This plan is good. The chapter will definitely need the Deepstrikes, Extra Thunderhawks, and Extra Terminator options as they will be facing off a large variety of enemies now and in the future.[] Plan: So we had one blade mastery; what about the 2nd one
-[] Chapter Name: Grim Blades
-[] Chapter Colors: Dark blue with white/yellow detail
-[] Chapter Symbol: Emperor's sword fused with the Star in a circle
-[] Chapter Creed: "Stand Vigil over Stars"
--[] When fighting with Ultramarines: "As Dorn commanded, we fight against the dark as one."
-[] Blademasters: The Chapter's Marines have honed their skills with the blade, and are among the finest swordsmen in the Imperium.
-[] Deepstrikes: More so than even other Space Marines, this Chapter has gained a mastery of the orbital strikes Adeptus Astartes are famous for.
-[] Boarding Specialists: The Chapter's Marines are truly masters at boarding voidcraft - even by Space Marine standards.
-[] Heavy Weaponry: The Chapter is well supplied with heavy weaponry, and can field a larger proportion of Devastator squads.
-[] Extra Thunderhawks: The Chapter has access to additional Thunderhawks, of both Gunship, Transporter and Annihilator models, giving them superior heavy air power.
-[] Extra Terminator Armor
I welcome feedback for the fluff (which once again was forgotten)
The Long Founding (Warhammer 40k)
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Well historically Samurai were primarily horse archers , so yeah we can get Samurai Astartes if we chose White Scars then picked the planet with horses specialty then get the Blademaster and Marksman ability.
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Doesn't the deepstrike trait seem incredibly counter to our current chapters defense specialty? Because deep strike is all about going deep into enemy territory, which seems like it would make the defense specialty a lot less effective.
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Deepstrike is the planetary attack option it's not useful if we want to focus on boarding which is what out planet choice favors heavily.
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I just wanted to use that meme for some time now.
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Dawn of War 1s voice acting is immortal for a reason.
We should probably live up to being the Shield of Ultramar.
In that case, I suggest Deepstrikes and Boarding Specialist: mainly for synergy reasons, but also for being the main attack doctrine of this chapter.
Entrenchment, due to the simple fact that we're the Shield of Ultramar and such, we must live up to the expectation. I want this chapter's planet to be more fortified than Cadia that not even Mortarion and his Death Guards can breach it and enable them to suffer the experiences of Dorn's son experienced when they went into that Iron Cage willingly.
For equipment, Heavy Weaponry and Extra Thunderhawks compliment their main attack doctrine whilst complimenting their specialty in fortifications, like air support and laying down suppressive five via land and air.
In that case, I suggest Deepstrikes and Boarding Specialist: mainly for synergy reasons, but also for being the main attack doctrine of this chapter.
Entrenchment, due to the simple fact that we're the Shield of Ultramar and such, we must live up to the expectation. I want this chapter's planet to be more fortified than Cadia that not even Mortarion and his Death Guards can breach it and enable them to suffer the experiences of Dorn's son experienced when they went into that Iron Cage willingly.
For equipment, Heavy Weaponry and Extra Thunderhawks compliment their main attack doctrine whilst complimenting their specialty in fortifications, like air support and laying down suppressive five via land and air.
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Ultramar has Generalists, what it needs are specialists for hard tasks.
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Again, while Heavy Weapons are good for siege and open battle, they DO NOT preform well in both deepstrike or boarding operations. Heavy weapons bigger then a heavy bolter cannot be used on ships for fear of breaching the hull and deep shrikes rely on mobility, something devastators are not known for. Thunderhawks are fine though.
Adrian XXIV
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So Boarding, Deep Strikes, Specialist Ammo, Extra Terminators & Thunderhawks
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Yeah, that is great combination. Oooooh, they will be awesome and we could basically name them something to spite Black Templars. I think something that would do something with other famous Heresy Imperial Fists.
Dream Logic
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Perhaps I'm being overly literal, but I thought that Terminator weapons were in that class? Maybe not the stormbolters, but definitely things like the heavy flamer or assault cannon. I'd be shocked if they can't mount some plasma-devastator variants either. Doubly so since we're not limited by what's already in lore.
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I think Heavy Weaponry is not as needed given we will have more plasma Weaponry thanks to homeworld, and I imagine they are safer than usual ones.
Adrian XXIV
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Fists Exemplar - First Space Marine Chapter that fell to Chaos (loyalists were "incorporated" into "Imperial Fists Chapter")
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I was thinking more about named character.
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No one has refuted my point that it seems counter to our current chapters defense heavy specialty to go with Deep Strikes because it seems like our chapter wouldn't actually be able to make use of their specialty not defense.
Seriously, what is the reasoning for that?
Seriously, what is the reasoning for that?
Dream Logic
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Historically terminators have been the premier boarding specialists in Astartes warfare. Most famously they are used for clearing Space Hulks where their armor and access to heavier weaponry can be leveraged most effectively. We've got breach cutters, that's a good way to insert them.
Similarly their teleportation ability allows them to be used for deep strikes with more reliability and speed then drop pod insertion. Terminators are often held in reserve so that they can be used to turn the tide of a losing battle or turn stalemates into routs.
Deep Strikes and fortification specialty actually do have some other synergies. Most importantly that the Astartes are often expected to take and hold important locations while other forces do the grunt work. This combination specifically favors that sort of approach (alongside making counter boarding even worse for the attackers of course).
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Okay, point for Deep Strikes here.
Hmm, recall that it maybe possible to exchange an equipment slot for another skill training one. Could we do that here? Thinking of doing so to get deep strikes and entrenchment and it has been pointed out that heavy ordinance doesn't really work well in close quarter combat.
Hmm, recall that it maybe possible to exchange an equipment slot for another skill training one. Could we do that here? Thinking of doing so to get deep strikes and entrenchment and it has been pointed out that heavy ordinance doesn't really work well in close quarter combat.
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Yeah, especially given they have a larger amount of plasma weaponry so they don't to worry about bringing heavy stuff.
Dream Logic
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I feel like it really depends on how Undead wants to handle Termies here. They have a lot of options that would be heavy or even vehicle mounted on other units. While they don't have a plasma gun on tabletop it seems almost sacrilegious that this chapter's terms couldn't field some plasma devastator variant.
Plus, even in Space Hulk operations they bring a squad member or two with assault cannons or heavy flamers.
The bigger downside I see is that most Terminator options are weighted towards assaulTermininators. So any new options will be homebrew.
Plus, even in Space Hulk operations they bring a squad member or two with assault cannons or heavy flamers.
The bigger downside I see is that most Terminator options are weighted towards assaulTermininators. So any new options will be homebrew.
Honestly, a few heavy flamers don't really justify going the extra heavy weapons rout. Given that the chapter will already be close combat specialists.
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So how do people feel about the idea of trading an equipment slot for another training one? Thanks to our rolls we pretty much good on equipment due to getting plasma equipment/weaponry and a free Termie slot. And on top of that the Thunderhawk seems like the only thing that would really synergies with our intended build.
So I think the training options of Blade Masters, Deep Strike, Boarding and entrenchment would give us maximum possible synergy with this chapter. What do people think?
So I think the training options of Blade Masters, Deep Strike, Boarding and entrenchment would give us maximum possible synergy with this chapter. What do people think?
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Actually, Terminators do have a Plasma weapon! Specifically, they get the Plasma Blaster, which is a Plasma Storm Bolter - two plasma guns integrated together!
.... Which were lost by the time of 40k. But who knows? You might still have them!
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I'm all for it. Was waiting for the revised plan before voting opens.