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I'd like to encourage everyone to read this take, because I think it's important.
Springtime of Nations II: A European Republic Quest
- Thread starter Etranger
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- Original Alt. History
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- Reno
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[X] Enter into negotiations
Nervos Belli
Don't think this means you've won!
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- Murica
[X] Refuse to negotiate.
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- Phoenix, Arizona
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Wasn't the entire reason we pandered to the Entente with the Scandinavian negotiations to allow us to ignore things like this? We're now surrendering the initiative after Russia just massively fucked up for, what, a negotiation we plan to torpedo anyways under the assumption it'll make us look "reasonable"? I could stomach it when it wasn't impacting the war effort, but come on now! Handing Russia another million men on the Polish Front for, what, a little more entente goodwill, after we already handed them a massive appeasement with Scandinavia?
Vote no negotiations! We must keep the initative to avoid more German lives being lost unnecessarily in the name of "appearing peaceful!"
Vote no negotiations! We must keep the initative to avoid more German lives being lost unnecessarily in the name of "appearing peaceful!"
camloste
Corsair
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- the dreams i left behind
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- Lake Wobegon
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@monty
The actual exchange was this:
"Making unacceptable demands could be less bad, Entente-opinion-wise, than refusing to negotiate" is not the same as "making unacceptable demands will be less bad than refusing to negotiate," and moreover doesn't foreclose the possibility that making unacceptable demands could be worse than refusing to negotiate.
The actual exchange was this:
"Making unacceptable demands could be less bad, Entente-opinion-wise, than refusing to negotiate" is not the same as "making unacceptable demands will be less bad than refusing to negotiate," and moreover doesn't foreclose the possibility that making unacceptable demands could be worse than refusing to negotiate.
- Location
- SF Bay Area
[X] Refuse to negotiate.
It is true that this war has been expensive and that a pause for a ceasefire might be beneficial in strengthening our forces. However…
Specifically, a message to everyone still oppressed by the Habsburg and Romanov monarchies (not to mention the empires of the Entente) that our goal is not just claiming territory for our nation but the complete destruction of the tyranny under which they're living.
It is true that this war has been expensive and that a pause for a ceasefire might be beneficial in strengthening our forces. However…
Specifically, a message to everyone still oppressed by the Habsburg and Romanov monarchies (not to mention the empires of the Entente) that our goal is not just claiming territory for our nation but the complete destruction of the tyranny under which they're living.
Regency
PFP by vanathema (previously yubishines)
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Goodwill which we've burned by annexing Bohemia. Sure, it was a free and fair election, but the rest of the world outside the Alliance disagrees. We and Italy can amass millions more of reasonably-trained men still, and we could also reenlarge our ammo & armaments stockpile. Either refuse this deal and end the war sooner than we would prefer, or try to find a way to delay that inevitable Entente-enforced end.
Which is why we should design the "peace deal package" in such a way as to still curb the diplomatic hit - and accordingly, subsequent acceleration of Entente involvement & an earlier end to the war than we prefer - that refusing a peace deal outright would have caused, while still allowing us to continue the war. Especially if we could leverage a Russian exit while still achieving liberation of Poland.
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If it's using the leverage system used last time, anything below 0 will cause an international relations hit, and only things below a certain threshold of negative numbers will cause auto-refusal, so, this is nowhere near guaranteed to happen.
Etranger has also made it clear that certain options are more or less palatable to certain powers. It should be perfectly feasible to design a peace package that favors the Entente while being unacceptable to the league.
Regency
PFP by vanathema (previously yubishines)
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- Morioh Town, Mt. Ebbot
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Refusing outright after our CB (a ship that's questionable if Austria is involved at all) is, I figured, worse than anything above -3 (auto-rejected proposal). And the lower the leverage differential gets before that point, the less likely they'll accept our counter-offer - opting to either reject or propose their own counter-offer.
We could aim for the -2 level in negotiations for that possibility. Of course if making Russia exit is also a great advantage - provided they concede to liberated Poland. IMO not improbable if the alternative is continuing to bleed for our imminent dissolution of the Quaruple Monarchy
nachtingale
20. On that "honk, mimimi" type beat everyday.
- Location
- Malaysia
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[X] Refuse to negotiate
No peace with the reactionaries.
No peace with the reactionaries.
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- Derna
[X] Refuse to negotiate.
I think the diplomatic arguments for negotiating are strong but I really don't understand the operational pause ones. On their side, one belligerents army is in near complete collapse and the other is functional but running low on reserves. On the other, the German army is battered but standing strong and the Italian army is only just getting in on the action. Sure, our army could use the break - but they need it much much much more.
I think the diplomatic arguments for negotiating are strong but I really don't understand the operational pause ones. On their side, one belligerents army is in near complete collapse and the other is functional but running low on reserves. On the other, the German army is battered but standing strong and the Italian army is only just getting in on the action. Sure, our army could use the break - but they need it much much much more.
camloste
Corsair
- Location
- the dreams i left behind
oh, i see. that is quite different.@monty
The actual exchange was this:
"Making unacceptable demands could be less bad, Entente-opinion-wise, than refusing to negotiate" is not the same as "making unacceptable demands will be less bad than refusing to negotiate," and moreover doesn't foreclose the possibility that making unacceptable demands could be worse than refusing to negotiate.
[X] Refuse to negotiate.
dex10awesome
Anarcho-Determinist
- Location
- Australia
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[X] Refuse to negotiate.
[X] Refuse to negotiate.
It is true that this war has been expensive and that a pause for a ceasefire might be beneficial in strengthening our forces. However…
Specifically, a message to everyone still oppressed by the Habsburg and Romanov monarchies (not to mention the empires of the Entente) that our goal is not just claiming territory for our nation but the complete destruction of the tyranny under which they're living.
This is an excellent point actually. The Imperial League likely won't be able to turn the war around in three months, but they could easily use the time to crack down on revolutionary groups with their freed up manpower. They could crack down on Polish partisans in occupied Poland, deport German radicals from Prussia to Siberia, and start executing every socialist they get their hands. Three months gives them time to start hammering every radical group hard while they have the chance.
Yeah I vote to go for the attack so we can do something like the beginning of the uprising so we don't need to attack the enemy as they fell themselves