I've been waiting for y'all to figure out that an awakened Hung is not necessarily your friend.
Especially if they get expansionist. Because guess who shares the largest land border? And has land with gold mines and shit? Given all the trouble you've gone to hamstring the Tortun, one would think you'd worry about your eastern border as well.

Better encourage them to get naval and poke in the Pacific.
A desert border with a political marriage tends to change that. It also helps that they won't attack a "tribute". Plus, they would also be very grateful for our help in modernizing them. Gratitude between nations is a thing.
 
It will also help that WE are the likeliest place for them to buy guns at first. They have a LONG WAY to go before we can simply beat them by putting more and better supplied men in our line within supply constraints.

How much they outnumber us doesn't matter if they can't concentrate those numbers enough to overwhelm our lines.
 
Welp, Xon said spoilers for the update in mod chat has him searching for a "oh look, a tidal wave of salt" image he has stashed somewhere. Time to go build fallout shelters!
 
Welp, Xon said spoilers for the update in mod chat has him searching for a "oh look, a tidal wave of salt" image he has stashed somewhere. Time to go build fallout shelters!
I'm sure it will be fiiiiiine.

We're all calm, reasonable adults here, right?
Our little community in particular is even renowned for it's calm and civil debates! :V
 
Wait. Education cranks up demand for SoL, right? And we spiked Education, but our SoL is still in the gutter, and we just got out of a revolt. Does this smell like a revolution to anyone else, or am I off-base here?

EDIT: Because I was thinking about what would make people super salty, and I figured hey, what if the plan we voted for to help out the working class just woke them up to how terrible the situation was, and oh whoops sojuz nerushumyj intensifies.
 
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We are driving a 19th Century Great Power, it takes practically a divine miracle not to be puppy kicking evil.

You did notice we get hilarious incentives to be utterly inhuman assholes to our population and others?

In my defense i'm only inhuman with the people of other countries, but if they come to Ymaryn Empire i will treat humanly. :V

Holy, i'm a mix of Royalists and Conservative by now.
 
We are driving a 19th Century Great Power, it takes practically a divine miracle not to be puppy kicking evil.

You did notice we get hilarious incentives to be utterly inhuman assholes to our population and others?
Yes. I even rather pointed out just how much the rival system goes against our best interests to the thread earlier, and I fully acknowledge that's just the tip of the iceberg, if that.

...and now I have it in my head that the Hung were forced to rival someone while coming out of their stupor and we were pretty much the only available group of people they could.

That would make no real sense to me, but that's possible enough and horrible enough to be my worst case scenario. Either way, I have been looking to finish up something this week and if the amount of salt flowing is going to be real and not some sort of trolling, then this is a good a reason as any to step away from the thread for a week...
 
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Actually, it's quite possible we don't have any problems with the awoken Hung. In fact they want to be our friends! (Read: They really, really want us to help them get all the stuff now that they've realised just how fucked they are)

Only problem is... Well... Remember how all the other Not!European Powers have that massive trade deficit with the Hung? And how Nohon is our rival? Well, as it turns out, they've all been screwed by Hung awakening. So they've all grouped up and decided to beat both us and Hung's faces in, in order to fix the problem. The Black Sheep and the Khemetri might have been made to be busy with other things so they can't help...

Of course, this is just one possibility, and I'm not sure just how likely it is.
 
Yes. I even rather pointed out just how much the rival system goes against our best interests to the thread earlier, and I fully acknowledge that's just the tip of the iceberg, if that.

...and now I have it in my head that the Hung were forced to rival someone while coming out of their stupor and we were pretty much the only available group of people they could.

That would make no real sense to me, but that's possible enough and horrible enough to be my worst case scenario. Either way, I have been looking to finish up something this week and if the amount of salt flowing is going to be real and not some sort of trolling, then this is a good a reason as any to step away from the thread for a week...

Nohon makes so much more sense to be rivaled. They need to claw their own economy back from Nohon.
 
Actually, it's quite possible we don't have any problems with the awoken Hung. In fact they want to be our friends! (Read: They really, really want us to help them get all the stuff now that they've realised just how fucked they are)

Only problem is... Well... Remember how all the other Not!European Powers have that massive trade deficit with the Hung? And how Nohon is our rival? Well, as it turns out, they've all been screwed by Hung awakening. So they've all grouped up and decided to beat both us and Hung's faces in, in order to fix the problem. The Black Sheep and the Khemetri might have been made to be busy with other things so they can't help...

Of course, this is just one possibility, and I'm not sure just how likely it is.
I mean, us and Hung vs the World sounds pretty cool to me instead of being salt inducing, so I'm not sure that's it.

Whatever you're thinking, it's probably at least 40% worse :V
 
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