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The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest

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Simon_Jester said:
I mean, you're right. I'm just saying that if we DO see a threat early in Rhaenyra's reign from a much younger half-brother of hers, that's the form it's going to take. It's going to be someone, Corlys or Daemon or both or separately Otto or who-knows-who, trying to advance the boy's claim among people who really, really just don't want Rhaenyra to be in charge and are willing to disregard the expected line of succession to avoid that outcome.

Like, looking at the quest alone, I imagine that Unwin Peake would absolutely back a prominent nobleman who was trying to give the Iron Throne over to a two-year-old boy, if it meant not having Rhaenyra as his queen.
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Hm. As I was just made aware... there would also be the Queen Dowager. Johanna would have a position that isn't per se powerful, but socially influential and famous, and thus able to draw supporters. And given her homophobia, if she ever finds out about us and Alicent, she also would have a motivation to try to crown one of her own kids instead.

Maybe even if she won't get a son, come to think of it. But definitely if she has a son and finds out about us.
 
Zimmerwald1915 said:
Might I humbly suggest that we generously offer to squire those of our siblings who have knightly futures (including Helaena) ourselves? Who could possibly be better suited?
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I would like to point out that even if Heleana may share Rhaenyra and Maegor's Wall of Meat constitution that doesn't mean that she also shares our interests...

For all we know she could be the girliest of the twins...
 
Fanhunter696 said:
Well, if narrative has anything to do with the number, age and/or gender of the babies, Johanna's first male chid in the books was born when both of his sisters were teenagers, so I doubt that the realm is going to rally agaisnt us behind a literal child...
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Such a topic was spoken about earlier in the quest, two major things, Teen Spirit is randomly rolling for genders of children, and the biological sex of children is determined by the father not the mother. Cannon Viserys was pretty close to neutral on the matter, maybe slightly leaning towards male children over female. So we would expect Johanna's canon husband, Jason Lannister, is more likely to repeat having more female children than male. However number of children is an indicator of Johanna's virility so we could have more half-siblings but that is a two-person equation.

Basically don't just suspect that we're not going to get a half-brother, for many reasons its very likely to happen.
 
Viserys and Joanna can just deny any training what so ever. Especially Joanna will not accept any weapons training and why are people interested in teaching rhaenyras half sisters to be knights? As princesses, such training is the last thing they need.
 
FallenDawn said:
Viserys and Joanna can just deny any training what so ever. Especially Joanna will not accept any weapons training and why are people interested in teaching rhaenyras half sisters to be knights? As princesses, such training is the last thing they need.
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I should point out this is a potrait of Johanna in canon



You may notice the sword and armor, this is a woman who led men into battle. Our Rhaenyra is definitely more of a fighter than her but she's not a hardline traditionalist when it comes to women's role in society. She's horrifically homophobic, well against women at least, but she's not a conservative housewife.
 
Wasn't there a Joanna in the river lands who want to be a knight or something? Or are they the same person.

I don't mind giving knight train to the twin princesses, but what I'm wary about is how the eyes of Westeros will see this. They will see Visery as weak, and can't control his house. So the nobles will demand that he name daemon his heir so that things will go back to "making sense".
 
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Teen Spirit said:
You may notice the sword and armor, this is a woman who led men into battle. Our Rhaenyra is definitely more of a fighter than her but she's not a hardline traditionalist when it comes to women's role in society. She's horrifically homophobic, well against women at least, but she's not a conservative housewife.
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For everyone's information Gyldayn says that Johanna didn't carry a sword into battle. Rather she carried a banner. He does agree that she did wear armor in said battle.

On a somewhat related topic, has Dalton Greyjoy been born yet @Teen Spirit?
 
iggyfan said:
For everyone's information Gyldayn says that Johanna didn't carry a sword into battle. Rather she carried a banner. He does agree that she did wear armor in said battle.
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Still, posing for a portrait holding a naked sword is a deliberate and telling choice for how Johanna wanted to be portrayed—with the heart and stomach of a lord.
 
FallenDawn said:
Viserys and Joanna can just deny any training what so ever. Especially Joanna will not accept any weapons training and why are people interested in teaching rhaenyras half sisters to be knights? As princesses, such training is the last thing they need.
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Hm, well, I don't foresee it happening. Teenspirit pointed out that Johanna herself may not be against it, but there is still too many social expectations speaking against it. Plus, of course - if a female knight takes on female squire that signals starting a system of female knights which is explicitly something Viserys told us would be a step too far. So "all half-siblings who have a knightly future" would probably only mean any half-brothers.

However, as for why we would want that - it would align any half-sisters to us. If they go down that path, than any notion of returning to traditional gender values (like male-preference succession) would threaten their position as well, after all. So there would be a logical reason for wanting to do that.

But I don't foresee it happening. 99 times out of a 100 and more, a Westerosi girl will not develop martial inclinations to begin with.
 
Zimmerwald1915 said:
Still posing for a portrait holding a naked sword is a deliberate and telling choice for how Johanna wanted to be portrayed.
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I don't think that's official art. If you mean the in-universe stories about how Johanna carried a sword into battle, a recurring theme of ASOIAF is that singers will blatantly make things up.
 
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Well, Viserys has explicitly forbidden us from knighting more women... but that is only a very strong push not to do it, rather than an absolute impossibility. Going against it right now would be extremely foolish, but years or even a decade down the line, the situation might very well have sufficiently changed to let us do it without disastrous repercussions.

Mind you, I don't expect it to just happen without work on our part. Visible shows of knightiness, PR efforts, recruiting allies and otherwise building a reputation, etc etc etc.
 
Susano said:
So "all half-siblings who have a knightly future" would probably only mean any half-brothers.
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Even if we limit ourselves or find ourselves limited to squiring boys, offering to squire any half-brothers we may have is still a good idea for exactly the same reasons as offering to squire either of our actually-existing half-sisters who are so inclined: it's an exercise in bonding and cementing ourselves in the young one's mind as a trustworthy and authoritative presence who ought to be followed loyally rather than usurped.
 
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I mean, I agree[1], but the discussion had been centred on the incidental "including Helaena" line.

[1]with the aforementioned caveat that it isn't ours to actually decide, of course
 
Johanna will probably have them taught either way. Whether Rhaenyra doesn't neglect Harrenhall because "we can do so later" and overcomes her irrational fear response enough to help them that way? Who can say.
 
Randino Treviani said:
Johanna will probably have them taught either way. Whether Rhaenyra doesn't neglect Harrenhall because "we can do so later" and overcomes her irrational fear response enough to help them that way? Who can say.
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Hey, I voted for starting with the whole Harrenhal thingy this turn, and I hope that we will tackle the matter head on during the next turn...

When a Targaryen starts to get obsessed with prophecy things tend to go south rather quickly...
 
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