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Seeing Red [Naruto]

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Honestly we don't really have the context to give a good answer for this at the moment.

"My defenses aren't on par with my offense." We learned this one while being mobbed and attacked from multiple directions by opponents who must have been at least near-equal to us as a freshly minted genin. We made a very good showing here, in spite of the likely result if no one had shown up to help out.

"I rely too much on the Sharingan." Maybe in training. If we're using the Sharingan to compensate for a physically/skillfully superior opponent (Sasuke) when we could instead be working on our own basic abilities to catch up, sure that's a problem. It's not a direct and deadly combat weakness though.

"Being mobbed by multiple opponents." Yeah, like we're anything special in that regard. Stating this one just makes us sound arrogant. (I'm fairly certain this one was used as a joke, anyway >_>)

"I don't have the stamina for a prolonged engagement." I think Kakashi wouldn't think this is a big deal :V

I actually kind of want to say it's monofocus even with very little actual evidence to that - we would have been able to entirely avert the multiple opponents situation if we dealt with Trenchcoat's obviously significant seal ASAP, and we cut one of Naruto's clones while attacking Kakashi's own clone earlier. Seems a bit of a stretch though.

I'm voting for:
[X] I don't know.
 
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Redshirt Army said:
... well, they're much less effort to aquire, if that's what you mean. Quality wise, a seal you can instantly trigger with no negative side effects is superior.
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Yeah that what i mean, but they also restore stamina of the ninja and offers a boost of energy to them.

Also what i see as the problem is that foreign chakra in too much quantity is what makes it too bad for the body so i think the same problem would apply for the seal of Chakra.
 
Redshirt Army said:
I'll note that as a fairly talented sensor (we sensed what was up with Sakura at quite a distance), we're actually in a better position to deal with blind-fighting than, say, Naruto or Sasuke.
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It is an untrained talent though, and part of training how to overcome the most common methods for opponents to counter the Sharingan would involve training chakra sensing, but given the current voting trend it looks like defensive technique training is what Hisana will be training.

I suppose I'll need to start brainstorming how to do so with Hisana's chakra affinity, my immediate thought on the matter is to work on chakra sensing to always spot an attack coming, and get good enough with body flicker to avoid it.
 
Redshirt Army said:
... well, they're much less effort to aquire, if that's what you mean. Quality wise, a seal you can instantly trigger with no negative side effects is superior.
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There's also the factor that the chakra seal will be useful for the rest of Kakashi's life, and unless he's planning on dying shortly which for some reason I have my doubts about, it'd match wonderfully with both his weaknesses and strengths. Kakashi is after all only in his mid 20's, and logically unless a Fourth Shinobi War kicks off his chance of dying is quite small. Plus if there is a 4SW, he's gonna want that seal anyway.
 
Actually: @Tekomandor how quickly can we use the Replacement technique, and can we do so with our sword in hand?

Because Hisana was pretty focused on that kunai spear that was going to kill her if Sasuke hadn't saved the day.
 
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Hmmmm.

You know, I kinda agree with someone up this page about our weaknesses - much as we wanted to pinpoint our weaknesses, we don't exactly clear on them because it's actually pretty spread out in certain perspective.

So I'll pick [X] I don't know because I wanna see Kakashi's reaction.

He can call us lazy or whatever, but it is unusual for someone who managed to corral two pint-sized powerhouses to be unable to decide what the hell our weaknesses are. This even actually played into the 'I'm not telling a masked intruder my weaknesses!' joke vote.
 
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Great Greedy Guts said:
Having the chakra to power through something is a form of defence, even if a crappy one, and he's got a bunch of water stuff, plus Samehada's ability to eat chakra.

Itachi used a crapload of genjutsu to defend himself, on top of more Magekyo-specific stuff.

Deidara has "fly away" which isn't easy but does give him some advantages... and for all that he's one of the weakest of Akatsuki in outright combat because of that lack, I'd say.



I think some people (not just you) aren't really clear on what "defence" means in a fight, and are thinking of it as being limited to a shield, or armor, maybe. It's an understandable mistake, especially with things like GoT pushing the whole "swordfighting is about sticking 'em with the pointy end" meme, and most games using armor/shield for just that purpose and skills primarily for attacking.

The primary goal in a fight to the death is to not die. The secondary goal is to kill your opponent. Now, usually accomplishing the second goal will help with the first goal, but that isn't always the case. After all, it's pretty easy to wind up killing each other, which is an out-and-out loss for you in terms of achieving those goals.

Defensive abilities in historical swordplay (where I have the most training) do include things like blocking, parrying, and so on. Those are also almost always part of attacking, as well. You prevent your opponent from killing you by getting control of their sword, then you kill them with your sword while maintaining that control. As such, the ability to control the flow of the fight and keep the strong part of your weapon turned to the opponent's weaker part is the paramount defensive technique around. That means you have to get a read on your opponent and last long enough to put them down, whether that takes ten seconds or ten minutes.

You say that dual-use techniques aren't defensive? I say that any good defensive technique is dual-use. Even a wall of earth blocks lines of sight and could be used to close off an enemy's available lines of attack.

Clones might help you land a hit by fooling your enemy, but the primary use is to make the enemy uncertain of where you really are. The substitution might let you catch someone by surprise/overcommitting, but the primary use is to keep yourself safe from an enemy attack. Genjutsu messes with an enemy's ability to analyze the world around them, on a larger scale than clones.

Hell, taking it a step further, I'd even say that most good attack jutsu are dual-purpose as well. A truly overwhelming first strike prevents the enemy from having the chance to strike back. The Great Fireball can cover up other moves and distract the enemy (its primary use in canon, even).

The best defence is a good offence, because a good offence keeps you safe while you attack, giving your enemy two or more things to contend with.

This is also why I think the write-in version is better than the pre-made. It isn't about not having a defensive jutsu, it's about our ability to defend ourselves. That's the far more accurate and realistic thing to have an issue with between the two. (Semi-relatedly, the lowest level of rank-up test for my swordfighting school was to fight for fifteen continuous minutes with perfect form. You had to defend against a series of challengers of various skill levels and defend yourself without breaks while they rotated out. Win or lose, just maintain form.)

Hisana right now can do the initial attack. She doesn't have the endurance for extended combat, the skill/techniques to allow her to catch her breath or hold off multiple enemies, or the certainty of her initial attack putting down most opponents. She can, on the other hand, compensate for not using her Sharingan, even if it puts her at a disadvantage. She can do that even better if she's able to defend herself against the unexpected.

I posit that not only is this Hisana's current issue, it's the big issue for most ninja, and will continue to be hers for some time. That it is perhaps a truism doesn't make it less true, or important for her to recognize.
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5xp for an excellent post.
 
Clearly we need to grind our Replacement Technique until we can use it so rapidly that it becomes a devastating offensive technique. You can survive a Kunai, but can you survive a million of logs falling on your head?

We shall become Hisana the Wooden Rain, an SS-class Shinobi of terrible power, suspected of being a bastard offspring of Hashirama.
 
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[x] My defenses in general aren't on par with my offence, and in some situations a first strike isn't good enough.

edit: changed my mind
 
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Redshirt Army said:
But our name doesn't start with "Ka-", so we can't get the appropriate nickname! Unacceptable.
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Then we shall be... Hisharama! We shall remind the world of how terrifying trees can be!

Minato may have killed an army, but we shall drown a village in LOGS. And it will be horrifying as they suffocate!

Edit: Or better yet: Hisana the Hashirama!
 
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Yeah, I agree with I don't know.

The thing is that we're very good for our level, and also quite well rounded. We don't really have any obvious weaknesses technique-wise.

Problems are more likely to be tactical or personality flaws that lead to us being blindsided...

[x] I don't know
 
Tekomandor said:
Anyway, still come to training ground six tomorrow, but since you passed no need to bring your mission stuff.
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Since it wasn't mentioned as a vote option, I assume we're taking out mission gear by default. But just in case~

[X] Have team take normal mission gear.

Good chance we'll end up needing it. He didn't actually tell us not to bring anything, and he's enough of a troll to pull something like that.
 
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Kioras said:
Learnin sealless ninjutsu would help a lot also, since she is primarily a close range sword figher currently.
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We've got at least one Jutsu mastered to the point of seal-less casting already:

Tekomandor said:
"The jutsu for this year's test is the clone jutsu. Please make three or more clones, and then you're done." Mizuki said, and Hisana created three sealess clones. She'd worked damn hard on getting that down so that she could use it sword in hand, and there was no way she wasn't going to show it off.
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It seems reasonable to assume that we've mastered seal-less replacements as well, given the training option that ultimately gave us seal-less clones was "Learn to integrate basic ninjutsu into your kenjutsu," not "Learn to integrate the Bunshin into your kenjutsu." Possibly Henge as well, though that would probably be more in the misdirection/'I am now a rock' sense of things, not the 'How long is my sword motherfuckers' sense that was discussed briefly.
 
Breadnaugt said:
Since it wasn't mentioned as a vote option, I assume we're taking out mission gear by default. But just in case~

[X] Have team take normal mission gear.

Good chance we'll end up needing it. He didn't actually tell us not to bring anything, and he's enough of a troll to pull something like that.
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Um, that one already passed. There's a new update after that.
 
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