I have no idea hw we'd accomplish this, but it's not actually completely out of the realm of possibility. maybe if we had an extra apothecary training option?
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Why is it I hear medical space marine chapter first thing that comes to mind is Dr.House
Super Ogryn: "You see, you're not dealing with the average Ogryn warrior anymore."
Enemy: "I feel like we've been here before. Have we been here before?"
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I don't think they are compatible and the work to make it so is probably far too costly for what amounts to like, maybe slightly better Ogryns
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Simple fact is that the High Lords are the "only" ones who can institute a founding. Retaining enough gene seed to found a successor is actual Heresy. One of the ONLY justifiable reasons the Inquisition had against the Astral Claws (the future Chaos pirates called the Red Corsairs) was that their chapter master Huron was making himself a pseudo-legion out of the gene-seed he was supposed to tithe to the Mechanicus.
Edit: referencing the Badab War
It has to do with the near-hard limit of around 1000 Astartes the chapters are limited to. It is one of the checks on the Space Marines the Imperium has on them, limiting their ability to reproduce.
Edit: Rare is the chapter that can circumvent these limits, usually a reputation thing, sometimes its an instability of gene-seed, and most of the time it's a FOLLOW THE CODEX LIKE A BIBLE thing
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think the reason Huron even did all that was because he took in a chapter that was almost destroyed and had them wear his chapter armors and because the rest of the imperium refused to send him more resources and reinforcements to help maintain and expand taking back that area of space leaving him shorthanded and desperate to figure out a way to fulfill his duty
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Yeah...sounds like Imperium once again shot themselves in the foot. Fucking congratulations!
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The Tiger Claws was 1 company strong if that. He like the flexibility an additional company gave him and over many years slowly amassed a lot of Astartes. I think at his height he had something like 3000 Astral Claws/Tiger Claws under his command. He was, IMO, justified but the fact he had a dedicated unit to stealing gene seed from his supposed allies means he crossed the line somewhere.
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a line that would never have been within sight if his reinforcement requests were actually approved
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he was given a mission and told to complete
did his best to complete, was starting to get results
asked for additional help, was refused
was starting to get backstabbed by the administration who took the taxes from the sector but refused to give him help
started doing dubious but no outright illegal things in order to uphold his duty and complete his mission
began witholding the taxes from the admin in order to try to force them to send help to the sector
imperium decides instead to send a force to punish them for rebelling
did not even fall to chaos yet
eventually fell as the fight goes on as huron sees all his work destroyed and undone by his own supposed allies.
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To be fair, the one time he tried to expand the Imperium's border he had the Black Templars and it went well...until Hive Fleet Behemoth hit Ultramar and the Templars had to pull back leaving Huron overextended and alone.
He was fucked over by circumstance and he was pushed to the edge, but his pride did him in.
I'm not disagreeing. In fact, I agree strongly. He gave really good reasons for his proposals but politics did him in.
The fault of the Badab war lies at the feet of the Inquisition and the extortionist tax laws of the Empire.
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Speaking of numbers how many strike teams of light bringers or company of DP you guys think would have been at Vrak
Consider Blood Angels geneseed
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Before Alpha Legion involvement none. After the reveal and the fuck up of the Dark Angels, probably a Company or 2.
I think DP would have sent 1 company at the start if they felt I would be the start again of age of apostate
Edit: Dark Angels messing the guard and the DP over to hide the 'fallen' very obviously would happen
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Yes, but the thing is that Grimm has a Mandate to continually make Space Marine Chapters, so having 1 chapter which helps him do this task (or not even a chapter, just a group of them trained as Genetors to help him) should not be that complicated to do with politics, we could reason that this could even make the foundings faster
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create a chapter to defend his region of space/ad mech space who happen to have a lot of apothecariesYes, but the thing is that Grimm has a Mandate to continually make Space Marine Chapters, so having 1 chapter which helps him do this task (or not even a chapter, just a group of them trained as Genetors to help him) should not be that complicated to do with politics, we could reason that this could even make the foundings faster
I would think it would be a hell no ftom everyone. But us having a company dedicated for bodyguards for us is a mabeyYes, but the thing is that Grimm has a Mandate to continually make Space Marine Chapters, so having 1 chapter which helps him do this task (or not even a chapter, just a group of them trained as Genetors to help him) should not be that complicated to do with politics, we could reason that this could even make the foundings faster
I feel like making an entire Space Marine Chapter dedicated to help Grimm on his duties is possible but it'd require Grimm to burn a lot, and I mean, a lot of reputation just to have the High Lords approve of it and even then, they'd be looked upon with suspicion until, like, when Roboute Guilliman revives 10,000 years later.Yes, but the thing is that Grimm has a Mandate to continually make Space Marine Chapters, so having 1 chapter which helps him do this task (or not even a chapter, just a group of them trained as Genetors to help him) should not be that complicated to do with politics, we could reason that this could even make the foundings faster
it is just an idea, whathever QM decides that this would give us a benefit is another thing, but i think that Grimm would like a froup of people to assist him in his many task as genetors who are to a somewhat reasonable level of skill according to him.
And again it does not need to be a full chapter, maybe a company
And again it does not need to be a full chapter, maybe a company
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One thing is certain, with Grimm's skills as Genetor and his knowledge about Space Marines' Geneseed, he would be increcibly dangerous if he became a Heretek.
I now want to see Fabius Bile trying to recruit, and or talk to Grimm Scientist to Scientist, and Grimm just Lambasting him kinda like Crawl did in canon, but even better.
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Sounds like an emperor children chapter then, don't recall any other gene line that went as hard into gene stuff as them.
Another chaptere has been beta's and updooted.
He needs competent Genetors not Space Marines. (Apothecaries can somewhat count but an entire founding is a bit out of their wheelhouse).
The closest would be a chapter dedicated to helping with the Gene-Seed tithe buts a very different thing from what most people are proposing.
Including Grimm himself.
He needs competent Genetors not Space Marines. (Apothecaries can somewhat count but an entire founding is a bit out of their wheelhouse).
The closest would be a chapter dedicated to helping with the Gene-Seed tithe buts a very different thing from what most people are proposing.
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