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The Heir of the Dragon: A Rhaenyra Targaryen Quest

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[X] Fly to Dragonstone. Furious. Your uncle had threatened your position and insulted you and your late brother. You are not going to take this quietly. You are going there and you are going to let your pathetic excuse for an uncle know exactly how you felt.

What's the point of having a dragon if you're not going to threaten to burn someone alive every once in a while?
Susano said:
The problem I see with the "do nothing" approach is that the more Otto handles things, the more power he has, of course. If we do nothing, we also have no chance to influence anything.
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I mean, in canon Otto was basically going to accomplish fuck and all with his expedition until Rhaenyra showed up. Dragonstone is one of the most formidable castles on the planet even without a dragon.

As for Daemon potentially killing Otto, it'd be kind of hilarious if that was finally enough to push viserys over the edge and have him go claim a new dragon to confront Daemon with. The butterflies that'd cause lol.
 
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What does an acceptable settlement of this crisis, that is realistically in the Crown's power to achieve, look like? Daemon cannot be brought to heel by us and Syrax (still less by mere men like Otto, unless he's a sorcerer and hasn't told anybody; Hightowers sometimes are), and empowering the Velaryons to police him with their dragons only strengthens them when they already have the most dragons in play of anybody. I think we need to be prepared to give up Dreamfyre's egg, and to look the other way with respect to Daemon's polygamous marriage, in exchange for ending Daemon's squatting on Dragonstone and improving his disposition towards us. There are potentially gains to be made by having a different Targ push the bounds of exceptionalism, while making our ambitions look positively tame by comparison.

And if dad can't bond with a new dragon, he needs to remarry -- and to remarry a [potential] dragonrider at that. The Crown being in as parlous a state as it is, dragon-wise, is not acceptable.

So, does our flying to Dragonstone facilitate that deal? I don't think so, at least not according to the texts of the options given. We explicitly want Dreamfyre's egg, and are probably not prepared to give it up.

[x] Stay in the Red Keep. There is no need for you to take part in Daemon's farce.
 
[X] Fly to Dragonstone. Calm. You just want Baelon's egg back and to put an end to this nonsense. You had been insulted, but you weren't going to indulge Daemon by letting him see you upset.
 
Wiggy said:
What's the point of having a dragon if you're not going to threaten to burn someone alive every once in a while?
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He has a dragon, too. A far, far bigger one. And he is the better rider. We would lose.

Like, if that were some lord or even a lord paramount you'd have a point. But Daemon is a fellow dragonrider.

Zimmerwald1915 said:
What does an acceptable settlement of this crisis, that is realistically in the Crown's power to achieve, look like?
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Look we may only have so many dragons, but the crown does have wealth. Viserys has been a competent enough ruler.

Sooo... acceptable settlement?

"I am so sorry."
Ehem.

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and empowering the Velaryons to police him with their dragons only strengthens them when they already have the most dragons in play of anybody.
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Unlike Daemon they never made any trouble, though. Okay, Corlys is a schemer, but at least he didn't steal a dragon egg and a castle from us. And if you really want to go down that route, to consider all other dragons enemies, well, then having 1 out of 3 dragons would still be a better position than having 1 out of 4 dragons.
 
They could put the place under a "very polite" siege.

Daemon fled with his city watch, and the castle is not exactly placed on a lush island. Forbid the local fishermen from supplying it or encourage them to jack up the prices, and they'll run out within the month, presuming they have no winter supplies stocked up.
 
[X] Fly to Dragonstone. Furious. Your uncle had threatened your position and insulted you and your late brother. You are not going to take this quietly. You are going there and you are going to let your pathetic excuse for an uncle know exactly how you felt.

I was going to go for Calm, but I think this will be Interesting.
 
Imperious said:
I mean if it actually comes down to a fight our uncle would probably kick our ass. The best we could hope for is probably to pull a Daemon and get a mutual kill against the larger dragon, but given Daemon has both the better dragon and the better riding stat our odds on that probably aren't too great. At worst we get to reenact Sunfyre's match with the much larger Meleys.

Coming all furious but without the power to back it up sounds like it would just make us look impotent.
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why even live if we cannot be a girlboss?
 
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People seem surprisingly convinced that Daemon would murder us just for yelling at him, which is, certainly a take.
 
Wiggy said:
People seem surprisingly convinced that Daemon would murder us just for yelling at him, which is, certainly a take.
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I don't think that's necessarily the case, but like I said, getting furious when we don't actually have the power to back any of our angry exclamations seems like it'd just make us look impotent even if it didn't end up coming to a fight.

We do need to get Daemon out of Dragonstone though. The closest male claimant laying claim to and holding that castle is terrible for our legitimacy as heir.
 
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Wiggy said:
People seem surprisingly convinced that Daemon would murder us just for yelling at him, which is, certainly a take.
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No, that all was in response to "hey, we have a dragon!". If we attack with the dragon, he will of course be forced defend himself.

I don't think it will come to battle. We'll just majorly embarrass ourself if we come in furious, because we are childishly yelling at him without being able to actually effect anything. And even if we come in calm, there is nothing we can actually do to make him surrender. And worst case, he is taking us hostage - that seems like something Daemon would in fact potentially do. There are customs for that in Westeros, after all, all very civilized and polite, even.
 
[X] Fly to Dragonstone. Calm. You just want Baelon's egg back and to put an end to this nonsense. You had been insulted, but you weren't going to indulge Daemon by letting him see you upset.

Yeah the problem is if we don't go Otto dies. This might be fine for others but the message it sends to the realm that Daemon can just take Dragonstone, a dragon egg and then kill the Hand and Kingsguard commander would be very bad. Like Otto isn't gonna accomplish anything because of the feud between him and Daemon. So kinda have to go and hopefully call Daemons bluff and not willing to kill Rhaenyra.
 
Susano said:
No, that all was in response to "hey, we have a dragon!". If we attack with the dragon, he will of course be forced defend himself.

I don't think it will come to battle. We'll just majorly embarrass ourself if we come in furious, because we are childishly yelling at him without being able to actually effect anything. And even if we come in calm, there is nothing we can actually do to make him surrender. And worst case, he is taking us hostage - that seems like something Daemon would in fact potentially do. There are customs for that in Westeros, after all, all very civilized and polite, even.
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If we come in on Syrax then if Daemon wants to take us hostage he'll have to not only beat us in a dragon fight, but also find a way to do so without killing us, which might give us a bit of an advantage. In extremis there's also just the option of running away if it looks like he's gearing up for a fight.
 
[X] Stay in the Red Keep. There is no need for you to take part in Daemon's farce.

It's honestly fine if Otto dies, it means the Hightowers pretty solidly line up with the crown against Daemon, and therefore Rhaenyra by default. Don't have to worry about constantly pleasing Otto so he's not constantly backstabbing Viserys, possibly even avoid Alicents royal marriage entirely.
 
Parzival95 said:
[X] Stay in the Red Keep. There is no need for you to take part in Daemon's farce.

It's honestly fine if Otto dies, it means the Hightowers pretty solidly line up with the crown against Daemon, and therefore Rhaenyra by default. Don't have to worry about constantly pleasing Otto so he's not constantly backstabbing Viserys, possibly even avoid Alicents royal marriage entirely.
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It seems likely to end up with Viserys marrying Laena though, as Viserys finds himself having to rely on their dragons in order to have a chance of evicting Daemon from Dragonstone.

This could lead to us having a younger brother with the backing of house Velaryon in the future.
 
I mean, as long as we agreed to marry our heir to one of Laena's kids I really don't see Corlys starting a civil war since his blood will be destined for the throne, so I don't really see a problem with Laena marrying Viserys?
 
I think it important to note that Daemon's main motivation for the vast majority of his life is his desire for approval and recognition, especially by his brother. It's a desire he will never admit to anyone including himself (until Alys Rivers comes around). He doesn't want to rule - in canon he backs down from this stunt and gives up the Stepstones crown as soon as he can. He never even attempt to rule Runestone or Dragonstone, even when he was the heir.
I really don't think he's going to kill Rhaenyra with this stunt, regardless of the way we approach him, and I really don't see him explicitly attacking his brother at this point, even if he'll tell himself that he's more worthy than Viserys to be king.
Like, it would probably would be a bit rougher than the canon confrontation, but I feel like the reasons he folded in canon are still very much at play here (not to mention the fact that he knows very well that Mysaria is not actually pregnant so the whole thing is a shame anyways)
 
Wiggy said:
I mean, as long as we agreed to marry our heir to one of Laena's kids I really don't see Corlys starting a civil war since his blood will be destined for the throne, so I don't really see a problem with Laena marrying Viserys?
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I'm not so sure that Corlys will accept his grandson being passed over for the throne in violation of local succession laws in favor of a female claimant after he already had to deal with his wife being passed over for the throne in favor of a male claimant in violation of local succession laws. The Velaryons probably weren't trying to have Laena marry Viserys in canon because they thought she would be so happy with a man with such pretty eyes.
 
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Imperious said:
If we come in on Syrax then if Daemon wants to take us hostage he'll have to not only beat us in a dragon fight, but also find a way to do so without killing us, which might give us a bit of an advantage. In extremis there's also just the option of running away if it looks like he's gearing up for a fight.
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What do you suggest, that we shout at each other from our dragons' backs in the air? If we want to confront Daemon, furiously or calmly, we'll have to land.
 
[X] Fly to Dragonstone. Furious. Your uncle had threatened your position and insulted you and your late brother. You are not going to take this quietly. You are going there and you are going to let your pathetic excuse for an uncle know exactly how you felt.

its just too much, this is a confrontation and a catharsis Rhaenyra needs to have with her uncle. Why has his early indulgence of her ferocity curdled into uneasy tension? Why did he shower her in exotic gifts and grander more romantic visions of Old Valyria than Viserys' more grounded histories and exult her up as blood of the dragon, only to turn back and claw at her family? Why is he a grooming piece of shit who can never be happy with the young girls he thinks he's making into queens once they can actually hold their own against him?

EDIT: if its looking like staying is winning then yeah I'll approval vote for calm too

[X] Fly to Dragonstone. Calm. You just want Baelon's egg back and to put an end to this nonsense. You had been insulted, but you weren't going to indulge Daemon by letting him see you upset.
 
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[X] Stay in the Red Keep. There is no need for you to take part in Daemon's farce

I'm not seeing confronting him working out at all
 
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