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Gardener of Human Happiness
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The old world will burn in the fires of industry. The forests will fall, a new order will rise.
Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
- Location
- Aotearoa
Aren't they on an earlier long-reigning queen right now?So sayeth the Sketch:
File:Queen Victoria the Princess Royal Victoria c1844-5.png - Wikipedia
Vicky tried to make friends with the French around 1844, too.
Art imitating life, eh.
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Seven years into her reign and already she's having trouble with Not!Russia.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
- Location
- Aotearoa
What the fudge?
Gets us to pollution 3(6) actually, due to IC over cap. Not that it matters much, in any case.
- Location
- Somewhere
Huh, if we had more than 10 inno... Hope we rise above 10 SoL.
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- Location
- Australia
What? We at Innovation 7 (14) we can Improve Standard of Living - 2PW + Innovation >10: Increases SoL by 1, -3 Temp IC no problem.
- Location
- Somewhere
We have inno 7, not > 10 inno. If we had >10 inno we could do what you say and do a RDI that gives us 2 IC for +1 pollution.
Edit: I'm probably misreading the stats though.
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Advanced actions are based on temp stats, not perm stats. The important number is the one in parentheses, which is 14 in this case. So yes, we have Inno > 10.
- Location
- Queensland, Australia
You forgot that it's the Temp Stat not the Perm Stat that counts, didn't you? We just need to have the temp stat equal or exceed the needed number during the turn with the other actions for it to be good.
Speaking of temp stats... Uh... I think our Temp Happiness should actually be 7 at best, not 8 @Academia Nut ... Because whilst we're 4 temp SoL over Consciousness, we've also got 3 (4) Pollution to decrease SoLs effect on Happiness.
Also guys... We have 7PW this turn. We should really take the -3 temp SoL +1 perm Espionage because we really want to get Espionage over 10, and it's a decent trade I think. Especially as it doesn't require us to spend a perm Trust, or have Trust at 10 or more, which never happens because we keep spending it...
It costs 1PW which means we have 6PW left. I really think we should spend 4 of that PW doing diplomacy, then use the last 2PW on either something industrial.
Because seriously guys... The Sketch are going to be playing diplomacy games, and our main actions, aka this turn right now, are the only time we do diplomacy and espionage actions.
The mid-turn is for the factions, and they are focused on industry. Let's spend our PW on the things only we really do and trust that the factions will definitely be taking advantage of the new industrial options. Because they definitely will.
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
- Location
- Present
All construction has the possibility of both destroying or discovering artefacts.
After considering mechanics a bit and fighting with the stats and spreadsheet, I decided that you, my friends, lack vision.
[ ] Plan Furnaces, Day and Night
-[ ] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[ ] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[ ] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[ ] Build Espionage Network - 1 PW: -1 Temp Trust, +2 Temp Espionage (Kielmyr)
-[ ] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
-[ ] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
-[ ] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -4 temp Army, +1 Sewer
That gets us to IC 18(6), 18(15) after regen, Armies 8(4), Pollution 5(13), Cons 3(21), SoL 7(19), Happiness 6(3), 6(5) if we blame rivals.
- But rails corps?
Honorable Conservative Party will invest during midturn, we just need to give them PW. Due to how IC regen works, it's actually more efficient that way, as we get more temp IC.
-But Pollution?
Yes, and? Honorable Liberal Party can build railroads and/or raise SoL during midturn, thus dealing with it, and it's not even actually dangerous for happiness if we rightfully blame perfidious Nohon and Sketch.
[ ] Plan Furnaces, Day and Night
-[ ] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[ ] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[ ] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[ ] Build Espionage Network - 1 PW: -1 Temp Trust, +2 Temp Espionage (Kielmyr)
-[ ] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
-[ ] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
-[ ] Construct Sewer - 1 PW: -4 temp Army, +1 Sewer
That gets us to IC 18(6), 18(15) after regen, Armies 8(4), Pollution 5(13), Cons 3(21), SoL 7(19), Happiness 6(3), 6(5) if we blame rivals.
- But rails corps?
Honorable Conservative Party will invest during midturn, we just need to give them PW. Due to how IC regen works, it's actually more efficient that way, as we get more temp IC.
-But Pollution?
Yes, and? Honorable Liberal Party can build railroads and/or raise SoL during midturn, thus dealing with it, and it's not even actually dangerous for happiness if we rightfully blame perfidious Nohon and Sketch.
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I'd be leaning to the Khemetri.
The obviously foreign nature of the Khemetri is offset by the fact that they are traditional allies, and have remained so for a while. Slavery is gone, IIRC.
The Kielmyr might look more like the DC, but you're hardly ever going to forget a Kiel spouse was born abroad regardless of the color of their skin.
Plus, I'm going to note that we accepted a bunch of Khemetri immigrants a couple years ago, both of Khem extraction and otherwise.
Minority, but now DC citizens.
I will also point out that we are major suppliers of iron ore +/-coal to the Kielmyr, as well as the other ores they need for specialty steels.
To the point where they invested in railways to keep it coming. That's why the Sketch disinvested themselves from the DC and instead of taking the money home, invested there as trade partners, to try to keep them neutralish in the ongoing geopolitical struggle.
Otherwise they were sliding into our orbit due to pure economic realities. The inertia still pulls them in this direction.
I very much agree with this.
The converse of Diplomacy is Espionage, because it provides information for the converse to be executed properly.
And with the Sketch pulling their shenanigans, we need better information.
Better information has saved our butts before, with the Och.
And with Sketch agents rampant, we need those networks.
Actually, I'd argue Khemetri is the safe pick for a spouse.
Old, old allies, stable nation, future military and economic opportunities in Suez.
Kielmyr would only be my second choice. Stable nation, major trading partner, leans neutral.
A Behyrvar or Styrmyr spouse pretty much ties us too strongly into future Syffrynite shenanigans on the continent.
Which has domestic political dangers after the next time we get dragged into a Syffrynite war.
And the Black Sheep remain too unstable to be a Tier One prospect.
Not sure why you're targeting an Espionage mission at the Kielmyr.Hm, with that in mind, plan looks like:
[ ] Plan Engines Full Steam Ahead!
-[ ] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[ ] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[ ] Trans-Kyberi Railway - 1 PW, -4 Temp Army, +1 Max Development, (4 more uses to remove Undeveloped Hinterlands status, 0/30 Actions to Completion) (0 PW for the first use a turn)
-[ ] Found Kale-Yllthon Railway Company - 1 PW, -2 IC, founds company to automatically expand <X> arterial line each turn, IC refunded at end of project
-[ ] Found Kale-Yllthon Railway Company - 1 PW, -2 IC, founds company to automatically expand <X> arterial line each turn, IC refunded at end of project
-[ ] Build Espionage Network - 1 PW: -1 Temp Trust, +2 Temp Espionage (Kielmyr)
-[ ] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
-[ ] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
Stat Changes: +4 Active Development, +3 Max Development, +2 Pollution, -4 Temp IC, +2 Crown Corp, +2 Temp Espionage, -1 Temp Trust, +4 PW for next turn/phase, -4 Temp Army. Leaves us with 2 temp IC, which will give factions 8 IC to play with once it regens, 6 Pollution (Tree Party is sharpening their knives, I suspect), 4 PW, in addition to 6 more PW for midturn, giving us a total of 10 PW for factions, plus their own 6 power, for a full total of 16 total possible PW to spend.
Oh, and army falls to 4, and will regen to 6 next turn, though I assume the Royalists will abuse the fuck out of the fact that a raise army action gives them 3 temp army for 2 temp IC, and then sell old weapons to gain rearmament progress along with mad dosh
I would suggest, assuming I understand the mechanics properly, attempting to raise Permanent Espionage instead, to Espionage 8. As given in this option:
Which allows us increase Permanent Espionage without burning Permanent Trust.
If the aim is actually industrial espionage(Cheap Steel et cetera), I would target the former Halvyni territories, Hespranxer and the new parts of Behryvar. Places with rails, where the turmoil of the last couple years should make it pretty easy to slide agents in to steal or otherwise acquire industrial technologies.
The Kielmyr being the best at steel doesn't make them the only ones after all.
And it prevents any friction if said agents are discovered.
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liberty90
Evil Neoliberal Cat
- Location
- Poland
Too dangerous in the case of random events; random events IMHO very probable with our Cons.
That's why I would be voting for blaming our rivals.
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Gardener of Human Happiness
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- Behind You
You know, this royal marriage business wouldn't be a problem if we simply overthrew the monarchy and installed a republic.
Assuming the above is true, this should work;
[] [Security] 1 PW - Improve Security funding (+3 Bonds, +1 Espionage)
[ ] Plan Furnaces, Day and Night
-[ ] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[ ] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[ ] Rapid Develop Industry - 1 PW: +2 IC and Active Development, +1 Pollution, -2 Temp IC
-[ ] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
-[ ] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
-[ ] Issue Bonds: 1 PW - +3 temp SoL for +3 Bonds
Cons 3(22), SoL 7(22), Happiness 6(5)
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- Location
- Australia
from a purely PW Efficiency standpoint there's only one plan, I can't think of any others that come close to it from a long-term point of view
[] [Security] 0 PW - Exile some rabble rousers to Kyberi (-1 temp Consciousness, -1 temp Militancy, Settle Kyberi action used)
[] [Security] 0 PW - Point the People at the Sketch or Nohon or something (-3 temp Consciousness, +1 temp Militancy, ???)
[] [Security] 0 PW - Keep digging (-1 temp Espionage, internal security sweep continues)
First we need to pick one of the 0 PW [Security] options as we don't have enough PW otherwise, my personal pic for this is
[] [Security] 0 PW - Exile some rabble rousers to Kyberi (-1 temp Consciousness, -1 temp Militancy, Settle Kyberi action used)
Next we come to the 5 Build Political Support, I know it's boring but any other plan is going to have to compete with this, as in every single PW we want to spend that cuts into this 5 will not just have to justify that it's useful, but also that it's time sensitive and can't wait for the midterm.
-[] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
-[]Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW x2
-[]Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW x3
-[]Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW x4
-[]Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW x5
Leaving us with two that can be spent however we want,form a PW Efficiency standpoint it has to be 2 Found <X> Railway Company, They literally save us 1PW a turn until they're done, this is comparable with Build Political Support though far less flexible.
The earlier we get them set up the better since we want to get them all done eventually anyway, the only question is if we can afford to do it now or have to put it off.
[] Found Kale-Yllthon Railway Company - 1 PW, -2 IC
[] Found Trans-Kyberi Railway Company - 1 PW, -2 IC
or if you really want
[] Found Valleyhome-Khemetri Railway Company - 1 PW, -2 IC
4 IC is a lot and will leave us at 8, I can already hear corn from here yelling at me But I'm here to tell you he doesn't actually need any more than that for the midterm
Industrial Subsidies - 1 PW: Up to -5 temp SoL for +5 temp IC
Consciousness 3 (15)
Standard of Living 7 (19)
Army Corp of Engineers - Temp IC costs for Major Infrastructure Projects, Railroads, and Sewers may be paid with Temp Armies instead of IC
What's this all the temp IC generation methods anyone can ask for, he can probably take Industrial Subsidies up 5 Temp IC without going under Temp Consciousness with our temp SoL.
No the real problem is that if we go with this plan he is going to take a lot of Rapid Develop Industry, with all it's Pollution problems.
[] [Security] 0 PW - Exile some rabble rousers to Kyberi (-1 temp Consciousness, -1 temp Militancy, Settle Kyberi action used)
[] [Security] 0 PW - Point the People at the Sketch or Nohon or something (-3 temp Consciousness, +1 temp Militancy, ???)
[] [Security] 0 PW - Keep digging (-1 temp Espionage, internal security sweep continues)
First we need to pick one of the 0 PW [Security] options as we don't have enough PW otherwise, my personal pic for this is
[] [Security] 0 PW - Exile some rabble rousers to Kyberi (-1 temp Consciousness, -1 temp Militancy, Settle Kyberi action used)
Next we come to the 5 Build Political Support, I know it's boring but any other plan is going to have to compete with this, as in every single PW we want to spend that cuts into this 5 will not just have to justify that it's useful, but also that it's time sensitive and can't wait for the midterm.
-[] Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW
-[]Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW x2
-[]Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW x3
-[]Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW x4
-[]Build Political Support - 1 PW + Happiness >7: +2 PW x5
Leaving us with two that can be spent however we want,form a PW Efficiency standpoint it has to be 2 Found <X> Railway Company, They literally save us 1PW a turn until they're done, this is comparable with Build Political Support though far less flexible.
The earlier we get them set up the better since we want to get them all done eventually anyway, the only question is if we can afford to do it now or have to put it off.
[] Found Kale-Yllthon Railway Company - 1 PW, -2 IC
[] Found Trans-Kyberi Railway Company - 1 PW, -2 IC
or if you really want
[] Found Valleyhome-Khemetri Railway Company - 1 PW, -2 IC
4 IC is a lot and will leave us at 8, I can already hear corn from here yelling at me But I'm here to tell you he doesn't actually need any more than that for the midterm
Industrial Subsidies - 1 PW: Up to -5 temp SoL for +5 temp IC
Consciousness 3 (15)
Standard of Living 7 (19)
Army Corp of Engineers - Temp IC costs for Major Infrastructure Projects, Railroads, and Sewers may be paid with Temp Armies instead of IC
What's this all the temp IC generation methods anyone can ask for, he can probably take Industrial Subsidies up 5 Temp IC without going under Temp Consciousness with our temp SoL.
No the real problem is that if we go with this plan he is going to take a lot of Rapid Develop Industry, with all it's Pollution problems.
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"Strengthen traditional landowner systems". Hmm, I dunno. Can someone describe these "traditional systems" to me?
Farmers farm and sell their crops and pay a lease to the noble landowner. With rail access the farmer can sell more crops and buy more stuff cheaply, allowing the lord to charge more rent while leaving everyone happy.
Longterm this also keeps the rural areas more connected and economically viable. The nobles are on the way out anyway. Give it another few decades.