I mean, us and Hung vs the World sounds pretty cool to me instead of being salt inducing, so I'm not sure that's it.
Whatever you're thinking, it's probably at least 40% worse
We could actually use the yewman button and have it mean exactly that!
Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization
We could actually use the yewman button and have it mean exactly that!
- Location
- PA
Hrrm...What if...What if we were right and Magic is a thing? Only...We've been long keeping down the priests who could wield it for us? And then yanno, the writing and that glass-thing means they got ahold of some serious juice? And then they woke the ancient trees of Valleyhome?
...NAAAH. It's just getting to that time historically when the occult became a thing I bet. It'll be a mundane threat that we have to deal with.
...NAAAH. It's just getting to that time historically when the occult became a thing I bet. It'll be a mundane threat that we have to deal with.
Cornuthaum
Be kind to each other.
- Location
- Austria
- Pronouns
- He/Him
And they are such good incentives, too!
It's not "can we avoid doing evil things", because we can't, it's "can we at least profit from doing so". Because there is no Empire under the sun that is not evil.
Agreed, but I'm approaching this from a sense of looking for the worst case, but still possible. It's technically possible some Nohan fueled shenanigans have happened in their court to convince them this is the best course of action, just, you know, incredibly unlikely and nonsensical.
Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
- Location
- Something Clever
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I'm sure it will be fiiiiiine.
We're all calm, reasonable adults here, right?
Our little community in particular is even renowned for it's calm and civil debates!
Well, we haven't actually had a thread lock since...the start of the new thread, I think? The tone of the discourse may not always be exactly top-tier, but we've come a long way, considering.
Honestly, the incentives are nothing compared to the original thread where it was pretty much 'be as ridiculously evil as you can be or die.' We chose the later quite often... and then the dice kept bailing us out. Like how we refused to get slavery and then ended up with iron working while the rest of the world was just entering the bronze age.
Edit: Not to say we weren't evil at all, we just got away with hilariously less of it then we had any right to.
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1834 Newspaper
- Location
- United States
I see that stock photos existed even back in the early 1800s
(For real tho I love these newspaper thingies you do)
[X] [Maha] 0 PW - Seize their ports to prevent any significant amount of trade outside your supervision (+2 Prestige, Gain Eastern Kus Ports status)
[X] [Hung] 1 PW - Try to drag out a provincial governor (-1 Temp Trust, may fail, Nohon may interfere)
[X] [Bill] 2 PW - Religious Education Bill (-1 IC, -1 Temp IC, +1 Education, +1 Innovation, Kyberi Settlement, Conservatives Placated +2)
A formality but I like to get my vote in.
[X] [Hung] 1 PW - Try to drag out a provincial governor (-1 Temp Trust, may fail, Nohon may interfere)
[X] [Bill] 2 PW - Religious Education Bill (-1 IC, -1 Temp IC, +1 Education, +1 Innovation, Kyberi Settlement, Conservatives Placated +2)
A formality but I like to get my vote in.
Horologer
Incertae sedis
- Location
- a risen sea
No, no, Faron's long-lost second cousin once removed uncovers a plot by the Hespranxer to provoke the Tortun army into attacking Halvyni, which will start a war to tear Tortun apart yet again, but it turns out that actually the Hespranxer are being duped by a Sketch arms dealer who wants to test out his diabolical weaponry on innocent citizens, and in a twist it turns out that he's actually being conned by his Nohon mistress, who's secretly a pirate queen in disguise planning to steal his money and use it to ransom her dashingly handsome Gylruvian explorer lover from the clutches of a Vortugan rainbow apocalypse cult, inadvertently starting the First World War and summoning a slightly peeved prismatic abomination in the process.
Starring Keanu Reeves.
You mean last week?
- Location
- being near locations is my passion.
More plausible that whatever the non Dual-Crown nations think that the Dual-Crown's masterplan is, at least. Confusion-fu activate!
- Location
- U.S.A.
[X] [Maha] 0 PW - Seize their ports to prevent any significant amount of trade outside your supervision (+2 Prestige, Gain Eastern Kus Ports status)
[X] [Hung] 1 PW - Try to drag out a provincial governor (-1 Temp Trust, may fail, Nohon may interfere)
[X] [Bill] 2 PW - Religious Education Bill (-1 IC, -1 Temp IC, +1 Education, +1 Innovation, Kyberi Settlement, Conservatives Placated +2)
I can't tell if people are joking or not using concepts such as good or evil on our choices. Eh, I'll just lurk more and see.
[X] [Hung] 1 PW - Try to drag out a provincial governor (-1 Temp Trust, may fail, Nohon may interfere)
[X] [Bill] 2 PW - Religious Education Bill (-1 IC, -1 Temp IC, +1 Education, +1 Innovation, Kyberi Settlement, Conservatives Placated +2)
I can't tell if people are joking or not using concepts such as good or evil on our choices. Eh, I'll just lurk more and see.
We're fairly sure that tech is going to take a few more turns.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
And there wouldn't be developments while they're researching it? Why does completing it have to be when everything unfolds?
For real, early engravers often had some stock images they could substitute in when they think nobody would notice. They were pretty valuable because making an engraving for printing pictures was pretty expensive in skilled work hours, so any reusable image was a lot of money they were getting from the customer for marginal costs.I see that stock photos existed even back in the early 1800s
(For real tho I love these newspaper thingies you do)
1835 EY - Table Flip
- Pronouns
- He/Him
1835 EY
[X][Maha] 0 PW - Seize their ports to prevent any significant amount of trade outside your supervision (+2 Prestige, Gain Eastern Kus Ports status)
[X][Hung] 1 PW - Try to drag out a provincial governor (-1 Temp Trust, may fail, Nohon may interfere)
[X][Bill] 2 PW - Religious Education Bill (-1 IC, -1 Temp IC, +1 Education, +1 Innovation, Kyberi Settlement, Conservatives Placated +2)
The set up occupied much of the East Wing Art Room, the great windows for providing excellent lighting for the viewing and creation of art now utilized for a different and much stranger purpose. Nokly was being shown the phenomenon that had the glassmakers and natural philosophers in such a tizzy in recent years. A massive tent of thick black felt had been set up around a number of telescopes, various cases holding delicate equipment spread out around the room. It was in fact the equipment that was why everything was set up inside rather than outside: to minimize the risk of some damage being inflicted upon the devices of glass and brass.
Inside the tent it was dark except for the single brilliant beam of light allowed in by the telescope collecting it from outside the thick cloth walls, a pedestal sitting just under the path of the beam of light. Once everything is ready, the head of the Royal Academy, President Dovynim Yllmyn, brings forth a simple prism and places it upon the pedestal, causing the beam of white light to break up into a rainbow, all the more spectacular within the mostly black confines of the tent. Nokly sees this and nods along, saying, "I remember this from my own schooling."
"Of course sir, of course, I merely need to establish what is normal so I can show you that which is abnormal. Now, observe what happens when I strike this prism with this hammer," President Yllmyn says, demonstrating by lightly tapping a small hammer against the prism, causing the rainbow to waver slightly as the crystal glass vibrated. Satisfied that Nokly understood how little had happened, the scholar then had a new object brought forth, the men carrying it clearly afraid of breaking it and handling it with the utmost of care. The object in question was an ugly, malformed block of glass that was an ever so slightly uncanny blue with a flickering tint of green. Looking for all the world a mistake, Nokly watched as it was placed upon the pedestal, causing the beam to split once again, although this time it was not a neat single line of colour but a broken collection of mangled arcs from the malformed structure.
However, this time when the tiny hammer struck it, instead of the reaction from before, this time something truly strange happened. As the glass rang, the broken spectra collapsed. Instead of rainbows, a dozen points of light replaced them, all the colours drained into a limited number of spots, combining in strange ways that made the eyes blink, as if to confirm that they had in fact seen that sort of combination. After a few seconds the chiming tone of the lump began to fade, the separate points of light wobbling wildly, their condensed components fighting to separate once more, before finally they spread back out into their broken rainbow patterns as the vibration died back down.
"Fascinating," Nokly breathed in wonder.
"That was literally an accident, and only discovered because the worker dropped it, but was paying attention to know that the pattern it made with the light was strange. However, it gets stranger," Yllmyn said, as another assistant brought forth a bullseye lantern. Replacing the sunlight with candlelight, the experiment was repeated, and this time the light was as reactive as when the first prism had been struck. "It is not just the glass itself, but something within the character of the sunlight that causes this effect. At the moment we are unsure of the full nature of this first sample as it came from a bad batch that had problems during the heating process, so what dopants and heat treatments it underwent are currently unknown, but we have managed to produce a fewer lesser versions of the effect."
This time the prism set up was repeated, but a second telescope was brought in to draw out the red part of the spectrum, bouncing it off a mirror so it was isolated from every other colour. A small lens of glass with a slight yellowish tint was brought forth and set within the beam. This time however, instead of striking the lens directly, a tuning fork was struck first and then brought into close proximity. After a few seconds next to the shrill whine of the high frequency fork, the red light passing through the lens began to waver into strange star patterns before collapsing into a halo of not-red light. Not-red was quite frankly the only way to describe the colour of it, since it was simultaneously closest to red in character and yet most distinctly not red. A few seconds later the pattern broke up as the tuning fork lost energy, but for that briefest of moments Nokly knew that he had been staring at something profound and important, even if ephemeral in application at the moment.
"Thank you for showing me this, this truly helps but into focus the reason for your continued interest and requests for funding," Nokly said.
"Thank you sire. We hope to be able to show you ever more interesting examples of this sort of thing as we continue to push the boundaries of what can be achieved. Already the new optics are opening up all sorts of new and amazing discoveries that we think will make this research and others ever easier," the Academy President said gratefully.
Walking away from the demonstration intrigued but also slightly unsettled in ways he was having difficulty finding the words for, Nokly was almost unsurprised when a worried messenger came running, sliding along marble tiles as he rounded a corner.
"Bad news?" Nokly asked somewhat sarcastically.
As it turned out, "bad news" was somewhat accurate in that it was a combination of misfortune, trouble, but overall at the end hopeful news.
The People had succeeded at getting Louw Chori, the Governor of the Southern Canton - the province most affected by the opium trade due to possessing the major southern port - to accompany them on a mission demonstrating their commitment to the stamping out of the opium trade. While it had taken a bit of work, they had managed to get the old bureaucrat to accompany them, allowing the People to show off their ships, guns, and the soldiers holding down the Maharathan territory. The situation had quickly gone south as the governor had only expressed mild interest, and seemed annoyed at the way the People kept suggesting that their technology was superior to what the Hung had access to, but had kept up an extraordinarily paternalistic attitude with everyone he encountered. Apparently the way to run a country was not to understand economics or logistics, but to enforce "clean morals" and to lead by personal example. A virtuous leader would thus be able to shame corrupt subordinates into proper virtue, and from virtue prosperity would flow.
And then the Nohon happened.
On the trip back the Nohon had attempted to rather blatantly kidnap Governor Chori under the guise of "taking it from here". Reports indicate that this was probably some sort of last ditch attempt to interfere with the People's attempts - ironic given that their attempts had actually been relatively unsuccessful in getting through to Chori - and it had gone poorly. Not only had they been repulsed, but Chori was suitably outraged at the violation of the People's honour and the attempt on his person. Not only had he been right fit to give the Emperor an earful about how the Nohon had treated him, but he was also somewhat ready to listen to the idea that the Nohon had been actively lying about the outside world for some time. The ships escorting the governor had been forced to put in at a Halvyni port to wait out a typhoon, while the Nohon ship disappeared into the storm.
Nokly immediately sent word that the Far Eastern territories were to go to high alert in case the Nohon were to do something.
The next message received indicated that the Nohon had done something.
They had withdrawn their envoys from the Hung and issued a declaration that they were utterly sick and tired of the Hung's condescension and bullshit, and they called upon all "civilized" nations to denounce the Hung until the backwards nation acknowledged that there were many nations greater than the Hung, Nohon among them. And then they put every Hung ship on the bottom of the ocean.
Every ship. From war junk to fishing boat, the Nohon navy swept the seas around the Hung clean, although they rather pointedly allowed any ship flying a Syffryn flag freedom of passage. They then followed up with a relentless campaign of bombardment of every coastal settlement they could reasonably take on, and while their marines no doubt landed on shore to pillage settlements, they were mostly content to simply drive people inland. It seemed that they had learned a horrific version of the lesson of the Civilized Tribes were teaching the UPM and the rest of the world, and were intent on using the Hung's own population against them. They had no intention of fighting on land, but stripping the food of hundreds of thousands - possibly millions of people and driving them in terror and panic from their homes into the Hun heartland - meant that the Hung would fight themselves for the Nohon. The fact that the Nohon were letting everyone else still come and go as they pleased meant that Syffryn merchants could probably render aid... but also no doubt bring down the wrath of angry Hung governors and generals who saw foreigners on their soil during a time of war.
So... so basically the Nohon had repeatedly panicked themselves into a winning set of moves. News arrived back quickly from Kyberi that skirmishing between the People and Nohon had resumed, although the Nohon seemed content to stay within their own territory for the most part and use their defensive works to keep out Hung retaliation while they burned the coast to the ground, and then pummeled the ashes into a fine powder. Given that the Hung had absolutely no capacity to retaliate against the Nohon's main holdings, that was probably the winning set of moves until the Hung either ate itself alive in the chaos of a dynastic turnover as refugees fleeing inland collapsed the ability of the provinces to maintain control, or the Hung acknowledged Nohon as being the one wearing the boots in their relationship.
As for the rest of the world...
Well, the Sketch and Halvyni ambassadors had worn a rather disturbing grin and their "concern" sounded an awful lot like they planned to trade food for tea and spices in order to pull in ludicrous profit off the exchange. The Hespranxer didn't even need to be told because they had their own colonies close enough to inform them of the developments, and had ramped up their agitation against the Khemetri even further. They might ultimately take the first swing, but they also knew that the People were going to be quite distracted in the near future. New Hespranxia and the UPM were going to be of no help against more distant Nohon holdings since the Civilized Tribes had given the UPM such a black eye that their southern neighbours had decided to take a swing at them, and the two powers were now desperately clawing at each other while central North Mahaxia burned. The Civilized Tribes had made it known that they would take in any escaped slaves and offer them their freedom, and made it a habit to make deep strikes against plantations to free slaves and touch off slave revolts. Apparently the "Civilized Tribes" had also been bringing in other local tribes from further out, and more than that there were reports of women in their ranks. Whoever was leading them understood very well that they were badly outnumbered if the full might of the UPM could be mobilized and were using all sorts of tactical, strategic, and diplomatic tricks to get the most out of their numbers.
So the Hung were on fire and would no doubt start literally eating each other as the loss of fishing devastated their food supplies, Syffryn would be of almost no help or would be an active distraction, and North Mahaxia was on fire and would be of no help.
The one bright spot was that the Kielmyr were willing to help out... for a price. In exchange for lifting certain restrictions and tariffs, and the sale of large numbers of shares in certain Crown Corporations, the Kielmyr were willing to bear the brunt of much of the manufacturing cost for the People's war effort, and even proposed to give certain guarantees against the Hespranxer at higher levels of investment. It would strangle large parts of the People's ironworking industry... but then again they would need warm bodies for the fighting, so if they activated large numbers of the recently unemployed they might be able to delay the issue for the next few years and then figure out what to do later. And it wouldn't be like they would completely gut their iron and steel industries, just the lower level stuff that was already looking on the weaker side due to lacking the funds for the major capital investments required for the best equipment.
The Styrmyr and Tortun were also oddly helpful in their own way, having a large number of soldiers they were interested in demobilizing or otherwise getting out of their territory, so if the People were interested in taking on some mercenaries who might become citizens one day, they were up for grabs.
Kielmyr Offer
[] [Kiel] 0 PW - No thanks
[] [Kiel] 0 PW - Adjust tariffs further for relevant war materials (-1 temp SoL, +1 temp IC)
[] [Kiel] 1 PW - Rework industrial relationship (Gain Low Foreign Investment [Kielmyr], +1 IC, +1 temp IC, Kielmyr Guarantee Against Hespranxer, Depressed Iron Industry Status)
Depressed Iron Industry: All RP gains for Iron and Steel techs halved while in effect
Central/Eastern Syffrynite Mercenaries Available
[] [Merc] 0 PW - No thanks
[] [Merc] 0 PW - A few could help (-1 Trust, +1 Armies)
[] [Merc] 1 PW - Everyone you can get (-2 Trust, +2 Armies, Royalists Pleased)
Pick a Theater to Focus On
[] [Theater] 1 PW - Kyberi (-4 temp IC, +3 temp Armies, Develop Transport Infrastructure, Gain Invaders Must Die Status)
[] [Theater] 2 PW - Sea (-2 temp IC, +2 temp Navies, better odds of protecting own shipping and breaking Nohon cordon)
[] [Theater] 2 PW - Prepare for all comers (-2 temp IC, +3 temp Armies, +1 temp Navies, worse performance in the East but better prepared in the West)
AN: Stats have regenned for the turn, but you have not yet gained your PW for the main turn.
Moratorium on voting until I declare otherwise.
[X][Maha] 0 PW - Seize their ports to prevent any significant amount of trade outside your supervision (+2 Prestige, Gain Eastern Kus Ports status)
[X][Hung] 1 PW - Try to drag out a provincial governor (-1 Temp Trust, may fail, Nohon may interfere)
[X][Bill] 2 PW - Religious Education Bill (-1 IC, -1 Temp IC, +1 Education, +1 Innovation, Kyberi Settlement, Conservatives Placated +2)
The set up occupied much of the East Wing Art Room, the great windows for providing excellent lighting for the viewing and creation of art now utilized for a different and much stranger purpose. Nokly was being shown the phenomenon that had the glassmakers and natural philosophers in such a tizzy in recent years. A massive tent of thick black felt had been set up around a number of telescopes, various cases holding delicate equipment spread out around the room. It was in fact the equipment that was why everything was set up inside rather than outside: to minimize the risk of some damage being inflicted upon the devices of glass and brass.
Inside the tent it was dark except for the single brilliant beam of light allowed in by the telescope collecting it from outside the thick cloth walls, a pedestal sitting just under the path of the beam of light. Once everything is ready, the head of the Royal Academy, President Dovynim Yllmyn, brings forth a simple prism and places it upon the pedestal, causing the beam of white light to break up into a rainbow, all the more spectacular within the mostly black confines of the tent. Nokly sees this and nods along, saying, "I remember this from my own schooling."
"Of course sir, of course, I merely need to establish what is normal so I can show you that which is abnormal. Now, observe what happens when I strike this prism with this hammer," President Yllmyn says, demonstrating by lightly tapping a small hammer against the prism, causing the rainbow to waver slightly as the crystal glass vibrated. Satisfied that Nokly understood how little had happened, the scholar then had a new object brought forth, the men carrying it clearly afraid of breaking it and handling it with the utmost of care. The object in question was an ugly, malformed block of glass that was an ever so slightly uncanny blue with a flickering tint of green. Looking for all the world a mistake, Nokly watched as it was placed upon the pedestal, causing the beam to split once again, although this time it was not a neat single line of colour but a broken collection of mangled arcs from the malformed structure.
However, this time when the tiny hammer struck it, instead of the reaction from before, this time something truly strange happened. As the glass rang, the broken spectra collapsed. Instead of rainbows, a dozen points of light replaced them, all the colours drained into a limited number of spots, combining in strange ways that made the eyes blink, as if to confirm that they had in fact seen that sort of combination. After a few seconds the chiming tone of the lump began to fade, the separate points of light wobbling wildly, their condensed components fighting to separate once more, before finally they spread back out into their broken rainbow patterns as the vibration died back down.
"Fascinating," Nokly breathed in wonder.
"That was literally an accident, and only discovered because the worker dropped it, but was paying attention to know that the pattern it made with the light was strange. However, it gets stranger," Yllmyn said, as another assistant brought forth a bullseye lantern. Replacing the sunlight with candlelight, the experiment was repeated, and this time the light was as reactive as when the first prism had been struck. "It is not just the glass itself, but something within the character of the sunlight that causes this effect. At the moment we are unsure of the full nature of this first sample as it came from a bad batch that had problems during the heating process, so what dopants and heat treatments it underwent are currently unknown, but we have managed to produce a fewer lesser versions of the effect."
This time the prism set up was repeated, but a second telescope was brought in to draw out the red part of the spectrum, bouncing it off a mirror so it was isolated from every other colour. A small lens of glass with a slight yellowish tint was brought forth and set within the beam. This time however, instead of striking the lens directly, a tuning fork was struck first and then brought into close proximity. After a few seconds next to the shrill whine of the high frequency fork, the red light passing through the lens began to waver into strange star patterns before collapsing into a halo of not-red light. Not-red was quite frankly the only way to describe the colour of it, since it was simultaneously closest to red in character and yet most distinctly not red. A few seconds later the pattern broke up as the tuning fork lost energy, but for that briefest of moments Nokly knew that he had been staring at something profound and important, even if ephemeral in application at the moment.
"Thank you for showing me this, this truly helps but into focus the reason for your continued interest and requests for funding," Nokly said.
"Thank you sire. We hope to be able to show you ever more interesting examples of this sort of thing as we continue to push the boundaries of what can be achieved. Already the new optics are opening up all sorts of new and amazing discoveries that we think will make this research and others ever easier," the Academy President said gratefully.
Walking away from the demonstration intrigued but also slightly unsettled in ways he was having difficulty finding the words for, Nokly was almost unsurprised when a worried messenger came running, sliding along marble tiles as he rounded a corner.
"Bad news?" Nokly asked somewhat sarcastically.
As it turned out, "bad news" was somewhat accurate in that it was a combination of misfortune, trouble, but overall at the end hopeful news.
The People had succeeded at getting Louw Chori, the Governor of the Southern Canton - the province most affected by the opium trade due to possessing the major southern port - to accompany them on a mission demonstrating their commitment to the stamping out of the opium trade. While it had taken a bit of work, they had managed to get the old bureaucrat to accompany them, allowing the People to show off their ships, guns, and the soldiers holding down the Maharathan territory. The situation had quickly gone south as the governor had only expressed mild interest, and seemed annoyed at the way the People kept suggesting that their technology was superior to what the Hung had access to, but had kept up an extraordinarily paternalistic attitude with everyone he encountered. Apparently the way to run a country was not to understand economics or logistics, but to enforce "clean morals" and to lead by personal example. A virtuous leader would thus be able to shame corrupt subordinates into proper virtue, and from virtue prosperity would flow.
And then the Nohon happened.
On the trip back the Nohon had attempted to rather blatantly kidnap Governor Chori under the guise of "taking it from here". Reports indicate that this was probably some sort of last ditch attempt to interfere with the People's attempts - ironic given that their attempts had actually been relatively unsuccessful in getting through to Chori - and it had gone poorly. Not only had they been repulsed, but Chori was suitably outraged at the violation of the People's honour and the attempt on his person. Not only had he been right fit to give the Emperor an earful about how the Nohon had treated him, but he was also somewhat ready to listen to the idea that the Nohon had been actively lying about the outside world for some time. The ships escorting the governor had been forced to put in at a Halvyni port to wait out a typhoon, while the Nohon ship disappeared into the storm.
Nokly immediately sent word that the Far Eastern territories were to go to high alert in case the Nohon were to do something.
The next message received indicated that the Nohon had done something.
They had withdrawn their envoys from the Hung and issued a declaration that they were utterly sick and tired of the Hung's condescension and bullshit, and they called upon all "civilized" nations to denounce the Hung until the backwards nation acknowledged that there were many nations greater than the Hung, Nohon among them. And then they put every Hung ship on the bottom of the ocean.
Every ship. From war junk to fishing boat, the Nohon navy swept the seas around the Hung clean, although they rather pointedly allowed any ship flying a Syffryn flag freedom of passage. They then followed up with a relentless campaign of bombardment of every coastal settlement they could reasonably take on, and while their marines no doubt landed on shore to pillage settlements, they were mostly content to simply drive people inland. It seemed that they had learned a horrific version of the lesson of the Civilized Tribes were teaching the UPM and the rest of the world, and were intent on using the Hung's own population against them. They had no intention of fighting on land, but stripping the food of hundreds of thousands - possibly millions of people and driving them in terror and panic from their homes into the Hun heartland - meant that the Hung would fight themselves for the Nohon. The fact that the Nohon were letting everyone else still come and go as they pleased meant that Syffryn merchants could probably render aid... but also no doubt bring down the wrath of angry Hung governors and generals who saw foreigners on their soil during a time of war.
So... so basically the Nohon had repeatedly panicked themselves into a winning set of moves. News arrived back quickly from Kyberi that skirmishing between the People and Nohon had resumed, although the Nohon seemed content to stay within their own territory for the most part and use their defensive works to keep out Hung retaliation while they burned the coast to the ground, and then pummeled the ashes into a fine powder. Given that the Hung had absolutely no capacity to retaliate against the Nohon's main holdings, that was probably the winning set of moves until the Hung either ate itself alive in the chaos of a dynastic turnover as refugees fleeing inland collapsed the ability of the provinces to maintain control, or the Hung acknowledged Nohon as being the one wearing the boots in their relationship.
As for the rest of the world...
Well, the Sketch and Halvyni ambassadors had worn a rather disturbing grin and their "concern" sounded an awful lot like they planned to trade food for tea and spices in order to pull in ludicrous profit off the exchange. The Hespranxer didn't even need to be told because they had their own colonies close enough to inform them of the developments, and had ramped up their agitation against the Khemetri even further. They might ultimately take the first swing, but they also knew that the People were going to be quite distracted in the near future. New Hespranxia and the UPM were going to be of no help against more distant Nohon holdings since the Civilized Tribes had given the UPM such a black eye that their southern neighbours had decided to take a swing at them, and the two powers were now desperately clawing at each other while central North Mahaxia burned. The Civilized Tribes had made it known that they would take in any escaped slaves and offer them their freedom, and made it a habit to make deep strikes against plantations to free slaves and touch off slave revolts. Apparently the "Civilized Tribes" had also been bringing in other local tribes from further out, and more than that there were reports of women in their ranks. Whoever was leading them understood very well that they were badly outnumbered if the full might of the UPM could be mobilized and were using all sorts of tactical, strategic, and diplomatic tricks to get the most out of their numbers.
So the Hung were on fire and would no doubt start literally eating each other as the loss of fishing devastated their food supplies, Syffryn would be of almost no help or would be an active distraction, and North Mahaxia was on fire and would be of no help.
The one bright spot was that the Kielmyr were willing to help out... for a price. In exchange for lifting certain restrictions and tariffs, and the sale of large numbers of shares in certain Crown Corporations, the Kielmyr were willing to bear the brunt of much of the manufacturing cost for the People's war effort, and even proposed to give certain guarantees against the Hespranxer at higher levels of investment. It would strangle large parts of the People's ironworking industry... but then again they would need warm bodies for the fighting, so if they activated large numbers of the recently unemployed they might be able to delay the issue for the next few years and then figure out what to do later. And it wouldn't be like they would completely gut their iron and steel industries, just the lower level stuff that was already looking on the weaker side due to lacking the funds for the major capital investments required for the best equipment.
The Styrmyr and Tortun were also oddly helpful in their own way, having a large number of soldiers they were interested in demobilizing or otherwise getting out of their territory, so if the People were interested in taking on some mercenaries who might become citizens one day, they were up for grabs.
Kielmyr Offer
[] [Kiel] 0 PW - No thanks
[] [Kiel] 0 PW - Adjust tariffs further for relevant war materials (-1 temp SoL, +1 temp IC)
[] [Kiel] 1 PW - Rework industrial relationship (Gain Low Foreign Investment [Kielmyr], +1 IC, +1 temp IC, Kielmyr Guarantee Against Hespranxer, Depressed Iron Industry Status)
Depressed Iron Industry: All RP gains for Iron and Steel techs halved while in effect
Central/Eastern Syffrynite Mercenaries Available
[] [Merc] 0 PW - No thanks
[] [Merc] 0 PW - A few could help (-1 Trust, +1 Armies)
[] [Merc] 1 PW - Everyone you can get (-2 Trust, +2 Armies, Royalists Pleased)
Pick a Theater to Focus On
[] [Theater] 1 PW - Kyberi (-4 temp IC, +3 temp Armies, Develop Transport Infrastructure, Gain Invaders Must Die Status)
[] [Theater] 2 PW - Sea (-2 temp IC, +2 temp Navies, better odds of protecting own shipping and breaking Nohon cordon)
[] [Theater] 2 PW - Prepare for all comers (-2 temp IC, +3 temp Armies, +1 temp Navies, worse performance in the East but better prepared in the West)
Econ
Industrial Cap 6 (4) (Max. 6+50%)
Railroads 0/3
Development 26/43+25%
Pollution 0
Culture
Consciousness 1 (2)
Standard of Living 5 (3)
Happiness 5 (6)/10
Research
Academies 3/3
Mil Academies 1/1
Education 4
Innovation 9
Diplomacy
Trust 10 (6)
Espionage 7 (7)
Martial
Militancy 5
Armies 8
Navies 6 (4)
Political Will 2/15
Prestige
Min. 34
Current 129
Industrial Cap 6 (4) (Max. 6+50%)
Railroads 0/3
Development 26/43+25%
Pollution 0
Culture
Consciousness 1 (2)
Standard of Living 5 (3)
Happiness 5 (6)/10
Research
Academies 3/3
Mil Academies 1/1
Education 4
Innovation 9
Diplomacy
Trust 10 (6)
Espionage 7 (7)
Martial
Militancy 5
Armies 8
Navies 6 (4)
Political Will 2/15
Prestige
Min. 34
Current 129
AN: Stats have regenned for the turn, but you have not yet gained your PW for the main turn.
Moratorium on voting until I declare otherwise.
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Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
Kielmyr Offer
[] [Kiel] 0 PW - No thanks
[] [Kiel] 0 PW - Adjust tariffs further for relevant war materials (-1 temp SoL, +1 temp IC)
[] [Kiel] 1 PW - Rework industrial relationship (Gain Low Foreign Investment [Kielmyr], +1 IC, +1 temp IC, Kielmyr Guarantee Against Hespranxer, Depressed Iron Industry Status)
Depressed Iron Industry: All RP gains for Iron and Steel techs halved while in effect
Central/Eastern Syffrynite Mercenaries Available
[] [Merc] 0 PW - No thanks
[] [Merc] 0 PW - A few could help (-1 Trust, +1 Armies)
[] [Merc] 1 PW - Everyone you can get (-2 Trust, +2 Armies, Royalists Pleased)
Pick a Theater to Focus On
[] [Theater] 1 PW - Kyberi (-4 temp IC, +3 temp Armies, Develop Transport Infrastructure, Gain Invaders Must Die Status)
[] [Theater] 2 PW - Sea (-2 temp IC, +2 temp Navies, better odds of protecting own shipping and breaking Nohon cordon)
[] [Theater] 2 PW - Prepare for all comers (-2 temp IC, +3 temp Armies, +1 temp Navies, worse performance in the East but better prepared in the West)
Political Will 2/15
[] [Kiel] 1 PW - Rework industrial relationship (Gain Low Foreign Investment [Kielmyr], +1 IC, +1 temp IC, Kielmyr Guarantee Against Hespranxer, Depressed Iron Industry Status)
[] [Merc] 0 PW - A few could help (-1 Trust, +1 Armies)
[] [Theater] 1 PW - Kyberi (-4 temp IC, +3 temp Armies, Develop Transport Infrastructure, Gain Invaders Must Die Status)
for a very very mild increase in ur copy-pasting ease
and also so I can be FIRSTTTTTT
[] [Kiel] 0 PW - No thanks
[] [Kiel] 0 PW - Adjust tariffs further for relevant war materials (-1 temp SoL, +1 temp IC)
[] [Kiel] 1 PW - Rework industrial relationship (Gain Low Foreign Investment [Kielmyr], +1 IC, +1 temp IC, Kielmyr Guarantee Against Hespranxer, Depressed Iron Industry Status)
Depressed Iron Industry: All RP gains for Iron and Steel techs halved while in effect
Central/Eastern Syffrynite Mercenaries Available
[] [Merc] 0 PW - No thanks
[] [Merc] 0 PW - A few could help (-1 Trust, +1 Armies)
[] [Merc] 1 PW - Everyone you can get (-2 Trust, +2 Armies, Royalists Pleased)
Pick a Theater to Focus On
[] [Theater] 1 PW - Kyberi (-4 temp IC, +3 temp Armies, Develop Transport Infrastructure, Gain Invaders Must Die Status)
[] [Theater] 2 PW - Sea (-2 temp IC, +2 temp Navies, better odds of protecting own shipping and breaking Nohon cordon)
[] [Theater] 2 PW - Prepare for all comers (-2 temp IC, +3 temp Armies, +1 temp Navies, worse performance in the East but better prepared in the West)
Political Will 2/15
[] [Kiel] 1 PW - Rework industrial relationship (Gain Low Foreign Investment [Kielmyr], +1 IC, +1 temp IC, Kielmyr Guarantee Against Hespranxer, Depressed Iron Industry Status)
[] [Merc] 0 PW - A few could help (-1 Trust, +1 Armies)
[] [Theater] 1 PW - Kyberi (-4 temp IC, +3 temp Armies, Develop Transport Infrastructure, Gain Invaders Must Die Status)
for a very very mild increase in ur copy-pasting ease
and also so I can be FIRSTTTTTT
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Those bastards.....only we get to blunder our way to victory. That is it, ｢Invaders Must Die｣.
- Location
- Illinois
I like this.
I really want to hurt the Nohon right now, so this looks really nice...
keenscythe
No longer NEET
- Location
- WA, USA
[] [Kiel] 1 PW - Rework industrial relationship (Gain Low Foreign Investment [Kielmyr], +1 IC, +1 temp IC, Kielmyr Guarantee Against Hespranxer, Depressed Iron Industry Status)
[] [Merc] 0 PW - A few could help (-1 Trust, +1 Armies)
[] [Theater] 1 PW - Kyberi (-4 temp IC, +3 temp Armies, Develop Transport Infrastructure, Gain Invaders Must Die Status)
Only combo I can think of right now.
Have Kielmyr protect our west and rush to our father-in-law's aid/protect our eastern clay.
@Academia Nut Is our PW supposed to just be 2 right now? Do we get a crisis bonus? Will aid for the Hung have to wait til the main turn?
[] [Merc] 0 PW - A few could help (-1 Trust, +1 Armies)
[] [Theater] 1 PW - Kyberi (-4 temp IC, +3 temp Armies, Develop Transport Infrastructure, Gain Invaders Must Die Status)
Only combo I can think of right now.
Have Kielmyr protect our west and rush to our father-in-law's aid/protect our eastern clay.
@Academia Nut Is our PW supposed to just be 2 right now? Do we get a crisis bonus? Will aid for the Hung have to wait til the main turn?