Probably, yeah.
Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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Yeah, much better.
I uhhhh, forgot Ashfall Doesn't have ally immunity.
I'm sure Zhenli wouldn't have.
Arkeus
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The reasoning for Ling Qi taking so long pre breakthrough in late yellow was because we wanted to finish up everything and there was a belief we had 'rushed' mid yellow from some of the thread. However, Suyin did the opposite, only getting to late when she had basically over-levelled yellow already. As such, I don't think we can simply take what Ling Qi did and then multiply it by 2, as the very reason she took twice as long earlier was because she wasn't mainlining base at all.
Given how you can begin working on your breakthrough before all your preparations are finished, I wouldn't be surprised if Suyin had already begun working on it, or if Han Jian likewise did before the tournament.
Now, the big issue for the actual "time taking doing the breakthrough" in your calculation I can see is that it seems you are taking a "one week turn is the same as one month turn" point of view? Ling Qi took 1 week for breaking through green, and then a month to break through bronze while taking it easy. While Ling Qi likely has higher Talent, Suyin has more mental progress and also likely better drugs than what Ling Qi had- and more of them.
My tl;dr here is that I think Suyin getting fully Green/Bronze month 4/5 is what we should be expecting considering the much better resources she has access to in inner sect compared to outer sect, and that we shouldn't try to use "worst of last year tournament peep" as a scale for "3rd best of tournament peep when there is a ducal winner". Why so many outer sect people have issues getting to green is in good part because of lack of need/motivation, which doesn't translate to the case of someone in the inner sect at all, especially when we are taking into account Suyin's superior ressources.
She should still be 15, so yes.
Keeping in mind that as a Production student she'd likely have a much sparser Art suite. Her 'preparations' I think, would mainly involve Mastering a whole bunch of arts for mastery bonuses, preparing a bunch of "ends in Green 1" arts to populate her domain.
The Inner Sect libraries are WAY better for the purpose of building your Green Breaktrhough masteries than the Outer Sect. I'd not be surprised if her mentor suggested she hold off for that reason.
The privacy is going to be huge. Like, a big chunk of how you challenge a Production student is knowing what they do, because they rely on one off wonders for challenges. Testing them means being sensed by those info brokers with powerful perception arts.
...so Suyin has a secret test site protected by Elder formations nobody outside the Core Sect can even detect or approach, and if they did they'd still need specialized equipment to go in there.
She also has a mentor training her in the Dao of the Hikikomori.
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Totally. A great part of this secret spot is that it is in the outer sect grounds. After all Ling qi went there on a mission in the outer sect. So for someone that even has the skills to bybass those formations they would need to get the paper work to go there first. I find it hard to believe that someone would request to go there off of a whim. If an outer sect student is lucky enough or stubborn enough to get through those formations this is their likely thought process.
"Wow that was weird! I wonder what the elders are hiding here? Oh a hole in the ground... Well I am here might as well see what is down there! Man this hole is deep. That is strange I feel funny." Thud and their dead.
It most likely does not act that quickly but I do wonder how team SuSu managed to figure out that they need a clean air source for the exploration. It doesn't seem like the most intuitive thing to figure out. Are there like Geiger counters or something that let cultivators know about dangerous environments?
I mean having basically private access to this site for 10 years is huge. This is not a site like an argent vent that is only useful for cultivation. This is a gauntlet site. A place where Suyin can test her ideas in a dangerous and real life situations that she has some control over. She can just keep throwing ideas and puppets down here and just see how far she can get each time. This is a site that will continue to test her and her creations for likely beyond even 10 years. That chasm was really deep.
The lessons that she learns from these depths will greatly shape her path on the mountain of cultivation. I am super excited to see what lessons she learns from this dive as we create a frozen wall of flesh to protect her.
Mother Earth + Father Sky + White Room make that assertion questionable at best man
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I don't see why?
We know that Inner Sect students have access to breakthrough pills, and it was hinted fairly hard that even in the outer sect some had those (Han Jian implied he used some to get to yellow). One of those pills was really good (the reroll + don't lose any success one) but the +5% from the other as well as white room are mediocre at best (maybe mean an extra action used overall).
The odds of Suyin having better drugs than those are near-certain, given she has access to one of the better crafters of the lower 500s as her patron and she herself is pretty damn good with pills.
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No we dont.
We flat out dont. Its why those medicines are so valuable. Maybe they can be made or purchased, but they are by no means commonly available.
Alectai
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I would say though that Suyin's likely on a route that'll let her design Breakthrough Drugs though.
Being able to interact directly with Impurities to pull them out rather than just kind of try to crowd them out with Qi is exactly what you probably want to make breakthroughs easier.
Possibly why the Sect gave her such a goldilocks deal with her ten year monopoly, because working out a meridian-opening procedure on that level (Which we've established is one of the biggest things Talent normally does for you) is a good sign in that direction I imagine, and Breakthrough Medicines are almost priceless
Being able to interact directly with Impurities to pull them out rather than just kind of try to crowd them out with Qi is exactly what you probably want to make breakthroughs easier.
Possibly why the Sect gave her such a goldilocks deal with her ten year monopoly, because working out a meridian-opening procedure on that level (Which we've established is one of the biggest things Talent normally does for you) is a good sign in that direction I imagine, and Breakthrough Medicines are almost priceless
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Ten years is barely an eyeblink to a cultivator. Just saying.
Alectai
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Only the highest level ones, 10 years for a second or third realm is quite generous, and it's solid even for fourth realm.
Remember, the functional age cap for a White is 1,000 years. Everyone else is below that. 10 years is a lot for someone who'll only live to 150-200 or so.
200 years is second realm-ish. That'd be the equivalent to what, four years-ish normal human time? That's actually significantly shorter than US copyright, which default at 50-70 years.
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For a Yellow who's never going to make it to Green, and who's already reached their first century, a decade is not a particularly long time. Indeed, for most Cultivators, a decade is not a particularly long time, as they have lived ten times as long already, if not longer.
For a fifteen year old, a decade is two-thirds of their life-span to that point, and by the end of it is two-fifths of their life, whether they be mortal or immortal.
For a talented, dedicated, and wealthy fifteen year old, a decade is long enough to go from Mortal to Cyan. Li Suyin may or may not be the first, but she's definitely the second and sole access to this region and the resources it contains make her the third - and she's already Late Silver/Late Yellow.
Alectai
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She's in the Sect with a commoner (If the upper echelons of it)'s level of income. Chances are good she's Talent 5, and it's unlikely she's below 4. That she hasn't broken through already is because Production spec is a gigantic money and time pit that you throw stuff into that doesn't actually help your base cultivation much, but in exchange makes you quite literally a priceless strategic asset at higher levels.
It's important enough that we know the Sect massages challenge rules to help Production spec along despite their tendency to have their base cultivation lag a bit compared to the full combat track specialists.
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The problem with this analogy is that this location isn't a work of art that is protected under copyright laws. It's a location that holds exclusive and rare materials. If we're talking products, then a normal patent term is about 20 years. If we're talking exclusivity for drugs (which seems to be the most on-point legal restriction currently) then those go from the longest which seems to be 7 years to the shortest which is 180 days.
So in terms of modern legal precedent, A ten-year exclusivity agreement for an entire site chock full of rare and powerful reagents is exceedingly generous. In terms of Argent Sect, it still seems particularly generous when you consider it is the Argent Sect's property and they can get way more use out of it by having hordes of yellow production masters use the materials to create items similar to the Impurity Devourer.
Suyin is a big worry wart and needs her weirdo senpai to keep kicking her in the ass to stop faffing about tryingnfor the perfect breakthrough and just get on with it.
The treadmill doesn't stop once you get to the next level it accelerates
The treadmill doesn't stop once you get to the next level it accelerates
My read was the staff were bureaucratically dragging their heels figuring out what's to do with it after Jiao purged off all the big scary gribblies and if some Sect students want to poke around that's an opportunity to show their quality and if they get ate welp that's a useful data point too
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Frankly, Suyin being given an Exclusivity thing on it for Ten Years as a second realm Production Track student when there are doubtless many qualified Third and Fourth Realm Sect Disciples fully capable of exploiting the potential bounties of that pit is a massive show of trust.
Because they expect for Suyin to specialize in exploiting that incredibly valuable resource.
They are, essentially, grooming her for a role in setting up a foundation for regular exploitation of that cave down the line. It's really quite clever, since abusing impurity cores in such a manner is something that the Elders themselves aren't truly capable of. But leaving it in the hands of a fresh Cultivator that has not yet formed her own Domain, and is exceptionally skilled at Crafting that has already demonstrated a talent for iterating new and clever designs despite being a Cultivator for less than a year?
That's just a surefire way to chain Suyin and the products derived from her Innovations to the Sect itself, and it's own prestige. Naturally, Suyin also benefits handsomely from access to those materials and the ability of the Sect to help her distribute them, but it's a mutually beneficial thing.
And should Suyin bite off more than she can chew?
Well, at least it was a relative nobody that stumbled upon the flaws in the process to be avoided in the future, rather than a more valuable and mature Inner Sect or Core Sect disciple.
Because they expect for Suyin to specialize in exploiting that incredibly valuable resource.
They are, essentially, grooming her for a role in setting up a foundation for regular exploitation of that cave down the line. It's really quite clever, since abusing impurity cores in such a manner is something that the Elders themselves aren't truly capable of. But leaving it in the hands of a fresh Cultivator that has not yet formed her own Domain, and is exceptionally skilled at Crafting that has already demonstrated a talent for iterating new and clever designs despite being a Cultivator for less than a year?
That's just a surefire way to chain Suyin and the products derived from her Innovations to the Sect itself, and it's own prestige. Naturally, Suyin also benefits handsomely from access to those materials and the ability of the Sect to help her distribute them, but it's a mutually beneficial thing.
And should Suyin bite off more than she can chew?
Well, at least it was a relative nobody that stumbled upon the flaws in the process to be avoided in the future, rather than a more valuable and mature Inner Sect or Core Sect disciple.
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Why are you assuming guts and gore or nipping at a nasty piece of work upsets it? It's clothing. Its job is to protect its wearer (among other Shenhua-related things).
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...you uh..need to work on that reading comprehension buddy. I'm pretty sure angel was joking about the guts thing. And I was specifically replying to the whole "gain sentience" aspect of the dress . That people were referring to.
I think the last update mentioned that the gown rather violently expelled any shit on it, leaving Qi arms dirty only. I guess that might make the gown grumpy, if it can be grumpy.
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I'm not sure that's a sign of sentience.
That gown has a non-zero amount of Order* Qi in it, I'm sure that repels messes on a conceptual level, especially Impurity gore.
*Or whatever variety Shenhua used for Liming. Weave, or Design, or even Pattern would all be accessible to Shenhua. She probably used something fairly basic though, until Rennie can work her way up to the more adanced one.
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They are definitely readily available. Maybe you are playing on words with 'common', which is not something I have said. We know that there were quests, while in outer sect, to provide ingredients to made breakthrough pills. As such those ingredients aren't hard to get (though it's likely those weren't the rarest of the ones needed), and inner sect students who can make breakthrough pills are there.
I know there is a desire to make everything Ling Qi got to be super special, but those pills? they are expensive, but they aren't exactly hard for an inner sect student to get comparable ones- or better ones, really. For Suyin, who is knee deep into production and has a direct contact to some of the best production disciples, it's super easy.
Breakthrough medicines? They are easy mode compared to meridian medicines she can already do.
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Could you quote where you got that information? Because I disagree with this quite strongly. We can see the description of breakthrough drugs in week 31 part 1.
"Medicines that affected breakthroughs were rare and extremely expensive and rare, so much so that Elder Su had only briefly mentioned how to recognize them"
Are you arguing that something extremely rare would be easy for a low level inner sect member to get? I find that hard to believe.