Springtime of Nations II: A European Republic Quest

The Second Vienna Conference, Part 4: 1900
The Second Vienna Conference, Part 4: 1900


The final Allied proposal is accepted with a little grumbling but no outright resistance. Most annoyed are the Serbs and Montenegrins, who see themselves being excluded from a future federation of South Slavs, and elect to form their own instead. The Kingdom of Serbia-Montenegro, with the Prince of Montenegro serving as autonomous ruler beneath the Serbian king, is a passive rebuke to Allied foreign policy, and a sign of growing conservative backlash to republican encroachment in the Balkans.

Having secured the remainder of the Habsburg Empire with deft diplomacy while washing its hands of the Balkan monarchies, the Alliance now turns toward the final phase of the conference: adjudicating other territorial disputes. Representatives from Britain, France, and Portugal sit next to delegates from Germany, Italy, and Spain to hear the various cases put forward by the Balkan powers over why they deserve various parts of their neighbor's land.

In practice, most of these territorials are multicultural and of little actual strategic value, so it really just comes down to which countries you want to aggrandize at another's expense. Unfortunately, as is often the case, to take one side is to embitter the other, and so it is here. Perhaps the one exception to the rule is the Ottoman delegation; having lost substantial territory in the last Balkan war, they will likely be grateful to simply not lose any more.

How will the Alliance delegates rule on these border questions?





What is to be done?

Kosovo
[] Kosovo should go to Albania.
EFFECT: Improved relations with Albania. Reduced relations with Serbia.

[] Kosovo should remain with Serbia.
EFFECT: Improved relations with Serbia. Reduced relations with Albania.


Nis
[] Nis should go to Serbia.
EFFECT: Improved relations with Serbia. Reduced relations with Bulgaria.

[] Nis should remain with Bulgaria.
EFFECT: Improved relations with Bulgaria. Reduced relations with Serbia.


Northern Macedonia
[] Northern Macedonia should go to Albania.
EFFECT: Improved relations with Albania. Reduced relations with Greece, Serbia, and Bulgaria.

[] Northern Macedonia should go to Serbia.
EFFECT: Improved relations with Serbia. Reduced relations with Albania, Greece, and Bulgaria.

[] Northern Macedonia should go to Greece.
EFFECT: Improved relations with Greece. Reduced relations with Albania, Serbia, and Bulgaria.

[] Northern Macedonia should remain with Bulgaria.
EFFECT: Improved relations with Bulgaria. Reduced relations with Albania, Greece, and Serbia.


Eastern Rumelia
[] Eastern Rumelia should go to the Ottoman Empire.
EFFECT: Improved relations with the Ottomans. Reduced relations with Bulgaria.

[] Eastern Rumelia should remain with Bulgaria.
EFFECT: Improved relations with Bulgaria.


Eastern Macedonia (Bulgaria)
[] Bulgarian Eastern Macedonia should go to Greece.
EFFECT: Improved relations with Greece. Reduced relations with Bulgaria.

[] Bulgarian Eastern Macedonia should go to the Ottoman Empire.
EFFECT: Improved relations with the Ottomans. Reduced relations with Greece and Bulgaria.

[] Bulgarian Eastern Macedonia should remain with Bulgaria.
EFFECT: Improved relations with Bulgaria. Reduced relations with Greece.


Eastern Macedonia (Ottoman)
[] Ottoman Eastern Macedonia should go to Greece.
EFFECT: Improved relations with Greece. Reduced relations with the Ottomans.

[] Ottoman Eastern Macedonia should remain with the Ottoman Empire.
EFFECT: Improved relations with the Ottomans. Reduced relations with Greece.




Welcome to the final phase of the Second Vienna Conference. No Leverage, just votes. If you mess up the borders on purpose I'll just use my special QM powers to fix them.

12 hours to consider, then 24 hours to vote. Note the short moratorium. Please vote by plan. Here's an example plan:

[] Plan: Everything's Fine
-[] Kosovo should remain with Serbia.
-[] Nis should remain with Bulgaria.
-[] Northern Macedonia should remain with Bulgaria.
-[] Eastern Rumelia should remain with Bulgaria.
-[] Bulgarian Eastern Macedonia should remain with Bulgaria.
-[] Ottoman Eastern Macedonia should remain with the Ottoman Empire.
 
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[] Plan: maximum funnies
-[] Kosovo should go to Albania.
-[] Nis should go to Serbia.
-[] Northern Macedonia should go to Greece.
-[] Eastern Rumelia should go to the Ottoman Empire.
-[] Bulgarian Eastern Macedonia should go to Greece.
-[] Ottoman Eastern Macedonia should remain with the Ottoman Empire.

this would create unimaginable tension amongst themselves and also clean up the borders while fucking over Bulgaria HARD
 
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[] Plan: maximum funnies
-[] Kosovo should go to Albania.
-[] Nis should go to Serbia.
-[] Northern Macedonia should go to Greece.
-[] Eastern Rumelia should go to the Ottoman Empire.
-[] Bulgarian Eastern Macedonia should go to Greece.
-[] Ottoman Eastern Macedonia should remain with the Ottoman Empire.

this would create unimaginable tension amongst themselves and also clean up the borders while fucking over Bulgaria HARD
This was going to be my plan but you made it first. Maximum anti-Bulgarian action.
 

This was, to put it frankly, a mistake. I'm not going to say I told you so because I didn't object at the time but having to take sides in a bunch of irrelevant monarchical piss fights over lands they'll probably mistreat is not my definition of a good time.

Oh well it'll probably also make the entente enemies when they stake their own positions on it.

One option is to just pick Bulgaria and fuck them over completely while making everyone else happy. That probably minimizes the fallout.

[] Plan: maximum funnies
-[] Kosovo should go to Albania.
-[] Nis should go to Serbia.
-[] Northern Macedonia should go to Greece.
-[] Eastern Rumelia should go to the Ottoman Empire.
-[] Bulgarian Eastern Macedonia should go to Greece.
-[] Ottoman Eastern Macedonia should remain with the Ottoman Empire.

this would create unimaginable tension amongst themselves and also clean up the borders while fucking over Bulgaria HARD

Main issue I see is the disgusting border if we give the Ottomans all of Rumelia but not all of the coastline. Tempted to leave that one with Bulgaria for that reason. The Ottomans won't be pissed off since they don't lose territory and that's what they're really afraid of. Thought?
 
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I will vote for whatever plan screws over bulgria the most

Here

[]Vae Victis Bulgaria
-[] Kosovo should remain with Serbia.
-[] Nis should go to Serbia.
-[] Northern Macedonia should go to Serbia.
-[] Northern Macedonia should go to Greece.
-[] Eastern Rumelia should go to the Ottoman Empire.
-[] Bulgarian Eastern Macedonia should go to Greece.
-[] Ottoman Eastern Macedonia should remain with the Ottoman Empire.
 
[] Plan: Full Speed Ahead
-[] Kosovo should remain with Serbia.
-[] Nis should go to Serbia.
-[] Northern Macedonia should go to Serbia.
-[] Eastern Rumelia should go to the Ottoman Empire
-[] Bulgarian Eastern Macedonia should go to the Ottoman Empire.

-[] Ottoman Eastern Macedonia should remain with the Ottoman Empire.


Minimal contradictions.
 
[] Plan: Full Speed Ahead
-[] Kosovo should remain with Serbia.
-[] Nis should go to Serbia.
-[] Northern Macedonia should go to Serbia.
-[] Eastern Rumelia should go to the Ottoman Empire
-[] Bulgarian Eastern Macedonia should go to the Ottoman Empire.

-[] Ottoman Eastern Macedonia should remain with the Ottoman Empire.


Minimal contradictions.

Investing in Serbia when we just pissed them off is probably not a good plan. This also makes us 3 enemies even if they're kinda small ones.

On the other hand I don't really mind the Ottoman side of this plan. Hmm.
 
...oh lmao we should've never invited the Balkan states to this conference. I'll share the blame for supporting their invitation.
 
This was, to put it frankly, a mistake. I'm not going to say I told you so because I didn't object at the time but having to take sides in a bunch of irrelevant monarchical piss fights over lands they'll probably mistreat is not my definition of a good time.

(...]

One option is to just pick Bulgaria and fuck them over completely while making everyone else happy. That probably minimizes the fallout.

"What business is this of ours?" was indeed my first thought too. This is going to be a mess, and since we can't prevent it, I desire to at least not to be at fault for it.

That being said, if we have to pick sides, "fuck Bulgaria" is in fact an entirely rational stance to take. By doing so, we'd be following a consistent logic when it comes to our foreign policy.

Namely, if you opportunistically go to war with us, there will be hard feelings, and we will give you cause to regret it later. That's not a bad precedent to set, all things considered.
 
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By voter request, I've added a "Northern Macedonia to Albania" option and updated the other options accordingly.
[] Plan: The Master's Return
-[] Kosovo should go to Albania.
-[] Nis should go to Serbia.
-[] Northern Macedonia should go to Albania.
-[] Eastern Rumelia should go to the Ottoman Empire
-[] Bulgarian Eastern Macedonia should go to the Ottoman Empire.

-[] Ottoman Eastern Macedonia should remain with the Ottoman Empire.


We're so fucking back Ottobros
 
[] Plan: Vae Victis Bulgaria, Ad Amicos Nostros Turcas
-[] Kosovo should go to Albania.
-[] Nis should go to Serbia.
-[] Northern Macedonia should go to Albania.
-[] Eastern Rumelia should go to the Ottoman Empire.
-[] Bulgarian Eastern Macedonia should go to the Ottoman Empire.
-[] Ottoman Eastern Macedonia should remain with the Ottoman Empire.


Feeling up trying to help our radical members within the Ottoman Empire get a boost by propping up the maximalist extent that we could divide Bulgaria for them. Also chumming up Albania so we get a definitive lockdown on the Adriatic in perpetuity.
 
[] Plan: Yo Otto, My Man!
-[] Kosovo should go to Albania.
-[] Nis should go to Serbia.
-[] Northern Macedonia should go to Albania.
-[] Eastern Rumelia should go to the Ottoman Empire.
-[] Bulgarian Eastern Macedonia should go to the Ottoman Empire.
-[] Ottoman Eastern Macedonia should remain with the Ottoman Empire.
 
[] Plan: maximum funnies
-[] Kosovo should go to Albania.
-[] Nis should go to Serbia.
-[] Northern Macedonia should go to Greece.
-[] Eastern Rumelia should go to the Ottoman Empire.
-[] Bulgarian Eastern Macedonia should go to Greece.
-[] Ottoman Eastern Macedonia should remain with the Ottoman Empire.

this would create unimaginable tension amongst themselves and also clean up the borders while fucking over Bulgaria HARD
So assuming positive and negative opinions cancel out (big assumption but let's run with it), this plan gives
0 Albania
0 Serbia
+Greece
++Ottoman
---- Bulgaria.
Seems fine? Idk how I feel about rewarding the Young Ottomans considering they're socdems but I guess they're the least bad of the lot.

Update makes this plan neutral on Albania
 
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Investing in Serbia when we just pissed them off is probably not a good plan. This also makes us 3 enemies even if they're kinda small ones.

On the other hand I don't really mind the Ottoman side of this plan. Hmm.
A neutral Serbia's worth a slightly pissed off tiny Albania to me.The Ottomans are to be aggrandized both because of slight republican bent and as a check towards Greece (who we just pissed off) and a Russian front.

And to be real Bulgaria is simply not walking out of this happily in any plan.
 
I think we should at least have some fig leaf to national liberation, so I'm leery of giving the Sublime Porte anything. They're also the only party who will be perfectly happy if we don't give them anything at all, so let's just do that.

Greece (who we just pissed off)
Isn't Greece neutral towards us?
 
I would caution against pissing Greece off too much, it would be a disastrous basing for the Entente to mess with us.

Isn't Greece neutral towards us?

Not after that plan :V


[] Plan: good, clean borders
-[] Kosovo should go to Albania.
-[] Nis should go to Serbia.
-[] Northern Macedonia should go to Greece.
-[] Eastern Rumelia should remain with Bulgaria.
-[] Bulgarian Eastern Macedonia should go to Greece.
-[] Ottoman Eastern Macedonia should remain with the Ottoman Empire.

This goes a bit lighter on Bulgaria and doesn't give anything to the Ottomans because they're the one power that will be satisfied with that and this is much better borders than if they get the interior and not the coast.

Greece will like us even if they don't get absolutely everything, which will be helpful in guarding the Adriatic.
 
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I think you guys are really leaning hard on a minor faction in the Young Ottomans with the maximalist Ottoman plans. There's socialists in the British Labour party but if someone handed Labour a big W on a plate it's not the socialists who will get the credit!
 
[] Plan: Guaranteed Balkan Peace
-[] Kosovo should go to Albania.
-[] Nis should remain with Bulgaria.
-[] Northern Macedonia should go to Serbia.
-[] Eastern Rumelia should go to the Ottoman Empire.
-[] Bulgarian Eastern Macedonia should go to the Ottoman Empire.
-[] Ottoman Eastern Macedonia should go to Greece.
 
[] Only Because I Think it Would Be Funny
-[] Kosovo should remain with Serbia.
-[] Nis should go to Serbia.
-[] Northern Macedonia should go to Greece.
-[] Eastern Rumelia should go to the Ottoman Empire.
-[] Bulgarian Eastern Macedonia should go to Greece.
--[] Bulgarian Western Thrace should go to the Ottoman Empire.
-[] Ottoman Eastern Macedonia should remain with the Ottoman Empire.

Presented without comment.

 
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[] Plan: Yo Otto, My Man!
-[] Kosovo should go to Albania.
-[] Nis should go to Serbia.
-[] Northern Macedonia should go to Albania.
-[] Eastern Rumelia should go to the Ottoman Empire.
-[] Bulgarian Eastern Macedonia should go to the Ottoman Empire.
-[] Ottoman Eastern Macedonia should remain with the Ottoman Empire
 
[] Plan: Fuck Bulgaria, Anti-Meme Action
[] Kosovo should remain with Serbia.
[] Nis should go to Serbia.
[] Northern Macedonia should go to Greece.
[] Eastern Rumelia should go to the Ottoman Empire.
[] Bulgarian Eastern Macedonia should go to Greece.
[] Ottoman Eastern Macedonia should go to Greece.
 
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