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That Time I Became A Dictator Of A Small Asian Communist Nation

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CyberEnby said:
Do you our think we could put out a hit on say... the board members of the Chiquita corporation? It would have to be part of same larger campaign to expose American corporate imperialism, and ideally we'd disguise in as some sort of corporate infighting, but...

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Uh, Li Mei is a mercenary who works for the highest bidder.

and isn't exactly loyal to the Revolution.

Besides, she's having fun in Africa, ending civil wars and starting them at the same time.
 
Magoose said:
Uh, Li Mei is a mercenary who works for the highest bidder.

and isn't exactly loyal to the Revolution.

Besides, she's having fun in Africa, ending civil wars and starting them at the same time.
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That's fair.

And I mean. If some South American guerillas happen to get some arms, and training, and a bit of intelligence...

And a few months later some Chiquita big wigs fall down some stairs/choke on a grape/eat some improperly prepared puffer fish...

All I'm saying is correlation doesn't equal causation! :V
 
CyberEnby said:
That's fair.

And I mean. If some South American guerillas happen to get same arms, and training, and a bit of intelligence...
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As much as she may want to work in South America, and that she may want to enjoy some vacation in the Tropics... she's being paid elsewhere, and she wants nothing more then to keep remaining to get paid until her services are no longer required.

So unless some South American rebel groups can scrounge up some scratch that can pay for her legendary services?

Not going to happen.
CyberEnby said:
And a few months later some Chiquita big wigs fall down some stairs/choke on a grape/eat some improperly prepared puffer fish...

All I'm saying is correlation doesn't equal causation! :V
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Eh, if anything, the Capitalists will want those fuckers gone.

La CIA, is not in the mood for fuck ups.

And those boys are fucking up big times.
 
Wilgus04 said:
I will do some research and make list of some probably not all neutral countries.

Finland, Sweden, Irland, Switzerland, Austria, India Ghana, Egypt, Indonesia, Yugoslavia.

(Now some of these nations are part of the NON-ALIGNED MOVEMENT while some are not)
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Short list:
Sweden and Finland hate Russia. Ireland hates the UK but is still culturally more that than anything else. The Swiss will play ball with anyone but that doesn't mean anything. Ghana and Egypt would arrive to mourn our smoking ruins but not actually help.

This leaves us with India and Indonesia that are regional but non aligned. Sounds like diplomatic priorities 1 and 1A.
 
You forgot Malaysia, who're unaligned with America and Russia. Hated the colonials, disliked communism.

Could try to instead bending them towards lgbt tolerance tho. Or at least, the various sultans and royals in that country. The peasants will follow soon after.

Oh wait, we're communists who overthrew royalty. Oops.
 
Barondoctor said:
Short list:
Sweden and Finland hate Russia. Ireland hates the UK but is still culturally more that than anything else. The Swiss will play ball with anyone but that doesn't mean anything. Ghana and Egypt would arrive to mourn our smoking ruins but not actually help.

This leaves us with India and Indonesia that are regional but non aligned. Sounds like diplomatic priorities 1 and 1A.
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Yeah, both are pretty big countries, through socially conservative. Soft power will serve us well once out economy spools up, but for now we can lay the ground work.

The Swiss on the other hand are reaaaal racist based on what I've heard. Also way outside our sphere of influence. Don't care for them. :p

kinglugia said:
You forgot Malaysia, who're unaligned with America and Russia. Hated the colonials, disliked communism.

Could try to instead bending them towards lgbt tolerance tho. Or at least, the various sultans and royals in that country. The peasants will follow soon after.

Oh wait, we're communists who overthrew royalty. Oops.
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We'll come back to them in a decade or so after our economy has spooled up and we can drown their markets with mass produced consumer goods if need be. :V

Edit: Did Rainbow Road pre-empt Balenko's defection with a Foxbat in '76?
 
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CyberEnby said:
Yeah, both are pretty big countries, through socially conservative. Soft power will serve us well once out economy spools up, but for now we can lay the ground work.

The Swiss on the other hand are reaaaal racist based on what I've heard. Also way outside our sphere of influence. Don't care for them. :p

We'll come back to them in a decade or so after our economy has spooled up and we can drown their markets with mass produced consumer goods if need be. :V
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India and Indonesia are basically opposite poles for national direction so we should probably pick one (or pick the one most aligned with our own direction).

TL;DR India: concern over China, military buildup.
India's got their conflict with Pakistan eating up a lot of their worries, although China isn't exactly their happy cuddle buddy. Mutual concern over China could bring us together. They also have a lot of tiger symbology culturally and could be a neat proxy to test Iron Tigers with, but that's a way in the future thing. Just mentioning that we have a military project called Iron Tiger and we might be interested in having them visit could be enough to get their attention.

TL;DR Indonesia: Indonesian Communists lost a power struggle vs their military. Autocratic and culturally repressive.
It seems like it was more business than personal. Since the result of that power struggle, power's been consolidated and they've created essentially the "Political Islam Party", the "Not-Political-Islam Party", both of which are puppets and get smacked down any time they develop any sort of strength.

One other somewhat cloud-cuckoolander idea: Singapore's getting involved with the ASEAN and the first ASEAN summit meeting will be happening in this 5YP. I realize that's way outside "good communist" stuff, but the Treaty of Amity and Cooperation doesn't exactly chafe and would give us a foot in a totally different direction. Plus, it would confuse the daylights out of everyone.
 
Barondoctor said:
India and Indonesia are basically opposite poles for national direction so we should probably pick one (or pick the one most aligned with our own direction).

TL;DR India: concern over China, military buildup.
India's got their conflict with Pakistan eating up a lot of their worries, although China isn't exactly their happy cuddle buddy. Mutual concern over China could bring us together. They also have a lot of tiger symbology culturally and could be a neat proxy to test Iron Tigers with, but that's a way in the future thing. Just mentioning that we have a military project called Iron Tiger and we might be interested in having them visit could be enough to get their attention.

TL;DR Indonesia: Indonesian Communists lost a power struggle vs their military. Autocratic and culturally repressive.
It seems like it was more business than personal. Since the result of that power struggle, power's been consolidated and they've created essentially the "Political Islam Party", the "Not-Political-Islam Party", both of which are puppets and get smacked down any time they develop any sort of strength.

One other somewhat cloud-cuckoolander idea: Singapore's getting involved with the ASEAN and the first ASEAN summit meeting will be happening in this 5YP. I realize that's way outside "good communist" stuff, but the Treaty of Amity and Cooperation doesn't exactly chafe and would give us a foot in a totally different direction. Plus, it would confuse the daylights out of everyone.
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Honestly, I'm not eager to get buddy buddy with either country. If anything, I can see us trying to destabilize the current administration of Indonesia later, along with that of the Philippines. Sanctuary For All should help. Sending envoys to both would be useful for gathering Intel tho.

Our real friendly interactions will be with other communist countries.
 
CyberEnby said:
Honestly, I'm not eager to get buddy buddy with either country. If anything, I can see us trying to destabilize the current administration of Indonesia later, along with that of the Philippines. Sanctuary For All should help. Sending envoys to both would be useful for gathering Intel tho.

Our real friendly interactions will be with other communist countries.
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And most are, well...
Probably not gonna be that friendly, at least partly because of our unique perspective on sex as of the quest time period...
 
Themarineguy said:
And most are, well...
Probably not gonna be that friendly, at least partly because of our unique perspective on sex as of the quest time period...
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Yeah, but with other communist countries, we can go: 'Oh, well, we'd love to give you these nice CNC lathes and trained technicians to help you operate them, but a lot of them aren't straight, which is kind of illegal in your country, so it's taking a while to find volunteers...'

Combined with 'Those gays are a blight on the world! But *grumble grumble* I guess they do make good lathes. And those omni-tractors were very handy... I can at least to pretend to be nice as long as the goods keep flowing.'

And the next thing they know the kids are wearing Guangchou fashion and watching Commiewood shows, and complaining about how un-woke their parents are being. :V
 
Themarineguy said:
And most are, well...
Probably not gonna be that friendly, at least partly because of our unique perspective on sex as of the quest time period...
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Which is at least part of why I'm offering an alternative direction as a sort of Guangchou-blanca bridge between the "free to be" that's growing in democracies and the "we actually do know best" in more top-down-authority countries, making some gains out of the ASEAN summit...

CyberEnby said:
Honestly, I'm not eager to get buddy buddy with either country. If anything, I can see us trying to destabilize the current administration of Indonesia later, along with that of the Philippines. Sanctuary For All should help. Sending envoys to both would be useful for gathering Intel tho.

Our real friendly interactions will be with other communist countries.
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I am not remotely good enough at planning and actual direction to find the right way to go. You're one of the people in this quest that is and I appreciate that.

Basic historical analysis and assessment is about where my skill-set ends here; my aim is to present these options to the quest at large.

I hate that my education is limited and I have to go digging myself to find out what's going on, but I think I've got most of the regional headlines for the next five years presented in a limited-and-unreliable-narrator perspective. Where we go, I don't know. What we do? I've no clue.

I can promise absolutely zero comprehension or fair presentation of the nuances of the situations.
 
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Abreviated Notes From The Regional Assessment of Diplomatic / Intelligence Opportunities ("RADIO", 1975)
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    • Regional Assessment of Diplomatic / Intelligence Opportunities ("RADIO", 1975)

    India: concern over China, military buildup.
    India's got their conflict with Pakistan eating up a lot of their worries, although China isn't exactly their happy cuddle buddy. Mutual concern over China could bring us together. They also have a lot of tiger symbology culturally and could be a neat proxy to test Iron Tigers with, but that's a way in the future thing. Just mentioning that we have a military project called Iron Tiger and we might be interested in having them visit could be enough to get their attention.

    Sri Lanka: Experiencing communist / socialist unrest. Murmurs about a free-market party promising a guaranteed food ration.
    Possibilities for diplomatic connections over concerns about nearby big powers and being small island nations determining our place in the world. If we wanted to make a play to access the Non-Aligned Movement, here's our easy inroad. They're not a big power, but they could be valuable to us to make friends.

    Myanmar: Military dictatorship. No real opportunities here.
    What's to say? They know what they want, they know what they are, and they're doing it.

    Thailand: Possible source of left-wing student pickups from their unrest.
    Thailand's king, largely a figurehead, recently acted on their politics to name a new Prime Minister after continued demonstrations against the previous minister resulted in his removal. However, unrest continues and the possibility of far-right crackdowns looms large. Expedited immigration for students under pressure could result in a brain gain.

    Laos: Angry little brother, is that you?
    Laos shows a number of historical similarities to Guangchou including going from a monarchy to a communist system. They're undergoing big changes in 1975. We might be able to start some form of "southeast asia communist kinship" (SACK) program, although we'd want to talk with them about their whole "humans rights violations are fun" policy.

    Cambodia: Khmer Rouge (with Chinese support) megapurge. Could sneakily evacuate refugees of opportunity to Guangchou? Vietnamese potential counterinvasion.
    Lots of chances for brain gain here. The Khmer Rouge are not being subtle at all or limited in their aims, which leads this office to consider the possibility Vietnam might act on them.

    Vietnam: End of the Vietnam war and power consolidation.
    Here's the big one, saved for last. The West is leaving Vietnam and in the realignment and reorganization? Chaos is a ladder and Guangchou can climb.
     
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    • HeroCooky said:
    Canon, +2 to Diplomacy Actions in the next Two Turns.
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    Motherfucker.

    (looks through turn projections to see what can be done)

    Okay I can shake loose two actions in the turn after next, maybe one action in this upcoming turn. Gah. Ideally we'd have had this for the last turn of this plan because we could do a massive Diplo push ending with our Dramatic Reveal during the end of plan parade.
     
    CyberEnby said:
    Motherfucker.
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    In the intelligence business, I'm told that's a compliment. ;)

    Thailand and Sri Lanka don't have their events in OTL until 1976 and 1977, respectively, so if either of those grabbed your attention we have a little time and you can breathe. That said, the opportunity to get ahead and act instead of react is now, especially for the purges and reorganizations. The time to steal smart people from a purge is before a purge happens, not after it's happened and they've gone to ground or been placed six feet underground.

    Once everything post-Vietnam stabilizes, at least in OTL, the 80s are far less interesting. India and China continue their on-again off-again tiff over borders, Sri Lanka decides to fight over race instead of political ideology, Myanmar gonna Myanmar, Thailand stabilizes after one of the most boring coup attempts ever, Laos goes "wait, how do I communism without preliminary capitalism" and eventually flops over and cuddles up to Vietnam, Vietnam doesn't pick up reformers to fail at free market transition until 1986, and in the meantime they grab Cambodia by the collar and occupy for several years.

    Yawn.

    If we gonna do something big and fun, we should do those things on this plan, because the early 80s are a bit of a yawn from our very specific corner of the world.
     
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    Barondoctor said:
    Once everything post-Vietnam stabilizes, at least in OTL, the 80s are far less interesting.... Sri Lanka decides to fight over race instead of political ideology,
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    Woof, that's certainly a unique way of describing a 25 year civil war. Like, oof, talk about underselling one of the longer civil wars in modern history.

    As a Sri-Lankan American, could we please intervene in my home country before things go the shitter? Please?


    Ok, but more seriously, while I would like to connect to Laos, Sri Lanka, and Vietnam... I understand that we probably just won't have enough actions to do all of that.

    Barondoctor said:
    Thailand and Sri Lanka don't have their events in OTL until 1976 and 1977, respectively, so if either of those grabbed your attention we have a little time and you can breathe. That said, the opportunity to get ahead and act instead of react is now, especially for the purges and reorganizations. The time to steal smart people from a purge is before a purge happens, not after it's happened and they've gone to ground or been placed six feet underground.
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    That being said, I can definitely see the wisdom in this. This really is a time limited thing.... and with how HeroCooky has gone mad villain cackling over there about what happens next, it might be our last chance to pick people up before the entire world blows up because of some event.... again...

    Ugh! Decisions decisions.
     
    There's also the possibility of looking further afield and meta-gaming a bit: The Saur Revolution is gonna kick off in Afghanistan in 1978, if we do Liberation Theology before then, then we might be able to smooth out a lot of popular unrest by sending revolutionary imams that can square the circle of traditional beliefs and new social and economic reforms. If we do well, there's a chance we could butterfly away the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, which is obviously good for keeping the USSR from breaking up.

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    @HeroCooky, could we add the year to the Turn summary threadmarks? I'm always losing track of where we are in the timeline.
     
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    Anon500 said:
    Woof, that's certainly a unique way of describing a 25 year civil war. Like, oof, talk about underselling one of the longer civil wars in modern history.

    As a Sri-Lankan American, could we please intervene in my home country before things go the shitter? Please?
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    From what little I saw as I was digging in history for events we could act on to steal a march as Guangchou the tiny gay communist island? You have my condolences on behalf of myself for the brush-by as well as the US Education and Media system for inadequately educating me and probably others on all events east of Afghanistan and West of Vietnam.
     
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    CyberEnby said:
    could we add the year to the Turn summary threadmarks? I'm always losing track of where we are in the timeline.
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    Planned to do so, as I had lost of what time it is during the last Plan.

    I fear the day someone goes through the updates and pins down the +/-1 Year-Or-So difference I am sure is in there and I am forced to canonize Local Temporal Shenanigans into the Quest.
    Which would make a good plotline now that I am thinking about it...
    Barondoctor said:
    You have my condolences on behalf of myself for the brush-by as well as the US Education and Media system for inadequately educating me and probably others on all events east of Afghanistan and West of Vietnam.
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    You can chuck in my country as well, as I would have put Sri-Lanka as a city in India and Myanmar as a provine of the Philippines before I started "researching" for this quest.
     
    Barondoctor said:
    From what little I saw as I was digging in history for events we could act on as Guangchou the tiny gay communist island? You have my condolences on behalf of myself for the brush-by as well as the US Education and Media system for inadequately educating me and probably others on all events east of Afghanistan and West of Vietnam.
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    honestly, don't take the critique too hard. I mean, at some point, I just don't have expectations for people in the west to 'get it'. Sri Lanka's civil war certainly was not an earthshattering event for most countries, regardless of how long it went on. I definitely don't expect the average American to know much about it.

    but yeah, it is one of those things that has defined a lot for the country. Like, it was one of those wars that people wondered if it would ever really end.

    so yeah, I made a comment, if for not other reason that the huge disparity between what you expressed the importance of that conflict was, versus my understanding of it. Its not that I expected more from you, but I did feel like I should probably say something.

    Thank you for being mindful. And please don't feel too bad you didn't know more. As you said, our education and media does a poor job of educating us about certain parts of the world.
     
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    HeroCooky said:
    God, I can't wait until you finish this Plan and all shit hits the fans.

    All of it.

    Me (writing the shit hitting the fans):
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    Oh dear...
    Any idea on how things are gonna go the INTERESTIING TIMES route?

    It could be something inked to the scrutiny and paranoia from us bucking the script most other of our type of nation follows so thoroughly.
    Could be something sparked by rolls from other actors, such as a possible civil war.
    Could also be the middle-east south African based merc group pulling something big...
     
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