I made that comment before Tekomandor actually updated the char sheet.
Seeing Red [Naruto]
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[x] - Fuinjutsu:
-[x] - Try to create a basic chakra storage seal.
[x] - Genjutsu
-[x] - Get the basics of Genjutsu down.
[x] - Kenjutsu
-[x] - Learn techniques intended to counter ninja from a former Samurai.
-[x] - Learn to integrate basic ninjutsu into your kenjutsu.
Have people forgotten how broken Fuinjutsu is? Or how useful it would be to have a storage seal?
-[x] - Try to create a basic chakra storage seal.
[x] - Genjutsu
-[x] - Get the basics of Genjutsu down.
[x] - Kenjutsu
-[x] - Learn techniques intended to counter ninja from a former Samurai.
-[x] - Learn to integrate basic ninjutsu into your kenjutsu.
Have people forgotten how broken Fuinjutsu is? Or how useful it would be to have a storage seal?
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Presumably because plans have some sort of strategy behind them, and a vision of where they are going, and how their picks will work together.
As opposed to just picking options because the individual option looks cool.
Helps promote forward planning instead of simply impulse picks.
Else you end up with situations where, say, the most popular plan or thread consensus is ALL kenjutsu/genjutsu and instead you get kenjutsu and fuinjutsu because a bunch of people picked fuinjutsu because it looked cool at the time.
Ah.
My apologies.
I'm voting against the storage seal explicitly because I don't think it's possible. Chakra storage seals are explicitly high end, extremely powerful boosts, and I don't see a "skip a few grades" level of prodigy being able to craft one before she graduates. I think it's a trap option where we get to "try" to create it and fail.
Vindictus
XENO
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Just off the top of my head, but what skills did the S-Class ninja Sasori demonstrate, other than the creation and use of his Puppets?
What about Konan? Did she ever demonstrate any techniques that weren't based around her Paper Release specialty?
What skills does Kabuto demonstrate that aren't related directly back to his specialty in Medical Malpractice?
Oooh, ooh, what about Naruto himself? How broad, precisely, is the training we see him receive?
There are a few elite ninja with excessively broad bodies of skill - but for the most part, these ninja are either famous for that broad base (Hiruzen Sarutobi and his students), or they have the Sharingan to copy skills with. Unless the story pulled some fresh bullshit after I stopped reading/watching, most of the elite ninja are elite because they specialized intensively in a single area.
Reading comprehension fail - I'm not saying the Renaissance itself was peaceful. I'm saying the group of people who romanticized the idea of the Renaissance Man, after the Renaissance was long since over, were.
Yeah for most genin and chunin its shortsighted to use shadow clones too freely in combat situations. The jutsu not only has a cost for the clones generation with steady drain to maintain form but it also splits the pool of chakra so even one clone can easily cost a person half their chaka if maintained to long. Naruto not only has large reserves but insane recuperation such it looks like he never runs out.
Most young genin don't have the experince to properly judge when a jutsu is most effective. In the field its dangerous to wipe out half or more of ones energy for a fragile duplicate so jonin don't just teach it to genin.
[X] Plan Healing Fire Blade
-[x] - Ninjutsu
--[x] - Work on finding and training Hisana's elemental affinity.
-[x] - Kenjutsu
--[x] - Learn techniques intended to counter ninja from a former Samurai.
--[x] - Learn to integrate basic ninjutsu into your kenjutsu.
-[x] - Iryojutsu
--[x] - Begin to learn the Mystical Palm Jutsu.
I still think voting by plan is a bad idea and I hate it, but if I must, I must. Here are my justifications.
Doubling up on swords gives her a real melee specialty, and anti-ninja samurai techniques are something that many foes may simply not have the experience to know how to counter. Healing justu will give her more endurance in the field, Finally, to incorporate basic ninjutsu into kenjutsu, it'll help to know her elemental affinity.
Why am I not picking the chakra storage seal despite how incredibly useful it would be? Because I think it's a trap option where Hisana is being overly confident to think she can do it, and it'll actually fail and end up having been a waste of time. "Try" does not inspire confidence in me.
-[x] - Ninjutsu
--[x] - Work on finding and training Hisana's elemental affinity.
-[x] - Kenjutsu
--[x] - Learn techniques intended to counter ninja from a former Samurai.
--[x] - Learn to integrate basic ninjutsu into your kenjutsu.
-[x] - Iryojutsu
--[x] - Begin to learn the Mystical Palm Jutsu.
I still think voting by plan is a bad idea and I hate it, but if I must, I must. Here are my justifications.
Doubling up on swords gives her a real melee specialty, and anti-ninja samurai techniques are something that many foes may simply not have the experience to know how to counter. Healing justu will give her more endurance in the field, Finally, to incorporate basic ninjutsu into kenjutsu, it'll help to know her elemental affinity.
Why am I not picking the chakra storage seal despite how incredibly useful it would be? Because I think it's a trap option where Hisana is being overly confident to think she can do it, and it'll actually fail and end up having been a waste of time. "Try" does not inspire confidence in me.
[x] Plan Phantom Blade
@Vindictus Why learning elemental affinity over Fuinjutsu? We don't actually have a source from which we can learn Jutsu's right now. So it seems like a waste to use a whole turn on it when we will most likely have the chance to grab some Chakara paper if we wait for when actually reach Genin and quest slows done timewise?
@Tekomandor
Did you intend to say 'Chakara Storage seal' a S-rank technique or did you actually mean normal storage seal?
Edit: Okay the wiki is giving me mixed messages. Someone with better knowledge of cannon help?
@Vindictus Why learning elemental affinity over Fuinjutsu? We don't actually have a source from which we can learn Jutsu's right now. So it seems like a waste to use a whole turn on it when we will most likely have the chance to grab some Chakara paper if we wait for when actually reach Genin and quest slows done timewise?
@Tekomandor
Did you intend to say 'Chakara Storage seal' a S-rank technique or did you actually mean normal storage seal?
Edit: Okay the wiki is giving me mixed messages. Someone with better knowledge of cannon help?
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Chakra storage seal is too much of a goodie, especially with Naruto right there to be used as a battery, to be missed. And, unlike every other thing, it's a strength that accumulates over time. There's a clear advantage to getting it earlier - having one more year to actually make use of it.
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So why don't all ninjas have one?
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Because most would put years effort into getting a fancier soldier pill.
NegativeJ
LOVE
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Iryojutsu or more broadly medicine.
"Every day you use dozens of products that have strong chemicals in them, but remember, the only difference between poison and medicine is dosage."
Vindictus
XENO
- Location
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Anyway, if we want to improve our capacity rapidly, it might be a good idea to take advantage of the post rewards mechanic to gain XP for that purpose:
1) A higher elemental affinity lets us learn jutsu using that element more quickly. Therefore, developing a high affinity early on allows us to save time learning jutsu later, when we do get access to them.
2) Knowing our elemental affinity allows us to plan our build more effectively, sooner. Different forms of elemental jutsu fit different tactical roles, with different strengths we can leverage and weaknesses we will need to mitigate.
3) With a high elemental affinity and shape manipulation (which isn't an option yet, but I assume will be at some point), we will be able to better adapt jutsu to fit our needs, or possibly even create jutsu from scratch.
Developing elemental affinity is of benefit for these reasons:
1) A higher elemental affinity lets us learn jutsu using that element more quickly. Therefore, developing a high affinity early on allows us to save time learning jutsu later, when we do get access to them.
2) Knowing our elemental affinity allows us to plan our build more effectively, sooner. Different forms of elemental jutsu fit different tactical roles, with different strengths we can leverage and weaknesses we will need to mitigate.
3) With a high elemental affinity and shape manipulation (which isn't an option yet, but I assume will be at some point), we will be able to better adapt jutsu to fit our needs, or possibly even create jutsu from scratch.
Vindictus
XENO
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True, but that's one skill, which is pretty closely related to Sasori's specialty (The human puppet), not a broad variety of skills.
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[X] Plan Healing Fire Blade
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[X] PLAN CLERICAL SWORD MAGIC
Are you sure you don't want Genjutsu before Iroyjutsu? We have the Sharigan after all. It would be criminal for us not to take advantage of it.
Also I'm pretty sure that Healing justu remains firmly in the realm of post-action care unless you reach Tsunade level.
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I'd rather focus.
I meant endurance from fight to fight. Think missions like what they were trying to simulate in the Forest of Death in the chuunin exam arc. Sometimes you'll be on the run for days, having a series of skirmishes. If that happens, you don't want injuries gained in one fight to kill you by slowing you down in the next.
Ok, let me actually name my plan:
[X] Plan Takeoff 1.0
[x] - Fuinjutsu:
-[x] - Try to create a basic chakra storage seal.
-[x] - Ninjutsu
--[x] - Work on finding and training Hisana's elemental affinity.
[x] - Kenjutsu
-[x] - Learn techniques intended to counter ninja from a former Samurai.
[x] - Iryojutsu
-[x] - Begin to learn the Mystical Palm Jutsu.
The idea is to learn skills that would allow us to train more effectively:
1) Chakra storage seal. Unlike every other skill available, this one is prep. oriented. The earlier we get it, the more we get out of it. @Tekomandor could you clarify, what chakra storage seal is? How is it different from "Strength of the Hundred" technique? Does it allow chakra transfusions (ie one persons seals some chakra, and then another person uses said chakra), and are there limitations (like chakra affinities being similar to blood types for the purpose of transfusions)? Are seals perishable? What is the expected efficiency? If one spends the whole day worth of chakra (ie all the chakra available throughout the day) storing it, how much (in terms of days worth of chakra) would be available afterwards? Can the seal be released gradually or only all at once?
2) Medical Palm Jutsu - allows for more active training, especially when coupled with chakra storage seal. Being able to reliably heal even small injuries, bruises and such would be a tremendous help in training.
3) Elemental affinity - as we'll also likely be discovering affinities of Naruto and Sasuke, this is a good foundational part. I am willing to trade it for genjutsu.
4) Kenjutsu - this is my one thing that is not like others, and that I want simply because I want character interaction with an ex-samurai sensei that might become a part of the plot.
Basically, Medical Palm + Chakra Storage = more time spend on more intensive training than otherwise possible. One slot for kenjutsu because I want kenjutsu. And one spot I am open to suggestions on.
[X] Plan Takeoff 1.0
[x] - Fuinjutsu:
-[x] - Try to create a basic chakra storage seal.
-[x] - Ninjutsu
--[x] - Work on finding and training Hisana's elemental affinity.
[x] - Kenjutsu
-[x] - Learn techniques intended to counter ninja from a former Samurai.
[x] - Iryojutsu
-[x] - Begin to learn the Mystical Palm Jutsu.
The idea is to learn skills that would allow us to train more effectively:
1) Chakra storage seal. Unlike every other skill available, this one is prep. oriented. The earlier we get it, the more we get out of it. @Tekomandor could you clarify, what chakra storage seal is? How is it different from "Strength of the Hundred" technique? Does it allow chakra transfusions (ie one persons seals some chakra, and then another person uses said chakra), and are there limitations (like chakra affinities being similar to blood types for the purpose of transfusions)? Are seals perishable? What is the expected efficiency? If one spends the whole day worth of chakra (ie all the chakra available throughout the day) storing it, how much (in terms of days worth of chakra) would be available afterwards? Can the seal be released gradually or only all at once?
2) Medical Palm Jutsu - allows for more active training, especially when coupled with chakra storage seal. Being able to reliably heal even small injuries, bruises and such would be a tremendous help in training.
3) Elemental affinity - as we'll also likely be discovering affinities of Naruto and Sasuke, this is a good foundational part. I am willing to trade it for genjutsu.
4) Kenjutsu - this is my one thing that is not like others, and that I want simply because I want character interaction with an ex-samurai sensei that might become a part of the plot.
Basically, Medical Palm + Chakra Storage = more time spend on more intensive training than otherwise possible. One slot for kenjutsu because I want kenjutsu. And one spot I am open to suggestions on.
Breadnaugt
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@Tekomandor, instead of the listed Iryojutsu option, would you accept a write in?
Something like~
[ ] - Take a volunteer shift at the Hospital as an orderly and use sharingan to Copy medical jutsu when you get the chance.
If we can just spend a reasonable amount of time around med-nin, we'll see a few basic healing jutsu in use. We could then copy them.
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Our Iryojutsu is only at 15 with us having put a turn into it and our Genjutsu is at 10 naturally. Considering how much of an advantage having the Sharigan is when it comes Genjutsu I would advise shifting our focus now rather than latter.
Pretty sure Ninja's have a way of dealing with this since we see teams like e.g. team Guy without a dedicated healer of anysort.
Let's run through this.
Senno Sosa no Jutsu, an A-rank ninjutsu which he used to conceal/brainwash his sleeper agent Yura while a member of Sand's ruling council.
He explicitly demonstrates kenjutsu in his own right when he stabbity-stabs Sakura.
He makes the best poisons outright, and is a superlative surgeon to convert his body into an Eclipse Phase morph; that's shitloads of Medicine.
Thousand Hands Manipulation Force requires some heavy duty fuinjutsu to rig up in his puppets, let alone the storage seals for his Red Secret Technique and other tools.
Then there's Human Puppets, which is some freaky freaky(unexplained) stuff.
Seriously, the guy was Ninjutsu 5, Taijutsu 4, Genjutsu 4 for a good reason.
You mean Konan the woman with Yang, Earth, Water and Wind release?
That we only ever see fight once in the manga?
Fuinjutsu, as used on Anko to drain her post-timeskip.
Genjutsu powerful enough to nuke an entire stadium during the Konoha Invasion. Ninjutsu powerful enough to use Edo Tensei. Summoning.
Fuckmothering Sage Mode, which Orochimaru was unable to attain.
And that doesn't include intangibles, like the skill to blend undercover in every major village in the Elemental Countries before he became a teenager. Or the combat ability to eliminate entire ANBU squads silently, or to lead forces against Kakashi and Gai during the Invasion.
Don't ever make the mistake of thinking Kabuto a one-trick pony.
Taijutsu Naruto, up to and including frogfu.
Wind Release Naruto. Fuinjutsu-summoning scroll Naruto, who had the skill to create Sage chakra channeling clones and link them to a scroll.
Sensor Naruto from Sage training.
The only thing we don't see him training in or using is genjutsu, and we see that cost him when two successive Uchiha get inside his head.
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