... I have been trying to figure what has been going wrong with that for over two months now, dear god thank you!
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Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization
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[X][War] Uti possidetis - Peace out with limited gains (+1 Temp Happiness)
[X][Bill] 2 PW - King's Bill (+1 temp SoL, Boost Science Research, +2 Sell Crown Corp Uses)
[X][Rails] 1 PW - Yes please(Kielmyr Invest, gain +1 Railroads)
Just a friendly reminder, the Hung still haven't done a single useful thing for us. I've also played games of Victoria where I spent disproportionate resources trying to force an ahistorical outcome, but at some point you just have to shrug and realize it's not happening.
[X][Bill] 2 PW - King's Bill (+1 temp SoL, Boost Science Research, +2 Sell Crown Corp Uses)
[X][Rails] 1 PW - Yes please(Kielmyr Invest, gain +1 Railroads)
Just a friendly reminder, the Hung still haven't done a single useful thing for us. I've also played games of Victoria where I spent disproportionate resources trying to force an ahistorical outcome, but at some point you just have to shrug and realize it's not happening.
LuciDreamer
Maliciously Incompetent
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- United States
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- He/Him
...hum. It seems like the war vote is going to pass anyway. Darn.
We can test for intelligence and souls respectively.
Shouldn't be hard to get our hands on some lawyers and career politicians.
LoserThree
Finds writing poorly easy
- Location
- Greater Seattle Area
- Pronouns
- he/him
Welcome to Path of Arbitrary Fixation, where things happen and nobody learns.
ExNihilo
SPACE!
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
We can test for intelligence and souls respectively.
Shouldn't be hard to get our hands on some lawyers and career politicians.
This could be interesting if we can tell rates, we can get a judge on relative intelligence.
Problem being, relatively easy for some 'scientists' to rig the system to make what amounts to the skull measurement thing. Intelligence tiers among humans, etc.
Hey, that's not fair. I listened, just was not convinced.
LoserThree
Finds writing poorly easy
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- Greater Seattle Area
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- he/him
You and me both, buddy. You and me both.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
They are an excellent pin cushion that attracts everyone's attention, allowing non-targets to keep their heads down for their internal projects.
ExNihilo
SPACE!
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
That really doesn't matter? Of course they haven't, they're China in isolation mode. However, having China in non-isolation mode respect us is a goal worth having.
Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
- Location
- Something Clever
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I mean...the fact that it works on "higher" animals rather than "larger" animals is strong evidence against a purely mass-based criterion. I know you don't like the idea of magic in this setting but this is a bit of a reach.
Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
- Location
- Behind You
What have the Hung ever done for us?
HanEmpire
Delicious
None of us voted to help the Hung with immediate gains in mind. We're making a century-long investment, to create a DM-friendly Hung instead of the xenophobic basket case they're slated to be.
ExNihilo
SPACE!
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Again, this doesn't matter. Having an ally, no matter how loyal, that's more trouble than it's worth is a drawback, as WWI Austria proved. On the other hand, cultivating alliances with future superpowers is a great idea, because that means they don't have a bone to pick with us.
This, basically.
Horologer
Incertae sedis
- Location
- a risen sea
Hung's in the deep end of the pool even if they sign a treaty right now, and they have always had a life raft; they've just repeatedly chosen not to take it.
It's entirely up to them whether they survive this. If their only ally leaving the war because it's fundamentally unwinnable doesn't snap them out of their fugue, then very likely nothing is going to, and they'll run themselves off a cliff long before we can get anything useful out of them.
Agreed; I simply think it's the best option available.
Nobody's expecting to win the war.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
Did I say mass or larger? I said brain/body mass (sorry, should have clarified, brain to body mass), which is one of the few ratios that can be relied on for the relative intelligence of a given species.
I don't necessarily object to magic. I generally object to the idea that we should start looking for what we see as magic. It's non-standard physics, sure, but treating it like science is my aim.
Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
- Location
- Something Clever
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Ah, okay, I thought by "brain/body mass" you just meant "brain or body mass," not the ratio. That makes more sense, my bad.
ExNihilo
SPACE!
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Testing hypothesis can be difficult, so I'm not sure. Testing that could be done on a separated limb from an amputation, see if that heals. Another interesting test would be a coma patient, to see if it's responding to brainwaves somehow.
FriedIce
The Authentic Fake
- Location
- Hyperreality
Looking at the map the potential options for fleet access are (in descending order of how good they are):
Vortuga - not happening
Sketch - might be possible, though would probably be a hard sell. do we have anything they want?
Hex - *waggles hand* honestly I'm not sure we've got anything they'd take in exchange for docking rights
Halvyni - maybe, we just don't know enough about them
Given this, if we're going to keep going with the war we need to do a diplomatic outreach to someone, probably the Sketch, to get them to give us fleet basing rights for the duration of this war. We just can't win otherwise. The Sketch would probably turn a six month trip into two months, at which point the war becomes winnable.
Maybe we can offer them some SoL
Vortuga - not happening
Sketch - might be possible, though would probably be a hard sell. do we have anything they want?
Hex - *waggles hand* honestly I'm not sure we've got anything they'd take in exchange for docking rights
Halvyni - maybe, we just don't know enough about them
Given this, if we're going to keep going with the war we need to do a diplomatic outreach to someone, probably the Sketch, to get them to give us fleet basing rights for the duration of this war. We just can't win otherwise. The Sketch would probably turn a six month trip into two months, at which point the war becomes winnable.
Maybe we can offer them some SoL
Negaverse: Who, What, When, Why, and Especially How
- Location
- Illinois
Negaverse: Who, What, When, Why, And Especially How
"So, it went as you predicted." The faces of the men were grim as they studied the map before them. The tent was illuminated by a small lamp, casting dancing shadows and flickering light upon the map. The way the shadow lay upon the far east section of the map, upon the Nohon homeland, only served to deepen the melancholy nature of the men.
The leader of the men sighed, "Yes. Though I wish I had been wrong, the capabilities of the Nohon have proved to be... greater than we would have wished, or had expected."
The third man trailed a finger at the edges of the map, "Your Excellency, there is only one question that I have heard repeated again and again from all the citizens of Hung. How. How did the Nohon become so powerful, that they could stand against the might of the greatest empire the world has ever known? Even taking into account the new weapons and the surprise attack, how did they pull off such an attack."
The general snorted. "You think everyone hasn't been asking the same? What makes you think I would know?"
"You are one of the few the Emperor still trusts. Surely he must have given you some insights you feel you can share." The second man prods as well.
Drumming his fingers, the general thinks before answering his lieutenants. "Louw Chori returned recently from his mission to the Lands of Glass and Porcelain." At this, both men perked up. One of the only remaining tributary states to stay loyal to the Empire, they were the only reason the Nohon still had to fight at sea. While that had been unable to do more than slightly lighten the burden on the southern coastlands of the Empire, it was still at least something.
"Did he actually travel to their homeland?"
The general shakes his head. "No, he was merely requested to oversee the destruction of the opium stores that they had seized. But," He grimaced, "We are pretty sure that's where all this began."
He traces a finger along the seas between the Empire and a distant land, on the far west edge of the map. "When he was there, the Ymaryngylruv were quite insistent that he observes other matters they felt were pertinent to the seizure of the opium. Some of what they had shown him were the new weapons their army --And, as we found out later, the Nohon army-- were now using. They had also tried to imply that the Nohon were at least partially responsible for the increase in the sale of opium, and that they had been covering up information that was vital to the Empire."
The general lets off a slightly rueful smile. "Of course, he did not fully believe in their 'wild tales'. While he was a tad interested in some of what he saw, he was more focused on discharging his duties. And he did so efficiently, and then proceeded to head back to the Empire... Only to be intercepted by the Nohon."
Both men raised brows at that, "That seems... somewhat premature."
The general nods, "Yes, I thought so as well. The Nohon ship insisted that they be allowed to escort the governor home, while the Ymaryngylruv insisted that it was their honor as a Tributary of Hung to do so. The Governor, of course, sided with the Ymaryngylruv. One minor scuffle later, and the Nohon ship sailed off into a storm, while the Ymaryngylruv ship limped into a nearby port to wait it out. From there, well..."
"They panicked," The other two groaned as they realized what must have occurred. "They managed to perform the most devastating attack upon the Empire in centuries because the panicked."
The general grimly chuckles, "Yes. Embarrassing as that is, it worked far better than anyone could have expected. They acted quickly enough that neither we nor the Ymaryngylruv could react in time, and they managed to wipe out any chance we had at beating them back in their opening moves. And now here we are, with only a single ally, one who sits on the other side of the world, while the rest of the world circles around, smelling the rich blood of Hung in the waters."
""Shit.""
A.N. Some background information for the vote on what to do about the rebellions. You've finally reached the point where I can talk a bit about why this happened so suddenly.
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