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Springtime of Nations II: A European Republic Quest

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Stopping cholera is mainly about water infrastructure and good bureuacracies. rather than hospitals or medication. Just being able to track the source of an outbreak to a specific source and bring in non-contaminated water until the source is treated can reduce cases to a fraction. Cholera thrives in places where the infrastructure is insufficient for the population and the government is uninterested in proactively solving the problem. Neither are a major concern for our Germany.
 
Nerdorama said:
Prussia was a German colonial conquest in Poland that for some reason some Brandenburgers decided they should name themselves after.
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Zimmerwald1915 said:
There is no statute of limitations on imperialism.
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funnily enough the polish invited the germans (the teutonic order) to the baltics as fellow christians to help convert the native baltic peoples, relations only really soured some 200 years later after this was accomplished.
After the conquest of the area by the polish in the 15th century it maintained a largely german population (fun fact, a decent chunk of polish infantry at the siege of vienna was made up of prussian germans) and this was still the case when the territory was joined to Brandenburg.

Tldr: you're wrong, polish Prussia is a modern concept.
 
News of the World: 1898-1899​
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Damn a lot happened this year.

Sad about Korea but it's kinda cool that they retreated to Manchuria and are working with the Chinese. It makes it doubly important to support the Chinese reformists against the reactionary backlash and their entente backers. Hopefully by the time they win they won't care about restoring the emperor.

Great to see the change of government in the Philippines, we should invest in them to secure that gain.

A big welcome to all the French Jews, here's your enlistment papers :V

And of course great to see the RSWP getting on it.

Let me go catch up on the rest of the thread.
 
Undoubtedly, and that will be a good plan at some point. However we have the International Revolutionary Association to support every movement everywhere all at once, and India isn't an immediate strategic goal, I don't think.

Having said that it might be a good idea as preparation for the Entente war? If we coordinate massive anti colonial revolt at the same time as the war goes on we can hopefully minimise the force that the Entente can bring to bear against us.
 
We are likely going to have to face the fact that when war against the Entente breaks out, it's very possible the colonies will rally to the banner, as they did irl.
 
DanBaque said:
We are likely going to have to face the fact that when war against the Entente breaks out, it's very possible the colonies will rally to the banner, as they did irl.
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The colonial governments probably will, but if we could arm and train partisans then maybe they can do something like limit the amount of colonial troops the Entente can draw on (because they're too busy trying to stop bombing campaigns and such throughout India and Africa).
 
Supporting the Boers in their bid for independence could be a useful way to get a staging ground in Africa. Obviously, we would have to exert some influence on them so that they illegalize slavery and promote racial integration but that would be easy given that The Allies are the only ones willing and able to go against the Entente. They would have to choose between freedom for all or losing their independence.​
 
If we have to pick a group in the south of Africa to support, surely it ought to be the various Bantu peoples, rather than the fucking Boers?
 
yeah, the boers are also a white supremacist settler-colonial project and are also Bad, Actually.

they're also d*tch, which is only one step above being br*tish
 
Retired Explorer said:
Supporting the Boers in their bid for independence could be a useful way to get a staging ground in Africa. Obviously, we would have to exert some influence on them so that they illegalize slavery and promote racial integration but that would be easy given that The Allies are the only ones willing and able to go against the Entente. They would have to choose between freedom for all or losing their independence.​
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The Boers aren't going to do racial integration even if we're singlehandedly responsible for saving their asses. They'd rather be British. This is just entirely disconnected from the reality of settler colonialism.
 
Nyvis said:
Great to see the change of government in the Philippines, we should invest in them to secure that gain.
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We should try to get them into a full alliance, preferably expanding the Triple Alliance, instead honestly. Not only for ideological reasons, as a show of us treating Asian countries as equals, but because they are in a good position to mess with the Entente Asian colonies once the final showdown begins.
 
At this point, the boers are a permanent fixture of Africa, even if we were to exclusively support the natives we would still have to deal with them. The only way I see to have a free Azania without boers is to forcefully resettle them in Europe and I don't think there's a need to explain why forceful resettlement is a bad idea.

I am not argueing in favour of ensuring that they keep what they have stolen, I am argueing in favour of ensuring that the boers don't continue down the path they are going. We have already seen this happen with many other countries we have supported: german aid makes them germanophiles and their like for all things german eventually leads them to german politics thus helping export the german model to other countries.​
 
Retired Explorer said:
At this point, the boers are a permanent fixture of Africa, even if we were to exclusively support the natives we would still have to deal with them. The only way I see to have a free Azania without boers is to forcefully resettle them in Europe and I don't think there's a need to explain why forceful resettlement is a bad idea.

I am not argueing in favour of ensuring that they keep what they have stolen, I am argueing in favour of ensuring that the boers don't continue down the path they are going. We have already seen this happen with many other countries we have supported: german aid makes them germanophiles and their like for all things german eventually leads them to german politics thus helping export the german model to other countries.​
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the point is that our ardently anti-colonial stance would mean they wouldn't accept our aid. they'd rather just accept british rule because the british will let them keep doing psycho settler shit
 
Retired Explorer said:
At this point, the boers are a permanent fixture of Africa, even if we were to exclusively support the natives we would still have to deal with them. The only way I see to have a free Azania without boers is to forcefully resettle them in Europe and I don't think there's a need to explain why forceful resettlement is a bad idea.

I am not argueing in favour of ensuring that they keep what they have stolen, I am argueing in favour of ensuring that the boers don't continue down the path they are going. We have already seen this happen with many other countries we have supported: german aid makes them germanophiles and their like for all things german eventually leads them to german politics thus helping export the german model to other countries.​
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We should treat with the natives, and the Boers will have to live with being a minority in free Azania. Nothing in that requires resettlement, though they're likely to leave for reactionary countries on their own when their stolen gains get redistributed.
 
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one big upside of all this international news, by the way -

we're rolling out the Gewehr 98, which means we have a shit-ton of Gewehr 88s that can, i dunno, mysteriously wash up on the shore near a Chinese Republican stronghold

no idea where those came from france, i swear :V
 
Did we get only Vienna and not Budapest in the peace deal?

Is the Austrian imperial project dead or not?
 
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TheArcanist said:
one big upside of all this international news, by the way -

we're rolling out the Gewehr 98, which means we have a shit-ton of Gewehr 88s that can, i dunno, mysteriously wash up on the shore near a Chinese Republican stronghold

no idea where those came from france, i swear :V
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We might not, seeing as the Gewehr 98 would have been developed mid-war and changing your service rifle halfway through a conflict isn't a great idea. It could be starting to roll out this year, for example.

However, the army in general is demobilizing and we were stockpiling arms, ammunition, and other supplies in preparation of our cancelled summer offensive. There's going to be millions of spare rifles that we'd otherwise have to carefully pack up and stow in depots (only for them to be made obsolete very soon), not to mention that there'll be thousands of artillery pieces and millions of shells that we also need to get rid of.

Given the state of the Qing military, that kind of support could prove decisive. It's also a great opportunity to further spread our ideas in China - they'd be listening to German military advisors, and a democratic military is more likely to push for other things that Germany supports.

Edit: I don't think we could deny it from France if it's at that scale, but I also don't think we'd need to. France and Britain make a lot of money on war profiteering, we can do the same (and then just forgive the debt immediately).
 
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C_Z said:
We might not, seeing as the Gewehr 98 would have been developed mid-war and changing your service rifle halfway through a conflict isn't a great idea. It could be starting to roll out this year, for example.

However, the army in general is demobilizing and we were stockpiling arms, ammunition, and other supplies in preparation of our cancelled summer offensive. There's going to be millions of spare rifles that we'd otherwise have to carefully pack up and stow in depots (only for them to be made obsolete very soon), not to mention that there'll be thousands of artillery pieces and millions of shells that we also need to get rid of.

Given the state of the Qing military, that kind of support could prove decisive. It's also a great opportunity to further spread our ideas in China - they'd be listening to German military advisors, and a democratic military is more likely to push for other things that Germany supports.
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i mean, that was my point. we're about to have millions of rifles we can't really use anymore, so instead of dropping them into an armory to gather dust we might as well send them to China so they can continue with their true purpose, shooting reactionaries :V
 
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