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Not true! Gay and lesbian couples are great for adopting other people's kids!
That Time I Became A Dictator Of A Small Asian Communist Nation
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Not true! Gay and lesbian couples are great for adopting other people's kids!
"The family line must live on!"
*One generation later*
"Where did all the Chinese woman go?"
Yeah, that is kind of inevitable if you think about it...😅
Don't disagree. Fuck, China would absolutely need that, considering the actual situation.
But yeah, I can just imagine that China sees a matchmaking service and see more baby makers and not, you know, ways to make better relationships happen more often. I would be absolutely thrilled if we could help solve the orphan situation by encouraging good couple/family dynamics (IE making sure people get together with other people they like)
Also, feel like there just needs to some informational (for the world, not just this thread) posted that of course Gay and Lesbian couples can and often do make great parents.
So this is on me, more than how we formulate plans in general. I believe I made a better post here with all the plan details in a spoiler. Unfortunately, the original post where I put that plan was changed several times. It had a fusion plan that was later made irrelevant. Unfortunately, in order to save on space and not doublepost, I tried to make my own plan by just 'adding' a few options to the other fusion plan. After that plan was made irrelevant, the whole structure of the original post I didn't link here was sort of ruined. I am really sorry about that. I should've just put all the plan details into a spoiler, like I did on the later post I linked. It would've made things much clearer for you. I don't really think this is a problem with the way plans are made as much as with how I tried to make this plan.
I'll edit that post now for clarity's sake.
Edit: for clarity on my last point
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Honestly, even from a pure 'number (of humans) go up' point of view queer parents help. Kin selection and the Grandmother hypothesis are a thing. There's a lot of secondary labor that goes into raising a kid that has nothing to do with biological reproduction.
I'm not too sold on the idea of flywheel powered vehicles personally. Most of the time when I hear about flywheel energy storage they are capacitors, building up absurd amounts energy to dump it all at once when needed like with the EM launch system, rather than something that can put out a consistent amount of energy over multiple hours like an ICE or a chemical battery. I imagine the logistics of transporting fuel for the military will be easier to deal with than requiring mobile charging stations to recharge the vehicles, which still require fuel to be shipped to them in order to make energy.
Release of stored energy when damaged is going to be an issue no matter what power source we use, but ICE and batteries store most of their power as either chemical energy or electricity. Most problems there can be mitigated by including a fire suppression system, or making sure the vehicle can ground itself without going through the crew. A flywheel stores power as kinetic energy though, so it breaking will be like a bomb going off inside the vehicle.
And finally a flywheel is a really big gyroscope, which means that it is going to mess with the maneuverability and turning capability of whatever vehicle we mount it in as the flywheel tries to stabilize it. Particularly in the Iron Tiger, as there is already a completely separate gyroscope system included that may interfere with the energy storage.
These problems aren't quite so bad if they are purely for civilian use like the Gyrobus idea, but if we want to make a public mass transit system following a semi-fixed path due to the need to top up at fixed recharging stations, I'd say we should just go all the way and make a train. A well made rail system is going to move more people while using less energy and needing less maintenance than a bus network.
Release of stored energy when damaged is going to be an issue no matter what power source we use, but ICE and batteries store most of their power as either chemical energy or electricity. Most problems there can be mitigated by including a fire suppression system, or making sure the vehicle can ground itself without going through the crew. A flywheel stores power as kinetic energy though, so it breaking will be like a bomb going off inside the vehicle.
And finally a flywheel is a really big gyroscope, which means that it is going to mess with the maneuverability and turning capability of whatever vehicle we mount it in as the flywheel tries to stabilize it. Particularly in the Iron Tiger, as there is already a completely separate gyroscope system included that may interfere with the energy storage.
These problems aren't quite so bad if they are purely for civilian use like the Gyrobus idea, but if we want to make a public mass transit system following a semi-fixed path due to the need to top up at fixed recharging stations, I'd say we should just go all the way and make a train. A well made rail system is going to move more people while using less energy and needing less maintenance than a bus network.
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They're not meant to store energy for hours, just recapture energy from regenerative braking and provide bursts of power on demand. I've only been considering hybrid electric vehicles rather than full EVs because I don't think our energy storage is up for it yet.
As to trains, they're not the answer to every transport problem. Trains are great for travelling between towns and villages and cities, but outside the big cities I don't think it's economical to lay rail for intra-town transport.
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[] +3 to a Naval Port
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Oh, I have read some people suggest Jungmin and Mai (<that's his wife, not Jing) enter a polyarmoros relationship. Sadly, not only is Jungmin straight (cutting off that avenue), but Mai would also not be okay with having to share Jungmins affection with another person.
And let's not talk about the fact that doing so would increase the inter-familial murdering exponentially.
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Sure trains can work Intra-city, subways exist don't they? While I imagine that only a handful of our population centers are large enough to need intra-city rail lines, we're probably going to get a population boom once our food plans start panning out and children become more than an additional mouth to feed. If we get at least a foundation of a rail system to ensure that our cities expand with the network to retain sufficent coverage, rather than having them expand to the point where rail lines would be useful, and then require us to knock down buildings or excavate under a packed city.
As for between towns and cities, the layout of Guangchou is just begging for high speed rail to run the length of the island, as we could probably serve the entire island with just 1 or 2 lines.
Edit because this is a funny thought:
- I have a dream of not dying in the next few turns
- I have the dream of actually building all of our own ships, and having a major trade port which cannot be rivaled anywhere else in the world!
- I have a dream of a jumping hit-and-run sub (with hydrofoils) that can never be caught and stopped!
I have three very sane dreams and I can only choose one
- I have the dream of actually building all of our own ships, and having a major trade port which cannot be rivaled anywhere else in the world!
- I have a dream of a jumping hit-and-run sub (with hydrofoils) that can never be caught and stopped!
I have three very sane dreams and I can only choose one
Well... Shit, I want all of those things. Anyone have any input? Willing to take any advice before I give a solid answer for this.
So, while my heart desires for 10 meter tall metal titans striding across the landscape to deliver whatever is necessary for our island.... I agree that a high speed rail line is probably a good idea. I would posit that we could probably have it underground though, to be more secure. I know that we don't have any details on this, but I imagine that a bunch of tunnels were created during WWII to resist the japanese invasion. Its the only way I could imagine that we could keep everyone safe back then. We could probably use those tunnels, expanding them for the intercity high speed rail.
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Yeah, we should make sure that city expansion is planned and leaves room for rail lines. I would prefer above ground rail rather than subways - tunneling and excavation is fairly resource intensive.
I wanna say go for the submarine? Or just hold it in reserve?
If 7th Hex and I can agree to a joint submarine design that gives us +8 to the design, and if you add +3 that's an automatic 11 to the design. We'd stand a better than even chance to dirty crit the design and jump ahead in tech! (If I understand things correctly.)
(Gods, imagine if we got lithium batteries early from our sub design.)
Hmm, that's a tough decision. Assuming they are all equal in value, Deescalate being an actual option by itself implies that we close enough to war for that to have a significant impact. Submarines are something the thread has been talking about a lot, but it looks like there's a schism in design philosophies. Surface port would be useful, but the thread's ideas for naval ships seem to be just in the early concept stages right now.
The problem is I've been looking over the Tigerstripe and existing technology, and I don't think that anything else I can add for a joint submarine idea that doesn't compromise the basic idea I had behind it in the first place. To make a comparison what you said about surface rail vs subways: A subway is going to be the better railway as it can also be used as a shelter, doesn't take up as much land above ground, and is not restricted to following road paths. But the subway is going to cost so much more time and money to build due to the groundwork and excavation that needs to be done, so you have take a good look at the problem you are trying to solve with the resources at hand and ask yourself: "Is the extra benefits of the subway worth the extra costs?"
Same thing with the submarine concepts: I agree that the Tigerstripefish is going to be a better submarine than the Tigerstripe. However, the small nation of Guangchou has limited resources to make a submarine with; and for what that submarine has to do, I feel like after the "groundwork" costs of designing and starting new production lines of technology that haven't been invented yet ITTL Guangchou will not be able to make enough Tigerstripefish submarines to fulfill the role we need them for.
I suppose I should probably take a step back and share the angle I was taking with the submarine design.
I personally joined the quest primarily to lead Guangchou. Furry femboy memes and super-science is fun, but they take a clear backseat compared to the challenge of running the dictatorship of a small Asian communist nation. That means whenever I am looking at the ideas of what to make that people post, or am trying to design something myself, I tend to look at them through the lens of: "This would be nice to have, and future knowledge tells us it will probably work, but does Guangchou have the ability to make this?" So with that in mind, I tried to make the best submarine I could that Guangchou could still produce, and decided to make that happen by trying to minimize the "groundwork" nessecary to produce them. My design process was literally just going though all the information I could find on the cutting edge modern-day subs to make a wish list of what I wanted, then going through that list 1 by 1 to see what on that list was a mature technology by 1980 that Guangchou would be allowed to get their hands on.
And that led to the Tigerstripe: a submarine that aside from a few things which need their specifics ironed out(like the torpedoes), all the systems going into it are currently proven technology, with people understanding how they work, and knowledge of how to make them being pretty widespread, in the goal of making a submarine where as much of the limited amount of money, materials, and industry Guangchou can allot to it goes to the actual construction of the vessels, rather than being tied up in the back end on importing the foreign materials/expertise needed, or in R&D making a folding photonics mast or a fully automated torpedo reload system. A submarine that was as revolutionary as I could make it, without the added costs that comes from "groundbreaking."
So I'm sorry, but I don't think there's much I can contribute to a joint submarine design on my end, unless I missed some source talking about a usable technology that was widespread in the 1980s, or started from scratch with a new design philosophy, as I tried my best to push the Tigerstripe to the edge of it's limits already when I first posted it.
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I am intrigued by this whole newfangled "not dying" idea. It seems to be a fascinating and innovative idea.
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Not dying is a gateway drug to many other fantastic innovations.
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That's a fair take, and I've came around on a lot of these points after thinking about it some more, but there are a few points where I think you're being a touch too conservative and not taking full advantage of Iron Tiger tech.
I've come around on hull piercing masts and the need for a sail for instance, but I think that it would be good to put them in a dedicated mast sail that's smaller and thinner than the sails on traditional submarines so it incurs less drag. The egress/ingress functions of a sail can then be moved to a dedicated extendible sail that is only used for surface transits near port. This also has the advantage of freeing that sail from hydrodynamic constraints so it doesn't have to be as cramped.
I'm torn on the forward torpedo tubes - on one hand it means we don't have to do anything fancy with design, but on the other hand I really want to set that volume aside so we can cram the biggest possible bow sonar we can in there. I think Iron Tiger tech lends itself to pop-out launchers we can locate towards the stern of the boat where it'll interfere the least with sonar. I think we'd want to design our torpedoes for long term stability while in storage because we also want to use them for CAPTOR mines, so having non-reloading pop up torpedo tubes would work with that since it would just be a portable CAPTOR mine with wire guidance attached.
I've changed my mind on rescue capsules too - I know the USSR loves them, but looking at Guangchou's oceanography it looks like we actually don't have a lot of shallow areas where they can even be used.
For the powerplant, I wonder if we can use IT turbines by taking advantage of how light and compact they are to set them in a midget sub that surfaces and sends power down via a tow cable? Turbines would be a lot quieter than a reciprocating diesel.
Now, the dark horse is the propulsion. Do we want to embrace Iron Tiger tech and go with flipper propulsion? It won't be as fast in a sprint as a pumpjet, but for a diesel sub that's not necessarily a downside. The wider area the fins sweep compared to a prop does mean less energy change and thus loss noise, and they would make the sub more maneuverable that a prop. On the other hand, IT actuators weren't built to operate in salt water, and we'd need to do some development on the control software. Normally I would say the losses from the hydraulics would make it untenable, but... mecha. :/
So, I'm thankful for all the responses, everyone. This was really helpful.
I definitely didn't expect no one to support the naval port option, but I guess that means that no one really sees a great reason for us to focus on that right now. I'm also a bit surprised by all the people chiming in to choose the de-escalation option, since it feels like that option has been given for a lot of omakes, and is almost never chosen (although I did choose it for my last omake, I believe). That being said, my omake fits de-escalation option the best because the whole story is about why the one commander/admiral in charge of the chinese navy wouldn't be rushing to escalate (which isn't to say he wouldn't send anything/anyone to patrol and observe), despite the fact that there are now 4 different factions which all might be trying to use this crisis for their own ends. Relative to the possible responses, this is probably the closest we could hope for China getting to helping us to de-escalate the situation.
I do like @CyberEnby's plan for using the sub option though. However, it still looks like there is a little bit of disagreement with the exact design. Furthermore, I feel like we have some time before we really will finalize on a sub design. I feel like we could probably get another omake or design/media threadmark, which would offer a sub roll reward. Hell, I can already imagine the start of an omake for the flipper propulsion cyberEnby suggested in her last post. So, I think it doesn't make sense to choose the sub bonus just yet, when I feel like we could gather those bonuses a little later.
So yeah, I think I will be choosing to:
[X] De-Escalation
I definitely didn't expect no one to support the naval port option, but I guess that means that no one really sees a great reason for us to focus on that right now. I'm also a bit surprised by all the people chiming in to choose the de-escalation option, since it feels like that option has been given for a lot of omakes, and is almost never chosen (although I did choose it for my last omake, I believe). That being said, my omake fits de-escalation option the best because the whole story is about why the one commander/admiral in charge of the chinese navy wouldn't be rushing to escalate (which isn't to say he wouldn't send anything/anyone to patrol and observe), despite the fact that there are now 4 different factions which all might be trying to use this crisis for their own ends. Relative to the possible responses, this is probably the closest we could hope for China getting to helping us to de-escalate the situation.
I do like @CyberEnby's plan for using the sub option though. However, it still looks like there is a little bit of disagreement with the exact design. Furthermore, I feel like we have some time before we really will finalize on a sub design. I feel like we could probably get another omake or design/media threadmark, which would offer a sub roll reward. Hell, I can already imagine the start of an omake for the flipper propulsion cyberEnby suggested in her last post. So, I think it doesn't make sense to choose the sub bonus just yet, when I feel like we could gather those bonuses a little later.
So yeah, I think I will be choosing to:
[X] De-Escalation
Maybe I am, but I think that you are putting more stock in the Iron Tiger than we have. It has never been stated that Iron Tiger technology works under water in the quest, and the only thing that comes close is in the result of the SCARS roll, which explicitly says that we are going to need something else too in order to make the Iron Tiger work under water.
I would not be surprised if the Iron Tiger could do something like snorkeling in tanks, where the crew stops and spends a while to seal the vehicle and attach the tube before crossing as quickly as possible. That still isn't going to help with the submarine though, as the difference in reliability between a mechanism that can function despite very infrequent dunkings in fresh water for under 5 minutes, and a mechanism that can function despite being constantly exposed/immersed in salt water and sea spray for months on end can be measured in orders of magnitude.
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You're not wrong tbh, it's hard to justify Iron Tiger stuff in general if you think about the underlying tech. Like, intuitively flippers are not as effective as a propeller - there's dead time at each end of the stroke, it's reciprocal rather than continuous so it has to shed momentum and gain in back in a different direction, it's definitely got more moving parts.
It's just that... apparently mecha are a thing, so something is going on behind the scenes to make them competitive, and I'm just trying to extrapolate the consequences. Like, Aesthetically, mecha are now part of the milieu, so I'm trying to lean into that with the flippers.
Hmmm, @HeroCooky, is making flipper-boats/subs going to be harder to make / more expensive to produce than a traditional one for a given performance level? I'm imagining our boffins will be able to at least give us a back of envelope calculation on whether this is something where we'd be better going to traditional route or embracing the wanderwaffe in order to try to leapfrog the competition.
Reading this story, all I could think the despotic ruler of Paradise on Earth did quite well when it came to hiring competent individuals (all the other PoVs so far). Where's my *took orders literally* moment, where the nation's UN diplomat tries to reinterpret orders that were intercepted on the way (by a Goose).
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As it is an unkown technology with little knowledge, insight, testing, or instituional inertia, it will be very hard to create and produce such technology.
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Is the same true for adapting the Tiger's modular trait to other vehicles?
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No. Flippers are different due to the whole "underwater propulsion" thing going on.
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Oh my, you know my wacky 'no sail, only extendible tube for surface navigation' thing? Turns out I was reinventing Project 673 from first principles.
Vindication!
Vindication!