Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
[X] Plan Face Your Demons
-[X] [Personal] Eyes of Grudges
-[X] [Professional] Paying Respects
-[X] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[X] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[X] [Cultivation] Dreaming Songstress (8/8) (Shattered Gaol)
-[X] [Cultivation] Frozen Desire (13/4) (Saline Grotto)
-[X] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (6/5, Greater Argent Vent + Argent Domain)

This gets Paying Respects done which is good. We don't know what the next turns are going to bring and we desperately need to start shaving away some actions so the action crunch isn't so bad.

Why are we doing a tribulation right before literally the defining moment of our political career, instead of after? Someone explain this to me, whyyyyy?

Since we will have a month to heal any damage before the defining moment of our political career instead of having both happen close together.
 
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Here's a link to a post with all the current plans. I decided to delete the list here because I don't want to edit two posts or cause confusion. It's directly below the latest threadmark, so you won't have to go far or anything. They're listed in order of posting.

I changed some plans, mainly by correcting the cultivation XP needed. There's a spreadsheet for it apparently.


I hope no one's too offended by that. I'll change them back if you are.
 
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[X] Plan Face Your Demons
-[X] [Personal] Eyes of Grudges
-[X] [Professional] Paying Respects
-[X] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[X] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[X] [Cultivation] Dreaming Songstress (8/8) (Shattered Gaol)
-[X] [Cultivation] Frozen Desire (13/4) (Saline Grotto)
-[X] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (6/5, Greater Argent Vent + Argent Domain)

This gets Paying Respects done which is good. We don't know what the next turns are going to bring and we desperately need to start shaving away some actions so the action crunch isn't so bad.


Please don't copy the full plan, it breaks the tally. Just vote by the plan name.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Neshuakadal on Oct 28, 2022 at 8:10 PM, finished with 125 posts and 13 votes.

  • [X] Plan Face Your Demons
    -[X] [Personal] Eyes of Grudges
    -[X] [Professional] Paying Respects
    -[X] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
    -[X] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
    -[X] [Cultivation] Dreaming Songstress (8/8) (Shattered Gaol)
    -[X] [Cultivation] Frozen Desire (13/4) (Saline Grotto)
    -[X] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (6/5, Greater Argent Vent + Argent Domain)
    [X] Plan Hidden Grudge
    [X] Plan Beast's Grudge
    [x] Plan Hidden communication
    [X] Plan Hidden communication (vermin edition)
    [X] Plan Face Your Demons and Come Home
    -[X] [Personal] House of Ling
    -[X] [Professional] Paying Respects
    -[X] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
    -[X] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
    -[X] [Cultivation] Dreaming Songstress (8/8)
    -[X] [Cultivation] Frozen Desire (8/4)
    -[X] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (6/5, Greater Argent Vent + Argent Domain)
    [X] Plan Beast's Desire
    -[X] [Personal] Eyes of Grudges
    -[X] [Professional] Paying Respects
    -[X] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
    -[X] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
    -[X] [Cultivation] Dreaming Songstress (8/8)
    -[X] [Cultivation] Primacy of Beasts (6/3)
    -[X] [Cultivation] Frozen Desire (8/4)
    [X] Plan Hidden Home
    [X] Plan Hidden Intentions


Please don't copy the full plan, it breaks the tally. Just vote by the plan name.

How?
 
[] Plan Witness Nightmare
-[] [Personal] Eyes of Grudges
-[] [Professional] Paying Respects
-[] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Cultivation] Dreaming Songstress (8/8)
-[] [Cultivation] Primacy of Beasts (7/3, Shattered Gaol)
-[] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (6/5, Greater Argent Vent + Argent Domain)

[] Plan Leaving the Nest
-[] [Personal] Eyes of Grudges
-[] [Professional] Paying Respects
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (6/5, Greater Argent Vent + Argent Domain)
-[] [Cultivation] Dreaming Songstress (8/8)
-[] [Cultivation] Ice and Dust (11/4)

[] Plan Roots and Wings
-[] [Personal] House of Ling
-[] [Professional] Paying Respects
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (6/5, Greater Argent Vent + Argent Domain)
-[] [Cultivation] Dreaming Songstress (8/8)
-[] [Cultivation] Ice and Dust (11/4)

[] Plan Old Home/New Home
-[] [Personal] House of Ling
-[] [Professional] Paying Respects
-[] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (5/5, Greater Argent Vent)
-[] [Cultivation] Dreaming Songstress (8/8)
-[] [Cultivation] Xiangmen, Fortress of Tsu Pt. 2 (10/5, Saline Grotto + Argent Domain)

[] Plan Hidden communication
-[] [Personal] House of Ling
-[] [Professional] Paying Respects
-[] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (5/5, Greater Argent Vent)
-[] [Cultivation] Hidden Scribe (8/8)
-[] [Cultivation] Xiangmen, Fortress of Tsu Pt. 2 (10/5, Saline Grotto + Argent Domain)

[] Plan Hidden communication (vermin edition)
-[] [Personal] House of Ling
-[] [Professional] Paying Respects
-[] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (5/5, Greater Argent Vent)
-[] [Cultivation] Hidden Scribe (8/8)
-[] [Cultivation] Primacy of Beasts (10/5, Saline Grotto + Argent Domain)

[] Plan Hidden Home
-[] [Personal] House of Ling
-[] [Professional] Paying Respects
-[] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Cultivation] Hidden Scribe (8/8)
-[] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (5/5, Greater Argent Vent)
-[] [Cultivation] Ice and Dust (13/4, Saline Grotto)

[] Plan Dreaming Home
-[] [Personal] House of Ling
-[] [Professional] A Land Dark and Cruel
-[] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Cultivation] Dreaming Songstress (8/8)
-[] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (5/5, Greater Argent Vent)
-[] [Cultivation] Ice and Dust (13/4, Saline Grotto)

[] Plan Face Your Demons
-[] [Personal] Eyes of Grudges
-[] [Professional] Paying Respects
-[] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Cultivation] Dreaming Songstress (8/8)
-[] [Cultivation] Frozen Desire (11/4)
-[] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (6/5, Greater Argent Vent + Argent Domain)

[] Plan White Roads
-[] [Personal] Golden Roads
-[] [Professional] Paying Respects
-[] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (5/5, Greater Argent Vent)
-[] [Cultivation] Hidden Scribe (8/8)
-[] [Cultivation] Primacy of Beasts (6/3)

[] Plan Behind Grudges
-[] [Personal] Eye of Grudges
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[] [Professional] A Land of Dark and Cruel
-[] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (5/5, Greater Argent Vent)
-[] [Cultivation] Dreaming Songstress (8/8)
-[] [Cultivation] Xiangmen, Fortress of Tsu Pt. 2 (10/5, Saline Grotto + Argent Domain)

[] Plan Preparing for Negotiations
-[] [Personal] Eye of Grudges
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[] [Professional] Badlands and Bogs
-[] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (5/5, Greater Argent Vent)
-[] [Cultivation] Dreaming Songstress (8/8)
-[] [Cultivation] Xiangmen, Fortress of Tsu Pt. 2 (10/5, Saline Grotto + Argent Domain)

[] Plan Hidden Grudge
-[] [Personal] Eye of Grudges
-[] [Professional] Paying Respects
-[] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Cultivation] Hidden Scribe (8/8)
-[] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (5/5, Greater Argent Vent)
-[] [Cultivation] Ice and Dust (13/4, Saline Grotto)

[] Plan Dreaming Grudge
-[] [Personal] Eye of Grudges
-[] [Professional] A Land Dark and Cruel
-[] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Cultivation] Dreaming Songstress (8/8)
-[] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (5/5, Greater Argent Vent)
-[] [Cultivation] Ice and Dust (13/4, Saline Grotto)

[] Plan Tribulation and Aftercare
-[] [Personal] Eye of Grudges
-[] [Personal] Golden Roads
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[] [Cultivation] Dreaming Songstress (8/8)
-[] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (5/5, Greater Argent Vent)
-[] [Cultivation] Frozen Desire (11/4)

[] Plan White Knuckles
-[] [Personal] Eye of Grudges
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[] [Professional] Paying Respects
-[] [Cultivation] Dreaming Songstress (8/8)
-[] [Cultivation] Bear God's Fury (6/3)
-[] []Cultivation] Frozen Desire (11/4)

[] Plan Professionally Personal Priority Preparations
-[] [Personal] Eyes of Grudges
-[] [Personal] House of Ling
-[] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Cultivation] Dreaming Songstress (8/8)
-[] [Cultivation] Frozen Desire (11/4)
-[] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (6/5, Greater Argent Vent + Argent Domain)

[] Plan Face Your Demons and Come Home
-[] [Personal] House of Ling
-[] [Professional] Paying Respects
-[] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Cultivation] Dreaming Songstress (8/8)
-[] [Cultivation] Frozen Desire (11/4)
-[] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (6/5, Greater Argent Vent + Argent Domain)

[] Plan Hidden Intentions
-[] [Personal] Eye of Grudges
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[] [Professional] A Land of Dark and Cruel
-[] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (5/5, Greater Argent Vent)
-[] [Cultivation] Dreaming Songstress (8/8)
-[] [Cultivation] Primacy of Beasts (9/3, Saline Grotto + Argent Domain)

[] Plan Behind Grudges
-[] [Personal] Eye of Grudges
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[] [Professional] A Land of Dark and Cruel
-[] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (5/5, Greater Argent Vent)
-[] [Cultivation] Dreaming Songstress (8/8)
-[] [Cultivation] Xiangmen, Fortress of Tsu Pt. 2 (10/5, Saline Grotto + Argent Domain)

[] Plan Beast's Grudge
-[] [Personal] Eye of Grudges
-[] [Professional] Badlands and Bogs
-[] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Cultivation] Primacy of Beasts (6/3)

-[] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (5/5, Greater Argent Vent)
-[] [Cultivation] Ice and Dust (13/4, Saline Grotto)

[] Plan House in Order
-[] [Personal] Eye of Grudges
-[] [Personal] House of Ling
-[] [Professional] Paying Respects
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Cultivation] Dreaming Songstress (8/8)
-[] [Cultivation] Xiangmen, Fortress of Tsu Pt. 2 (10/5, Saline Grotto + Argent Domain)
-[] [Cultivation] Frozen Desire (11/4)

[] Plan Hidden Intentions
-[] [Personal] Eye of Grudges
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[] [Professional] A Land of Dark and Cruel
-[] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (5/5, Greater Argent Vent)
-[] [Cultivation] Frozen Desire (11/4)
-[] [Cultivation] Primacy of Beasts (6/3)


Okayyy, that's all the plans available, listed in order of posting. Anyway, I have a comment directly below the latest threadmark so I'll copy it there.

I changed some plans, mainly by correcting the cultivation XP needed. There's a spreadsheet for it apparently.


I hope no one's too offended by that. I'll change them back if you are.
Thanks, I just came back and updated mine, but wans't expecting everyone to do it. Could you add gaol as the hidden scribe location for both hidden communication plans, please ?
 
[] Plan Beast's Grudge
-[] [Personal] Eye of Grudges
-[] [Professional] Badlands and Bogs
-[] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Cultivation] Primacy of Beasts (6/3)

-[] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (5/5, Greater Argent Vent)
-[] [Cultivation] Ice and Dust (?/4, Saline Grotto)
i like this version too! I'm not too attached to Eye of Grudges but it does really pair really well with everything else there.
Frankly, if we were to do Dreaming Songstress, it would make more sense to challenge Ling Qi's boundaries in a safe way leading up to the event like with Bao Qian-in the Golden Roads personal action.
But.
We shouldn't do Dreaming Songstress for the reasons I outlined earlier.
So its all good! The plan above is the way to go people!

Or if people prefer to include the Pine Lands that don't like us and hopefully will like us after this turn.

[] Plan Beast's Grudge +Pine Lands
-[] [Personal] Eye of Grudges
-[] [Professional] Badlands and Bogs
-[] [Professional] A Land of Dark and Cruel
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Cultivation] Primacy of Beasts (6/3)

-[] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (5/5, Greater Argent Vent)
-[] [Cultivation] Ice and Dust (?/4, Saline Grotto)
 
[X] Plan Witness Nightmare
[X] Plan Face Your Demons
[X] Plan Face Your Demons and Come Home


[X] Plan Leaving the Nest
[X] Plan Old Home/New Home
[X] Plan Roots and Wings
[X] Plan Professionally Personal Priority Preparations
 
[X] Plan Face Your Demons
[X] Plan Face Your Demons and Come Home

I may add other plans later if they become competitive and I like them.
 
[X] Plan Beast's Grudge
[X] Plan Dreaming Grudge
[X] Plan Dreaming Home
[X] Plan Beast's Grudge +Pine Lands
[X] Plan Conquering Demons

[X] Plan Dark Intentions
-[X] [Personal] Eye of Grudges
-[X] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[X] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[X] [Professional] A Land of Dark and Cruel
-[X] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (5/5, Greater Argent Vent)
-[X] [Cultivation] Frozen Desire (11/4)
-[X] [Cultivation] Primacy of Beasts (6/3)

[X] Plan Hidden Intentions
-[X] [Personal] Eye of Grudges
-[X] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[X] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[X] [Professional] A Land of Dark and Cruel
-[X] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (5/5, Greater Argent Vent)
-[X] [Cultivation] Dreaming Songstress (8/8)
-[X] [Cultivation] Primacy of Beasts (6/3)

[X] Plan Behind Grudges
-[X] [Personal] Eye of Grudges
-[X] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[X] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[X] [Professional] A Land of Dark and Cruel
-[X] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (5/5, Greater Argent Vent)
-[X] [Cultivation] Dreaming Songstress (8/8)
-[X] [Cultivation] Xiangmen, Fortress of Tsu Pt. 2 (10/5, Saline Grotto + Argent Domain)

[X] Plan Preparing for Negotiations
-[X] [Personal] Eye of Grudges
-[X] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[X] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[X] [Professional] Badlands and Bogs
-[X] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (5/5, Greater Argent Vent)
-[X] [Cultivation] Dreaming Songstress (8/8)
-[X] [Cultivation] Xiangmen, Fortress of Tsu Pt. 2 (10/5, Saline Grotto + Argent Domain)
 
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[] Plan Hidden Intentions
-[] [Personal] Eye of Grudges
-[] [Professional] Imperial Menagerie
-[] [Professional] The Wide White Sky
-[] [Professional] A Land of Dark and Cruel
-[] [Cultivation] Raising the Bastion (5/5, Greater Argent Vent)
-[] [Cultivation] Frozen Desire (11/4)
-[] [Cultivation] Primacy of Beasts (6/3)


Okayyy, that's all the plans available, listed in order of posting. Anyway, I have a comment directly below the latest threadmark so I'll copy it there.

I changed some plans, mainly by correcting the cultivation XP needed. There's a spreadsheet for it apparently.


I hope no one's too offended by that. I'll change them back if you are.

Very nice of you to list all plans and also correct them. I just want to add that I changed the name of the last hidden Intentions plan to Dark Intentions in between (forgot to modify the name the first time).
 
[X] Plan Beast's Grudge
[X] Plan Beast's Desire
[X] Plan Hidden Intentions
[X] Plan Witness Nightmare
[X] Plan White Roads
[X] Plan Surmounting Demons
 
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[X] Plan Face Your Demons
[X] Plan Face Your Demons and Come Home
[X] Plan Preparing for Negotiations
[X] Plan White Knuckles
[X] Plan Tribulation and Aftercare
[X] Plan Beast's Desire
 
[X] Plan Face Your Demons
[X] Plan Witness Nightmare
[X] Plan Leaving the Nest
[X] Plan Roots and Wings
[X] Plan Behind Grudges
[X] Plan Dreaming Grudge
[X] Plan Face Your Demons and Come Home
[X] Plan House in Order

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[X] Plan Surmounting Demons
 
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[X] Plan Roots and Wings
[X] Plan Face Your Demons
[X] Plan Old Home/New Home
[X] Plan Hidden communication
[X] Plan Hidden communication (vermin edition)
[X] Plan Hidden Home
[X] Plan Dreaming Home
[X] Plan Professionally Personal Priority Preparations
[X] Plan Face Your Demons and Come Home
[X] Plan House in Order
 
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I don't get it, really, I DON'T GET IT!! What the hell does the plan "Face Your Demons" have for so many people to vote for it!?

With arguments like those:

I really don't see how we're going to fit in Dreaming Songstress this turn without it being awkward. It's solely about Ling Qi's personal problems, her trauma related to intimacy and sex. Her overcoming this fear doesn't specifically prepare Ling Qi for the summit. And while it's true that many of our cultivation projects don't either, Dreaming Songstress deserves have a stage of its own. It addresses a crucial aspect of Ling Qi's development, something readers have been waiting for forever. It shouldn't be eclipsed by other issues that are, in terms of plot, equally important.
It kinda doesn't make sense for Ling Qi, as CRX's retainer and left hand, to go on a dangerous tribulation mid-preparation for the summit that needs to succeed. Yes LQ can be reckless but plot-wise, it would kinda come out of left field.
Honestly if we have to do Dreaming Songstress (and I don't think we do, I think we can wait), it should go last after we've finished up everything at the summit location. Then the Dreaming Songstress arc can stand on its own.

Okay, so I'm okay with almost every plan now since they have Raising the Bastion, but I think Primacy of Beasts works better than Frozen Desire for the following reasons.

1. Primacy of Beasts won't really have a better time than this. It goes well with BOTH Eyes of Grudges and the summit talks. It also pairs really well with what the Dreaming Tribulation talks about. I don't really see a better time to cultivate it than now, apart from the eventual war arc, and we already decided to move BKSD towards a Community art after the play during the Summit.

2. Yrsillar doesn't really pair two cultivation actions together. It's always Personal/Professional + Cultivation iirc. So the two affecting each other doesn't really work, imo. It was like Void and FFS. Even during turn 13, when we visited Xiangmen and did BOTH Dreaming and The Dreaming Gala, the two were different things, with Dreaming pairing with the auction and the Dreaming Gala being its own thing. So they won't fuse well imo, and it can lead to Frozen Desire pairing with other things, which doesn't really work IMO. On the other hand, Primacy of Beasts pairs well with many things.

3. One of the main arguments for picking Dreaming Songstress this turn is that we'll need a buffer to deal with any fallout. So any physical, mental, or emotional damage. What better follow-up to a tribulation about our intimacy than thinking about how much to give a take in a situation, AFTER we've gotten a new advanced insight on that topic too?

So Frozen Desire can work better as a follow-up to our tribulation than a current project. While Primacy of Beasts connects well with lots of things we're doing right now.

I don't understand so many votes towards that plan...

@Neshuakadal, @Alectai, @NoxOfUmbra, @RentingViewer, @Erebeal, @Thor's Twin, @Oliver_Twister, @PowerLeca, etc.

P.S. For reference:

Primacy of Beasts: Learn the song of nature, the melody of tooth and claw. Where lies the line between beasts and men, which brings us to war? Mere greed and pride, or something more? Alters the primal War Calling into the Vermin God's Legion technique. +1 XP to Want and Power. Unlocks one Project(0/3)

Eye of Grudges: You have received your offer of tutelage from an apprentice of Cai Shenhua herself, the enigmatic Shu Yue. A lesson on seeing and understanding. A lesson on what lies behind others eyes. A chance, perhaps to advance your stagnating perception arts, if the lesson takes. (Opens the cultivation of a Successor Art to Silent Songseekers regard. +1 XP to Want, Isolation and Power. +30 XP to spiritual cultivation.)
 
[X] Plan Face Your Demons

Finally time to pay respects! I also approve the cultivation choices and swapping a personnal action for a professional one.

One thing we really have to do next turn is "House of Ling". Ling Qi's mother is supposed to greet some of the Diao envoys. And the noble family who tried to ruin her life (and succeeded for a while) are Diao vassals.

Realistically, the odds of members of that clan being part of the delegation would be pretty low. But from a storytelling perspective? That's a different story.
 
I don't get it, really, I DON'T GET IT!! What the hell does the plan "Face Your Demons" have for so many people to vote for it!?

With arguments like those:





I don't understand so many votes towards that plan...

@Neshuakadal, @Alectai, @NoxOfUmbra, @RentingViewer, @Erebeal, @Thor's Twin, @Oliver_Twister, @PowerLeca, etc.

P.S. For reference:

Firstly, I agree with you. But everyone has their preferences so you gotta argue for it to convince them. I'm not willing to tempt fate rn since I have everything I want (Bastion, Dreaming Songstress, and more Xuan Shi screen time). Idk, maybe I'll change my mind. I did that with the last turn vote.

I think it has a lot of problems, but I'm largely okay with Frozen Desire (for now). People really want to cultivate FFS. I'll just be really annoyed if the push for more FFS projects in the later turns continues because it'll be SSC/FFS/X, and that doesn't leave room for our other arts.

Secondly, I don't think people would like it if you ping them like this.
 
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