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The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest

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Susano said:
I mean, we wouldn't come as supplicants but as, potentially, co-conspirators. We are not hoping that he does us or Rhea a favour; we are hoping he sees hoew this action is also in his own interest.

And if he can't separate politucal business from slight personal irritations, then he really shouldn't be the Hand.
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We did have Otto be uninterested in talking with us after we had our test for the Kingsguard, and Otto has complained that we've been ignoring his opinion. Regardless though the question is how do you convince Otto that annulling a marriage that Daemon hates and has been unable to obtain political advantage from so far is in Otto's own interest. If anything Otto has been trying to have Daemon spend more time in Runestone, not less, and we're off to a poor start right now given our relationship with him just degraded.
 
Imperious said:
We did have Otto be uninterested in talking with us after we had our test for the Kingsguard, and Otto has complained that we've been ignoring his opinion. Regardless though the question is how do you convince Otto that annulling a marriage that Daemon hates and has been unable to obtain political advantage from so far is in Otto's own interest. If anything Otto has been trying to have Daemon spend more time in Runestone, not less, and we're off to a poor start right now given our relationship with him just degraded.
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You are completely missing Ottos reasoning. He doesn't want Daemon in Runestone. He wants him away from Kings Landing. And with the stunt Daemon pulled on Dragonstone, sending him to a important fief where he's arguably in charge is the last thing Otto would want.
 
Imperious said:
We did have Otto be uninterested in talking with us after we had our test for the Kingsguard, and Otto has complained that we've been ignoring his opinion. Regardless though the question is how do you convince Otto that annulling a marriage that Daemon hates and has been unable to obtain political advantage from so far is in Otto's own interest. If anything Otto has been trying to have Daemon spend more time in Runestone, not less, and we're off to a poor start right now given our relationship with him just degraded.
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Otto wanted Daemon in Runestilone so he wouldn't lounge around in the capital as political opponent anymore. Well, that's now moot anyway.

And any reasons Otto might have had for oppiding an annulment of the marriage became moot when Daemon took a new wife anyway. If Rhea doesn't stop Daemon from new marriages anyway, why shouldn't he now keep Rhea around in the hope of Runefort? Which now might hence be something Otto would dislike, too.
 
im currently waffling between going to Viserys directly or getting Jayne and/or Otto's help, i can see strong arguments for both.

side note: we get 3 actions per turn now after the wedding, correct? i think dedicating that extra slot purely to martial training is a good idea.
it opens us up for diplomacy training which we realy need (i don't feel great about relying on ✨️natural charm✨️ to smooth over any stumbles), and the 3rd slot can alternate between dragon riding and learning an instrument or whatever else ppl think we need.
 
[X] [Rhea] Promise that you will bring up the matter with some people. Speak with Lady Arryn yourself and present Rhea as potential ally for her. Speak with Otto before approaching your father.

[X] [Jeyne] "I wanted to see what it is like to dance with a woman, and perhaps make a friend who understands."
 
CharlieKing said:
im currently waffling between going to Viserys directly or getting Jayne and/or Otto's help, i can see strong arguments for both.

side note: we get 3 actions per turn now after the wedding, correct? i think dedicating that extra slot purely to martial training is a good idea.
it opens us up for diplomacy training which we realy need (i don't feel great about relying on ✨️natural charm✨️ to smooth over any stumbles), and the 3rd slot can alternate between dragon riding and learning an instrument or whatever else ppl think we need.
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My concern is that going to Viserys directly will see him dismiss the idea as our romantic streak shining through or some other reason to dismiss it out of hand.

Getting Otto and Jeyne on board makes it clear that this is a political move we put sone thought into and has backing by sensible people and affected parties.
 
Azel said:
My concern is that going to Viserys directly will see him dismiss the idea as our romantic streak shining through or some other reason to dismiss it out of hand.

Getting Otto and Jeyne on board makes it clear that this is a political move we put sone thought into and has backing by sensible people and affected parties.
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i hesitate because Otto might care more about keeping Daemon away from King's Landing than Daemon's possible shenanigans in the Vale. Although, if we get Jayne on board first, it might help sway things in our favor.
What is the carrot for Jayne to help Rhea besides "possible ally"? in concrete terms how can they help eachother?
 
[X] [Rhea] Promise that you will bring up the matter with some people. Speak with Lady Arryn yourself and present Rhea as potential ally for her. Speak with Otto before approaching your father.

[X] [Jeyne] "I wanted to see what it is like to dance with a woman, and perhaps make a friend who understands."

I'll go with this.
 
CharlieKing said:
i hesitate because Otto might care more about keeping Daemon away from King's Landing than Daemon's possible shenanigans in the Vale. Although, if we get Jayne on board first, it might help sway things in our favor.
What is the carrot for Jayne to help Rhea besides "possible ally"? in concrete terms how can they help eachother?
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Daemon is currently in the Stepstones, so he's already far away from Kings Landing and if he returns it's most likely he will head to Driftmark on account of his new wife.

As for Jayne, there's not much we can directly offer right now, though I hope she realises that the future Queen Regnant and a current Lady Regnant might be helpful allies to get the people trying to replace her to shut up.
 
[X] [Rhea] Promise that you will bring up the matter with some people. Speak with Lady Arryn yourself and present Rhea as potential ally for her. Speak with Otto before approaching your father.

[X] [Jeyne] "I wanted to see what it is like to dance with a woman, and perhaps make a friend who understands."
 
Azel said:
As for Jayne, there's not much we can directly offer right now, though I hope she realises that the future Queen Regnant and a current Lady Regnant might be helpful allies to get the people trying to replace her to shut up.
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"All these Westermen at court these days. My court will draw from the Vale as is only right and proper. Perhaps get some of the more troublesome lordlings out of your hair?"

Anyway:

[X][Rhea] Agree to speak to your father about this matter on her behalf.

[X][Jeyne] "I wanted to see what it is like to dance with a woman, and perhaps make a friend who understands."

Making friends with Jeyne really was the point of the thing, and she's been candid enough that we can return the favor. And I don't see the Rhea-facing option as setting forth what we intend to do, rather only what we intend to say to her. I think she'd more appreciate simply being told we'll petition daddy on her behalf rather than being told a clockwork plan that might fall apart. The latter looks like being given the runaround.

Which is not to say we can't or shouldn't seek Jeyne's and Otto's and sundry's support for annulling Rhea's marriage, only that we don't necessarily have to tell her about it in advance.
 
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Ghost in the sun said:
Dunno, maybe Jeyne can convince Rhea to consider people of her own faction to marry instead of her cousin faction.
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is an Arryn cousin/Rhea Royce marriage doable, no conflicts or complications we should watch out for? if so, that's definetly a good idea and would like to bring it up as a possibility
 
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[X] [Rhea] Promise that you will bring up the matter with some people. Speak with Lady Arryn yourself and present Rhea as potential ally for her. Speak with Otto before approaching your father.

[X] [Jeyne] "I wanted to see what it is like to dance with a woman, and perhaps make a friend who understands."
 
[X][Rhea] Agree to speak to your father about this matter on her behalf.

[X][Jeyne] "I wanted to see what it is like to dance with a woman, and perhaps make a friend who understands."
 
[X][Rhea] Agree to speak to your father about this matter on her behalf.

[X][Jeyne] "I wanted to see what it is like to dance with a woman, and perhaps make a friend who understands."
 
Sparda demon said:
[X] [Rhea] Promets que tu aborderas le sujet avec certaines personnes. Parle-toi-même à Lady Arryn et présente Rhea comme une alliée potentielle pour elle. Parle à Otto avant de rapprocher ton père.
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[X] [Jeyne] "Je voulais voir ce que c'est que de danser avec une femme, et peut-être me faire une amie qui comprend."
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Ah, n'oublie pas que tu dois traduire tes votes et tes commentaires en anglais pour éviter d'être réprimandé par un modérateur !
 
Kufufu said:
Ah, n'oublie pas que tu dois traduire tes votes et tes commentaires en anglais pour éviter d'être réprimandé par un modérateur !
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Better use a Translator to English,I forgot sometimes too.

By the way, does the disapproval of others surprise anyone? Because I don't, I understand the Westerlings, Rhaenyra is stealing the attention and everyone will remember that about the wedding, that's why her stepmother is probably angry, the same would happen regardless if the stepmother was from another House (I mean, I don't know if Laena would be angry, but Corlys would definitely be).
 
[] [Jeyne] "I wanted to see what it is like to dance with a woman, and perhaps make a friend who understands."

Is this locking us into the Lesbian/Bi route or is it literally "this was fun I hope we can be friends as you understand what being a female ruler is like"
 
[X][Rhea] Agree to speak to your father about this matter on her behalf.

[X][Jeyne] "I wanted to see what it is like to dance with a woman, and perhaps make a friend who understands."
 
[X] [Rhea] Promise that you will bring up the matter with some people. Speak with Lady Arryn yourself and present Rhea as potential ally for her. Speak with Otto before approaching your father.
[X] [Jeyne] "I wanted to see what it is like to dance with a woman, and perhaps make a friend who understands."
 
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