We did have a Flood myth. Greater Sacred Forest event and the original Redshore integration trigger.
We canceled the apocalypse for both.
If Khemetri is anything like Egypt they had one too. Geographically unavoidable.
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We canceled the apocalypse for both.
If Khemetri is anything like Egypt they had one too. Geographically unavoidable.
This is circa 1833.
Bessemer process was patented in 1855. Open hearth furnace was rapidly developed soon after. Next step would be basic oxygen steelmaking, which is only applied widely by 1950s.
Tungsten steel arrived in 1868.
Some variant of iron-chromium was at least known by 1821. An industrialized process for making stainless steel was invented by 1912.
It looked right now that there are useful specialized steel alloys that we can buy from Kielmyr, but they are too expensive right now.
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That's not a flood myth. Cause the cataclysmic flood was far away, and the ymaryn learned the 'flood' was a natural phenomenon they could stop. Also the reason the ymaryn having a source moment for a flood myth, isn't important.
What is important is if the Ymaryn never had the flood myth passed down. Look the 'flood myth' isn't something repeatable cause a city is flooded. We're talking civilzation is drowned in all of Asia flood, so long ago the story is a part of all religion. I'd like to imagine the nile floodings were common enough a flood myth wouldn't be the result.
The 'flood myth' cause the ymaryn had high prestige would be ignored by those who took the ymaryn religion up, or cannibalized the ymaryn religion. The ymaryn never saw the 'flood' as an unavoidable spiritual curse, so veekie can't use a moment in the past as justification for a flood myth due to cultural memory not valuing a minor flood as a disaster. Other places in the world would be similar, not having a flood myth. Not Austrailia might have a flood myth, but that seems unlikely unless the not hung nearly got drowned in the past. Which can imply the flood myth never spread around the world (unlikely due to AN's limitations on the butterfly effect, ex: the world map is a near-replica of today's landmasses and ignores natural weather disasters that shaped the past. OF COURSE A WORLD WIDE FLOOD MYTH EXISTS, cause rl writes the plot of history).
Realistically in PoC a worldwide flood myth can't exist, due to the whole flood real, real, bad, stigma never happened to spread in story to all civilizations in PoC.
None of that matters when AN needs the flood myth in all civs to play the rl analogs they have here. Flood myth is a cultural thing that is a piece of the heritage in rl, and a butterfly with unknown repercussions if crushed at the dawn of civilization (as occured in PoC).
There is a vastly lower threshold for flood myths in antiquity. The Spirit Talkers summoning the wrath of the spirits in endless rain that lasted generations would have been a world drowning flood to everyone impacted.
Remember scale and mythological accuracy. Everything looks bigger when your largest village had 500 guys.
No handwaving necessary when this primordial flood inspired the Sacred Forest tradition before writing
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That was a very forgetable moment for the Ymaryn, and the Spirit Talkers. By now the Spirit Talkers are forgotten. The ymaryn never had a flood myth. And any victims of the Spirit Talkers that spread a time of rain, got absorbed into ymaryn paradise, moved to a place there was no flood, the rain was local not covering hundreds of miles, made a hateboner for spirit talkers, or probably joined Khemetri. Then there were the many other places not hit by the rain.
One tiny group falls to rain, and that has to mean their culture beats all cultures in culture. Cause I'm not seeing how a flood that does no damage to the ymaryn would be remembered around the world if the survivors never spread the story around the world.
Plus this has to be a flood that negatively affected the world, was a struggle for everyone to survive, not just the survivors. Cause proof is helpful.
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Given that the banks of the Great River, which runs through Valleyhome, flood reliably, yeah, the Ymaryn have flood myths.
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Flood myths are a near universal myth for humanity.
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Flood myths use a common trait, near the start of religion there was a civ, flood covers civ, survivor repopulates. There is usually a great flood myth in every culture that hits key points with different versions around the world. Take egypt they have one great flood myth, while marking the nile floods as a natural occurance they can time.
I'm more pissed at the whole 'flood myths are stupid and is a guaranteed thing cause science wants to believe it must be a story screw up of river floodings'. From my perspective that would show the ymaryn are dumb hicks who can't tell the difference from a river rising a few feet, and a river flooding their nation.
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Just like how they forgot who built the stone age canal and thought it was a god?
Floods are universal because ultimately they happen a lot. Just because people learn doesn't make the myths go away, people will simply put less stock into them.
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Compare and contrast various flood myths from across the world:
No, flood myths are a thing because civilizations start on floodplains. Its inevitable that early civilization is wrecked by a terrible flood and everyone tries to interpret and pass the story down.
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You can also go back to the last ice age, when large coastal areas flooded as the ice melted.
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...wait is your thesis here seriously "flood myths all stem from one single massive flood that was actually as big as they make it sound"? 'cause that seems like the sort of extraordinary claim that demands some pretty extraordinary evidence.
There are theories about something like that being the case flying around for the last couple of centuries, and they do hold some water, but a pretty shaky overall.
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i see what you did there
Didn't even think about it until I posted, actually.
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Like the Black Sea deluge and the Altai Flood?
Theres probably at least one such event in any region wet enough to support a primordial civilization, but those are two yeah.
The main problem with the Grand Unified Flood theory is how spread out humanity was even in the Stone Age, such that the volume of water needed would be immediately evident.
Just taking PoC history, we had the original curse the Spirit Talkers summoned(rain for 5 generations, aka beyond living memory), we had two climate shifts which each started with epic rains due to shifting wind direction, one of which was so powerful it was an existential threat to an Iron Age civilization.
And we had at least one more since then which invalidated the Greater Sacred Forest archives to such an extent that scholars thought the records were full of shit because obviously the region is too dry/wet.
For a non-Great Flood myth...you'd probably be looking to archipelago civilizations. Not many others can build the critical population density to make it to Writing
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The only reason TTL has a "unified global flood" concept is due to the Judaio/Christian version describing it as such.
There are some theories that the Mediterranean was a dry valley that flooded suddenly through the one sea connection suddenly during a period of sea rise.
Not sure how reputable it is.
Not sure how reputable it is.
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When a large village is ~500 people, and structures are made of mud, it sure as hell doesn't require that large a flood to wash everything away.
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Imagine thoughtful people unaware of tectonics who encounter marine fossils at moderate altitude and must consider the means by which they came to be.
Everybody had good reason to suppose there were epic floods.
Everybody had good reason to suppose there were epic floods.
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Did the ancient Khem ever have a practice of summoning monsters from stone tablets, and if so, will it become the basis for a stupidly widespread children's card game in time for Yenyna to become the King of Games? 
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