSD action every turn since then and we haven't touched BKSD for two turns right now...
Adding a new plan with Primacy of Beasts because it can actually be useful for the negotiations and pre-negotiations, with all the insight it offers about what leads to war:
[] Plan Hidden Intentions
-[] [Personal] Eye of Grudges
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[] [Professional] A Land of Dark and Cruel
-[] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (5/5, Greater Argent Vent)
-[] [Cultivation] Dreaming Songstress (8/8)
-[] [Cultivation] Primacy of Beasts (??/3, Saline Grotto + Argent Domain)
The other two plans I proposed earlier, to refresh memories and have all of them in one message:
[] Plan Behind Grudges
-[] [Personal] Eye of Grudges
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[] [Professional] A Land of Dark and Cruel
-[] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (5/5, Greater Argent Vent)
-[] [Cultivation] Dreaming Songstress (8/8)
-[] [Cultivation] Xiangmen, Fortress of Tsu Pt. 2 (10/5, Saline Grotto + Argent Domain)
[] Plan Preparing for Negotiations
-[] [Personal] Eye of Grudges
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[] [Professional] Badlands and Bogs
-[] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (5/5, Greater Argent Vent)
-[] [Cultivation] Dreaming Songstress (8/8)
-[] [Cultivation] Xiangmen, Fortress of Tsu Pt. 2 (10/5, Saline Grotto + Argent Domain)
[] Plan Hidden Intentions
-[] [Personal] Eye of Grudges
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[] [Professional] A Land of Dark and Cruel
-[] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (5/5, Greater Argent Vent)
-[] [Cultivation] Dreaming Songstress (8/8)
-[] [Cultivation] Primacy of Beasts (??/3, Saline Grotto + Argent Domain)
The other two plans I proposed earlier, to refresh memories and have all of them in one message:
[] Plan Behind Grudges
-[] [Personal] Eye of Grudges
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[] [Professional] A Land of Dark and Cruel
-[] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (5/5, Greater Argent Vent)
-[] [Cultivation] Dreaming Songstress (8/8)
-[] [Cultivation] Xiangmen, Fortress of Tsu Pt. 2 (10/5, Saline Grotto + Argent Domain)
[] Plan Preparing for Negotiations
-[] [Personal] Eye of Grudges
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[] [Professional] Badlands and Bogs
-[] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (5/5, Greater Argent Vent)
-[] [Cultivation] Dreaming Songstress (8/8)
-[] [Cultivation] Xiangmen, Fortress of Tsu Pt. 2 (10/5, Saline Grotto + Argent Domain)
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Mechanically, I prefer to improve Year End Aria first over Snowblossom Shattering.
The effectiveness of Snowblossom is dependant in how many enemies we have slowed with Year End Aria, after all.
By the way, @yrsillar
I just noticed you didn't change the old name of Stillness of the Solstice Night, in the Snowblossom text. It should be Frozen Night's Refrain now.
The effectiveness of Snowblossom is dependant in how many enemies we have slowed with Year End Aria, after all.
By the way, @yrsillar
I just noticed you didn't change the old name of Stillness of the Solstice Night, in the Snowblossom text. It should be Frozen Night's Refrain now.
This is a meaningless statement.
Completing a successor art is a hard requirement in order to advance to the next stage of cultivation. We can't just... not do it.
Frozen Desire, as others have stated, pairs excellently with the Nightmare tribulation - touching on Ling Qi's very personal issues with want, desire and intimacy.
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I really don't see how we're going to fit in Dreaming Songstress this turn without it being awkward. It's solely about Ling Qi's personal problems, her trauma related to intimacy and sex. Her overcoming this fear doesn't specifically prepare Ling Qi for the summit. And while it's true that many of our cultivation projects don't either, Dreaming Songstress deserves have a stage of its own. It addresses a crucial aspect of Ling Qi's development, something readers have been waiting for forever. It shouldn't be eclipsed by other issues that are, in terms of plot, equally important.
It kinda doesn't make sense for Ling Qi, as CRX's retainer and left hand, to go on a dangerous tribulation mid-preparation for the summit that needs to succeed. Yes LQ can be reckless but plot-wise, it would kinda come out of left field.
Honestly if we have to do Dreaming Songstress (and I don't think we do, I think we can wait), it should go last after we've finished up everything at the summit location. Then the Dreaming Songstress arc can stand on its own.
It kinda doesn't make sense for Ling Qi, as CRX's retainer and left hand, to go on a dangerous tribulation mid-preparation for the summit that needs to succeed. Yes LQ can be reckless but plot-wise, it would kinda come out of left field.
Honestly if we have to do Dreaming Songstress (and I don't think we do, I think we can wait), it should go last after we've finished up everything at the summit location. Then the Dreaming Songstress arc can stand on its own.
Big agree. Everyone was talking for so long about how we should wait to do Hidden Scribe until we did Paying Respects. Now we're doing Paying Respects, and everyone wants to do Dreaming Songstress instead for some reason. Right now, we shouldn't be doing anything that could distract us from the summit. A tribulation definitely falls under that category.
Oliver_Twister
Idea-Man, He Who Shits Ideas
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- West Africa
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Okay, so I'm okay with almost every plan now since they have Raising the Bastion, but I think Primacy of Beasts works better than Frozen Desire for the following reasons.
1. Primacy of Beasts won't really have a better time than this. It goes well with BOTH Eyes of Grudges and the summit talks. It also pairs really well with what the Dreaming Tribulation talks about. I don't really see a better time to cultivate it than now, apart from the eventual war arc, and we already decided to move BKSD towards a Community art after the play during the Summit.
2. Yrsillar doesn't really pair two cultivation actions together. It's always Personal/Professional + Cultivation iirc. So the two affecting each other doesn't really work, imo. It was like Void and FFS. Even during turn 13, when we visited Xiangmen and did BOTH Dreaming and The Dreaming Gala, the two were different things, with Dreaming pairing with the auction and the Dreaming Gala being its own thing. So they won't fuse well imo, and it can lead to Frozen Desire pairing with other things, which doesn't really work IMO. On the other hand, Primacy of Beasts pairs well with many things.
3. One of the main arguments for picking Dreaming Songstress this turn is that we'll need a buffer to deal with any fallout. So any physical, mental, or emotional damage. What better follow-up to a tribulation about our intimacy than thinking about how much to give a take in a situation, AFTER we've gotten a new advanced insight on that topic too?
So Frozen Desire can work better as a follow-up to our tribulation than a current project. While Primacy of Beasts connects well with lots of things we're doing right now.
1. Primacy of Beasts won't really have a better time than this. It goes well with BOTH Eyes of Grudges and the summit talks. It also pairs really well with what the Dreaming Tribulation talks about. I don't really see a better time to cultivate it than now, apart from the eventual war arc, and we already decided to move BKSD towards a Community art after the play during the Summit.
2. Yrsillar doesn't really pair two cultivation actions together. It's always Personal/Professional + Cultivation iirc. So the two affecting each other doesn't really work, imo. It was like Void and FFS. Even during turn 13, when we visited Xiangmen and did BOTH Dreaming and The Dreaming Gala, the two were different things, with Dreaming pairing with the auction and the Dreaming Gala being its own thing. So they won't fuse well imo, and it can lead to Frozen Desire pairing with other things, which doesn't really work IMO. On the other hand, Primacy of Beasts pairs well with many things.
3. One of the main arguments for picking Dreaming Songstress this turn is that we'll need a buffer to deal with any fallout. So any physical, mental, or emotional damage. What better follow-up to a tribulation about our intimacy than thinking about how much to give a take in a situation, AFTER we've gotten a new advanced insight on that topic too?
So Frozen Desire can work better as a follow-up to our tribulation than a current project. While Primacy of Beasts connects well with lots of things we're doing right now.
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I mean, we can work on both our FFS art and Bear God. Pretty simple solution, imo.
Also guys please consider giving Xuan Shi is time to shine and vote Badlands and Bog. Please, please, please.
This isn't me liking him as husband material or something. He's just one of my favorite characters, regardless of shipping wars.
Vote Turtle Boi! Seriously, the Xuan have more info on the world outside the Empire than any other faction. Its our best move.