Putting our armies all to work on sewers is suicidal. We'll be without any defenses!
Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization
Putting our armies all to work on sewers is suicidal. We'll be without any defenses!
- Location
- Illinois
For happiness, we just need to start the turn at 8 happiness to use it. Stat iterations happen after actions.
As to BEN Nohon and DO Beh, we very much can afford to leave those for a bit. Beh is pretty much guaranteed to be more aligned to us than the Sketch in large part due to the Ochruhr, while the Nohon aren't the immediate danger. Getting the BEN into the Kiel or Sketch is far more important right now, because those are our pivotal battlegrounds.
And railroads aren't a shiny. They are literally the most vital thing we have right now. A rail to Kiel enhances our food advantage, brings Kiel further into our sphere of influence, and gives us a permanent trade route even in the case of a Sketch blockade, as Kiel will remain neutral, and as such an attack in Kiel shipping would be an utter disaster for the Sketch.
Not to mention the other logistical advantages the rail would give us, from increasing steel imports to allow us to make yet more rails, to letting us control even more of the global food trade.
And we do need two companies. Each company gives what amounts to +4 temp ic per turn, so the earlier we get it, the more we benefit.
- Location
- Somewhere
We have a slight problem, veekie the Sketch wants to sell meta-green right now. Meta-green. We shouldn't choose someone who would look at meta-green and go "give me now!". The keilmyr are playing the Sketch and DC.
Meta-green would be noticed by which ever group we choose. Our ancient allies BS get my vote, if they collapse we could restore them through a blood tie.
ALL SKETCH SING HALLELUJAH TO VEEKIE THEIR BEST AGENT!
- Location
- United States
I'm not sure why you think getting closer ties to the TC would lead them to discover metagreen, better yet to the point that they could learn how to use it for themselves, and then decide to sell it to the Sketch instead of doing their own super secret program like we did.
If most of our own population doesn't know about the existence of metalight, why do you assume the TC (and thus the Sketch?) will learn about it and how to use it through a marriage tie to one noble?
This entire argument you are trying to make is rather silly.
Using up all our temp armies means we have nothing to defend ourselves;
This is what would happen if we pushed through a total re-arming in one turn via selling all our old weapons.Academia Nut said:
- Location
- Hell
We just finished a war and the Sketch will not be attacking us as it would be suicidal. They want us to attack someone. We can not do that with no army
More seriously, I sincerely doubt raising our Pollution that high will have no problems either. Especially with our super high Consciousness.
We have two poisons and we already ingested Pollution. I do not want to find out what additional effects higher levels have.
- Location
- Somewhere
Because the TC are not our bff. And I'd prefer being able to trust the marriage candidate instead of 'of course the TC are our bff slut we want to use today. Then forget about them when we gain their shinies.'
The TC know they are an intermediary between Sketch goods and DC goods. TC are aiding the Sketch and DC, playing both sides. TC don't need meta-green, they just need to know it exists, tell the Sketch, and watch the explosion.
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HanEmpire
Delicious
AN on Gun Diplomacy:
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Xon said:@Academia Nut so how would the Hung react if we sold them all our old weaponry?
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Does "closed" mean that it can't be researched or that its a state secret?
Including mechanics definitions would be helpful
- Location
- Illinois
It means that only direct research can increase it, so inno and other drips won't help.
It pretty much means it's on the bleeding edge, and so you can't have a guy in a garage build it. You need government funded researchers.
- Location
- Edmonton
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I can't believe people are actually considering voting on almost doubling our pollution.
Truly we have strayed from the light of God, here now at the peak is when Lightning shall most fittingly strike us for our impudence.
The Tree party refuses to support this action and holds the right to claim, "I told you so," for the next seven generations. So fly on Icarus, FLY TO THE SUN, IGNORANT OF THE WAX WHICH DRIPS FROM THINE WING.
This isn't fear mongering, because pollution is bad and clearly this risks narrative consequences. So help me if this degrades our forestry stat.
Truly we have strayed from the light of God, here now at the peak is when Lightning shall most fittingly strike us for our impudence.
The Tree party refuses to support this action and holds the right to claim, "I told you so," for the next seven generations. So fly on Icarus, FLY TO THE SUN, IGNORANT OF THE WAX WHICH DRIPS FROM THINE WING.
This isn't fear mongering, because pollution is bad and clearly this risks narrative consequences. So help me if this degrades our forestry stat.
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- Location
- Illinois
Er, our current pollution is mostly overcrowding and bad sewage. We can expect extra cholera outbreaks and other fun plagues.
Tree will not really be affected by current pollution. Millions dying of disease? Much more likely.
Selling weapons to the Hung, this means our military advisers should be more useful/influential as we are providing the tech base they are trained in. As this means they can more easily show why the Hung need modernizing and provide a quick carrot for it.
Honestly I don't care if we don't get much immediate benefit (ie temp Sol) if we are outfitting a friendly Hung with Great -Power peer weaponry & military reforms.
@Academia Nut so how much "obsolete military equipment"* do we have? Cos we have a lot of potential buyers
And the greatest army in the world means the hilarious amounts of surplus military gear to shift.*Aka can we keep churning out the "obsolete" to rapidly sell we want to sell to that wants to buy.
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ExNihilo
SPACE!
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Agreed. Even if it's not quite on par with the Nohon's gear, it's a lot better than the alternative. And against bandits? Night and day. Not quite "The Maxim gun and they have not" but it will be a great boost.
- Location
- Hell
Actually I thought of a way to solve it
[ ] Plan Green Industry! Mark II
-[ ] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[ ] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[ ] Found Kale-Yllthon Railway Company - 1 PW, -2 IC, founds company to automatically expand <X> arterial line each turn, IC refunded at end of project
-[ ] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -4 temp Army, +1 Sewer
-[ ] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -2 temp Army, -2 temp IC, +1 Sewer
-[ ] Build Espionage Network - 1 PW: -1 Temp Trust, +2 Temp Espionage (Kielmyr)
This drops one of the rail Companies, but still raises Industry and builds two sewers. That means our Industry rises to 14, but does not raise any Pollution. Army does not drop to zero as we have spare temporary Industry to use and thus still have two temporary Industry and temporary Army left.
That means next midturn, the Parties start with nine temporary Industry.
"But we want to speed the railway tho"
Actually, I have a solution to that
Considering the following conversation
[ ] Plan Green Industry! Mark II
-[ ] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[ ] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[ ] Found Kale-Yllthon Railway Company - 1 PW, -2 IC, founds company to automatically expand <X> arterial line each turn, IC refunded at end of project
-[ ] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -4 temp Army, +1 Sewer
-[ ] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -2 temp Army, -2 temp IC, +1 Sewer
-[ ] Build Espionage Network - 1 PW: -1 Temp Trust, +2 Temp Espionage (Kielmyr)
This drops one of the rail Companies, but still raises Industry and builds two sewers. That means our Industry rises to 14, but does not raise any Pollution. Army does not drop to zero as we have spare temporary Industry to use and thus still have two temporary Industry and temporary Army left.
That means next midturn, the Parties start with nine temporary Industry.
"But we want to speed the railway tho"
Actually, I have a solution to that
Considering the following conversation
You can talk to your local Farmer Party Representative @Killer_Whale about it. It has there support
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
As one of the ancient apparitions of Shipping that still lurks in the thread, I have to oppose any efforts to not pair up a Yenyna with a Khemetrian Prince.
... Even if the Octocrown would be cool.
... Even if the Octocrown would be cool.
Though I agree with your ultimate conclusion, I have to ask in which world wanting magical healing light is not a rational reaction.
- Location
- Australia
The main reason to start the Trans-Kyberi Railway Company now Is so we can start doing some free Settle Kyberi actions
We would want to do some Trans-Kyberi Railway actions too anyway as it take far too long for the railway company to do it if we planning to be at war with the Nohon anytime soon (And we should be planning for that even if we don't want it)
Development 36/53+25%
As we are coming up on max Development I think this is a good idea as I do not want to see what happens to our Pollution if we start going overmax on Development.
2 raise temp armies and 2 sewers is fairly efficient, for Temp IC but it does cost more PW.
KleverKil'Vanya
Ortillery Operator
I really get the feeling that once the rearmament's and new doctrine is implemented people will see our army as this.
So, Yenyna is already as tall as Nokly, who is himself tall compared to most people.
Metalight too stronk.
Astartes time?
- Location
- Hell
Actually, to just put it here as well
Behold!
The Urban Worker PartyMonstrosity Plan!
[ ] Plan Get to Work!
-[ ] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[ ] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[ ] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[ ] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -4 temp Army, +1 Sewer
-[ ] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -2 temp Army, -2 temp IC, +1 Sewer
-[ ] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -4 temp IC, +1 Sewer
Econ
Industrial Cap 18 (0) (Max. 11+75%)
Development 42/53+25%
Pollution 3 (4)
Infrastructure
Sewers 3/7
Martial
Armies 8 [1/8 Rearm] (2)
Just one more regular Develop Industry and we hit cap without additional Pollution!
Midturn we start with 9 temp Industry! Then we can really take off!
Behold!
The Urban Worker Party
[ ] Plan Get to Work!
-[ ] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[ ] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[ ] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[ ] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -4 temp Army, +1 Sewer
-[ ] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -2 temp Army, -2 temp IC, +1 Sewer
-[ ] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -4 temp IC, +1 Sewer
Econ
Industrial Cap 18 (0) (Max. 11+75%)
Development 42/53+25%
Pollution 3 (4)
Infrastructure
Sewers 3/7
Martial
Armies 8 [1/8 Rearm] (2)
Just one more regular Develop Industry and we hit cap without additional Pollution!
Midturn we start with 9 temp Industry! Then we can really take off!
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
Well, we could double-down on selling to the Hung.
Or, well, the CCP come to mind as the second target to sell to. Increase the "won't be crushed" chances for them some more. Also might make them favorable towards us in the long run; which might be great.
And... maybe it might be possible to cooperate with the Hespranxer in Mahaxia? If we find a common interest and work towards that.
(from here)
Though, I don't know if it'd be a good idea to try... Or if it might be better to try to back the New Hespranxer against the Syffryn Hes instead. I dunno. If helping the Hes against their colonies worked out wonderfully, we might befriend a quasi-enemy. If not though, then we'd have strengthened an opposed country. Plus, what actions would the Sketch take if we got invested in Mahaxia?
Hey, what would happen if the Hespranxer did manage to end up winning back their colonies? Would they get too strong for the Sketch to feel comfortable with them anymore? Though, how would they act towards us if that happened? But then again, if we had managed to befriend them in the process, maybe they wouldn't want to pick a fight with us...
... But they probably would want to war with the Khemetri for the Gibraltar back. Though IIRC, it was actually the Vortuga who had held the Khem part of Gibraltar for the longest time, right? It wasn't until the Hes took it from them recently-ish; so they actually hadn't had it all that long. (There were still Hes lands in Khem though, so there's that.) ... Bribe them with the Suez Canal maybe?
- Location
- Meycauayan, Bulacan, Philippines
The King's name is Yshuyn the Mad.