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Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization

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I think this overcomplicated conspiracy will go down in History as the single messiest Intrigue to ever be put in motion.
*take his popcorn*this will be interesting.
 
Umi-san said:
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I doubt it, considering Hespranxer will be crushing its own rebellions.
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Because we told them about it.

And right after those rebellions start, people will make the connection between that and the Nohon attacking.

I doubt the leaders will think it, but the average person sure might.
Arlos said:
I think this overcomplicated conspiracy will go down in History as the single messiest Intrigue to ever be put in motion.
*take his popcorn*this will be interesting.
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Yeah, as I've said before, everyone involved here tried to get too fancy, especially the Ochruhr. If they had gone for the simple objectives they had at the start, we couldn't have caught on, and they would have gotten what they wanted for the most part.

Instead, all of them are about to crash and burn, with Nohon managing to hand us a diplomatic victory that we could never have gotten alone.
 
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Arlos said:
Uh, really? So we have no fleet in the Not!Mediterranean and Not!Black sea?
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You have fleets patrolling the !Black Sea for security purposes, but since you control the whole coasts you don't need extensive fleets to contest other powers. The !Med fleet is mostly for protecting trade over the short hauls to the various ports with the Khem, Saffron Isles, and Etal Peninsula. The fleet that needs to be actually transoceanic is out of Newport and thus is the one where the heaviest assets are based.

Arlos said:
I think this overcomplicated conspiracy will go down in History as the single messiest Intrigue to ever be put in motion.
*take his popcorn*this will be interesting.
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Basically the Ochruhr got greedy and kept building up a plan they were already working on, and then stumbled into a Vortuga-Hespranxer-Nohon plot and decided to integrate it in. Again, classic mission creep and overcomplication due to early success.
 
Academia Nut said:
Basically the Ochruhr got greedy and kept building up a plan they were already working on, and then stumbled into a Vortuga-Hespranxer-Nohon plot and decided to integrate it in. Again, classic mission creep and overcomplication due to early success.
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So they probably originally planned for one or two other revolutions in addition to their own against their neighbors. Said neighbors would struggle, while the Ochruhr would easily put down their own, and then rush in to stomp the Republicans, to riotous applause from the rest of the world.

Then they thought 'Hey, there's these other groups connected to the Republicans we came in contact with, why not spread the joy to those other bastards?'

And then they stumbled over the Vortuga/Hes/Nohon plan, and thought 'Wow, we couldn't hit the Dual Crown with the Republicans, so let's try to sweep the board!'

And then the Wymryn Republicans noticed, and then...
 
Transportation Mega(Kilo?)Project Thoughts:
Kiemar-Khemetri Rail: Once we get rails, shouldn't be too hard. A connection between the !Baltic and the !Indian, completely controlled by us, would be useful, and a good prototype for:
Trans-Kyberian Rail: The ultimate goal. Allows us to properly project power into the East, connect with a port we make out there when we get it, and helps keep Kyberia connected. Useful if done in concert with Sheep. Still probably a ways off.
Not!Suez: Harder than OTL due to more land to traverse, but with Khem's help, it should be possible, at least soon. Would be an enormous coup for influence. It would probably not be an exaggeration that OTL Britain's hold over India was only possible due to the Suez, and while we may not have as much need as that, it is still going to be a supremely important trade route.
 
Academia Nut said:
Basically the Ochruhr got greedy and kept building up a plan they were already working on, and then stumbled into a Vortuga-Hespranxer-Nohon plot and decided to integrate it in. Again, classic mission creep and overcomplication due to early success.
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...just how long have they been at this exactly ? I feel they should have acted long ago.
 
Arlos said:
...just how long have they been at this exactly ? I feel they should have acted long ago.
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That's the thing. They should have acted ages ago, once they got their own republicans and their neighbors ready. But it was probably too easy, and they got greedy and tried to leap to GP status in one move, while screwing over all their enemies as well.

They wanted to make this move count, and they kept putting more and more effort into this one move, until it got too big, and eventually someone who hated them more than the people they were trying to screw learned about it.

Tbf to them, they likely assumed the Wyrmyn would never help us, considering what we did. They didn't take into account nationalism and that nifty monument, and the fact that the Dual Crown has been fairly good to them compared to literally everyone else.
 
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Citino said:
That's the thing. They should have acted ages ago, once they got their own republicans and their neighbors ready. But it was probably too easy, and they got greedy and tried to leap to GP status in one move, while screwing over all their enemies as well.
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...the Ochruhr, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, I don't even.....


Quotation From elected Parliamentary Arlys during the upper-house assembly that saw the reveal of the Ochruhr treachery by the Patriarch.
 
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It was a non-distinct meeting room in a non-distinct office, yet it was also one of office of the Dual-Monarchy intelligence service, or at least that is what they said where to go if you have important information to report.

"I am telling you! It must be the sketch gentleman!" the pawnshop owner insisted. The suit-wearing officer distinctly didn't look impressed. Although the agent kept an entirely professional demeanor, the businessman still felt the eye-rolling.

"So, you believed that a strange man sold you tokens and objects that happened to resemble what you saw in those movies," the intelligent officier said. "And you believe that this gentleman is somehow responsible for the movie?" The agent made the cursory effort of skimming over a few photos of the merchandises purchased by the shopkeeper, merchandises that had been since long sold. The shopkeeper regretted that he failed to realize the significance.

"Yes! It happened months ago."

"I failed to see the relevance to the Dual-Monarchy Intelligence Service," the officer stated in the most neutral tone.

"What?!"

"Even if this Sketch gentleman is somehow our international man of mystery, and that the photo of merchandise are exactly produced by him and his business, I failed to see how that is relevant to the security interest of this country."

"But!"

"You did not present to me any evidence that this man is connected to any terrorist groups, foreign intelligence services, or otherwise is of national security interest. Contrary to popular belief, the intelligence service's job is not to investigate mysteries, despite what the Y files may have you believe."

"What?!"

"Thank you for coming to the Dual-Monarchy Intelligence Service with information and your time, but at this time, we deemed this person irrelevant to our mission. If his status change and if we need more information, we may need to get into contact with you."

Fat rotten luck! Can't they see how important this man is to the world? He didn't even get to explain his theory that the Sketch gentleman is an alien from outer space.

Maybe....he could leak it to the public details since the government refuse to do anything about it. No! He must keep trying with the various bureaucracies of the Dual-Monarchy. Someone will listen. Yes, that is the correct course of actions.

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"Why are you asking me? I am just an astrophysicist," the Khemetri scientist said. The studio audience broke into laughter. It was another night on television for the popular science communicator and scientist, but this particular topic has consumed the public for months now. "Nevertheless, I can give you my inexpert opinion as an informed layman, since I followed the story with strong interest. In fact, I have been talking to experts all over the globe. But be aware that I am not an anthropologist. "

"Go right ahead," the host said.

"We have been making tremendous progress with the release of more diverse materials at an accelerated rate, especially with the release of children's books. Those books are worth their weight in gold. That much what my sources at Redshore University told me. Tangently related, there's recently a release of an astrophysics textbook, so I am looking forward to collaborating and contributing to the project on that aspect instead of being a bystander to this project."

"And what is your personal opinion on who produced it?"

"That's a good question."

"Aliens? Super AI? People?"

"My guess? People. Not a specific production cabal with access to untold amount of money, but the people of Earth themselves! The amount of materials is so lucid and diverse in details that you need an entire civilization to produce it."

"Really? You think Earth is real?"

"While completely unproven, it is an explanation that make the most sense to me. I am not sure if I can justify it as a more likely explanation. I am not dismissive of the possiblity that an AI produced all of this. In that case, it is probably the most powerful software ever written, but I am not so sure we can make such giant leap in progress all at once, given what computer scientists had told me. But aliens? What incentive do they have to manufacture an entire global culture from scratch, one that is very similiar to us? What for? If they want to communicate to us, they are better off showing off their culture, their language, and so forth. Unless, the aliens are the people of Earth."

"Earth. That sounds like a fine name. What does it mean?"

"Ddaear."

"Really?"

"Ground in Khemetri," the scientist confirmed. "It is the most universial meaning for the planet we lived on in both worlds."

"So Ddaear means Earth to them? How does that work?"

"Exactly. From their perspective, they don't live on any other planet in the universe. Neither do we."

"Wow," the host said. "That's all we have for today. Thank you for joining us this evening."

"My pleasure. I am your personal astrophysicst, Ny-"

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"WHY ISN'T THIS AN INTELLIGENCE PRIORITY?!!!" the Patriarch shouted.

"But sir-"

"NO BUT! INVESTIGATE IT!"
 
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Citino said:
Nohon is pretty much guaranteed to go to war with us. They got the go signal, and there's no way to outrace the message now. By the time they can receive word on what happened, it will be too late, they will have declared war.

At which point, our words are going to ring pretty true, because everything would have happened just as we said, and the Sketch, Hes, and Halyvni are going to take a shot at the Nohon just on principle. Which means they lose any territory they grabbed from us, some of their colonies, and maybe a port or more to us.

Nohon are going to have a very embarrassing time over the next few years.

WoAN is the other naval powers will take a shot at them if the war dec on us during this, partly as thanks for the warning, partly for the principle of the matter.
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Source for this? I'm on my phone today and haven't been able to follow the thread or discord well.

E: Never mind, found it. Most interesting on the list of potential helpers are the not!dutch, who have ports in Indonesia we can base from, and ships which probably aren't terrible.
 
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Academia Nut said:
Also, for the nasty surprise, the Vortuga and Nohon are coordinating to get you to split your forces between Kyberi and Khemetri. Looking over things, your Spymaster is pretty sure that this is a classic example of mission creep and trying to tie too many pre-existing conspiracies together. In any case, the revolts appear timed to start with Hespranxer troops leaving their barracks to sneak over to threaten the Khemetri, using Vortugan aid for hopping across the Saffron Sea. While they acknowledge that the Khemetri are no pushovers and you will likely have their back, they figure that the logistical supply lines will favour them enough that they can pull off a short victorious war to bolster flagging national pride by "beating up" the premier land power either directly or by proxy. The Vortuga are acting as go betweens to coordinate with the Nohon to also start shit on the other side of the world, distracting you overall. No matter your choice, you will have knowledge of all of this and can brace accordingly. The Ochruhr appear to have caught wind of this and added their own contributions (AKA the Hespranxer will suddenly have a mass uprising while their troops are away, with "sympathetic" uprisings happening simultaneously in their true targets).

The Wyrmyn coordinator figured out that a bunch of the information could have only come through official diplomatic channels and realized that at the very least the Ochruhr king had to know that all of this was happening, and then he pieced together that several of the revolts had absolutely no hope if the Ochruhr knew about them ahead of time and were thus being set up to be crushed.
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So the Monarchies are going to be mad that the Axis Of Intrigue(Nohon, Ochruhr, Vortuga) are formenting rebellions in their lands. The Hespranxer are going to be extra mad at the Vortuga once the news spreads and mixes a bit, because it looks like the Vortuga are coordinating with their army for the express purpose of trapping and destroying them.
The Republicans are going to be so mad, they're probably going to spontaneously spawn Khorne and start screaming incoherently.

Nationalism is going to activate on a wide scale as well, many of the Republicans are nationalists, and they'd be insanely pissed at being used to harm their nation, potentially even pissed enough to work together with their crown in the name of Fuck Those Guys.

You know, even if it all went as planned I'm pretty sure Vortuga and Ochruhr would burn by the time the shockwaves settled out.
Academia Nut said:
Given that the movements are entirely within Hespranxer and Vortuga territory and they are using the Strait of Gibraltar equivalent to do it, no, your ships would be cut apart by shore batteries, let alone the naval forces there.

Warning the Khemetri would happen regardless of the warning sent to others, but you have no ability to contest their crossing from Hespranxer to Hespranxer territory through Vortuga territory.



There is a good possibility that if you tell people about it the Hespranxer will immediately abort the whole operation in favour of internal security and getting caught with their hands in the cookie jar, although the 'Go' signal for the Nohon to start shit has probably already been sent... which could be incredibly embarrassing for them if they were expecting you to be distracted. Now, you still might be distracted, but this is exactly the sort of scenario where if it comes out some of those who might be opposed to helping you (Sketch, Hespranxer, Halvyni) might whack the Nohon to give up any potential gains out of pure principle and thanks for the warning.
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...say, that means when the Nohon declare war on us, our emissaries should have just reached Hung...

Academia Nut said:
It is far too late to stop the revolts, but you can potentially give enough warning to ensure that the situation doesn't go the way the conspirators want. The warning could potentially increase their success by meaning that the Ochruhr aren't coordinating the way the conspiracy says they will be.
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Considering the effects of warning:
-Hespranxer - Army back in position. Less effective revolution
-Styrmyr - Forewarned. Less effective revolution
-Tortun - Ochruhr no longer in position to contest the liberating revolution. Tortun Republicans has equipped title "Fuck Ochruhr"
-Ochruhr - Republican movements no longer in position to be crushed perfectly, revolution effectiveness raised to same as everyone else.

Academia Nut said:
This has obviously been brewing for a while, but the discontent from a hard winter and rising food prices combined with finding out that the Hespranxer are trying to distract their population with a short victorious war has ensured that the trigger time is now.
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Well, Europe around this time was a giant heap of dry charcoal...

...we tossed a match in. Fire is warm.

ExNihilo said:
Transportation Mega(Kilo?)Project Thoughts:
Kiemar-Khemetri Rail: Once we get rails, shouldn't be too hard. A connection between the !Baltic and the !Indian, completely controlled by us, would be useful, and a good prototype for:
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We'd need to destroy the Most Ancient Kingdom Under God. And get dynamite. It looks simple on the map, but the entire route is mountains.

Citino said:
That's the thing. They should have acted ages ago, once they got their own republicans and their neighbors ready. But it was probably too easy, and they got greedy and tried to leap to GP status in one move, while screwing over all their enemies as well.

They wanted to make this move count, and they kept putting more and more effort into this one move, until it got too big, and eventually someone who hated them more than the people they were trying to screw learned about it.

Tbf to them, they likely assumed the Wyrmyn would never help us, considering what we did. They didn't take into account nationalism and that nifty monument, and the fact that the Dual Crown has been fairly good to them compared to literally everyone else.
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Also a further fair point: The Ochruhr got ONE shot, because after they do this they'd face a Grand Coalition once everyone gets their pants back on.
 
Arlos said:
I think this overcomplicated conspiracy will go down in History as the single messiest Intrigue to ever be put in motion.
*take his popcorn*this will be interesting.
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Just imagine the countless discussions and alternatehistory scenarios and stories that would revolve around this single conspiracy.
 
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veekie said:
So the Monarchies are going to be mad that the Axis Of Intrigue(Nohon, Ochruhr, Vortuga) are formenting rebellions in their lands. The Hespranxer are going to be extra mad at the Vortuga once the news spreads and mixes a bit, because it looks like the Vortuga are coordinating with their army for the express purpose of trapping and destroying them.
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Nah, the Vortuga-Nohon-Hespranxer alliance is working separate from the Ochruhr. These are two completely different plots going on at the same time.

So the situation as far as I can tell is like this:
-Ochruhr, himiliated after the Third Coalition War, started setting up Republican rebel cells throughout nations within their striking distance. They planted key weaknesses within all of them so that Ochruhr Army would be able to defeat them all in short order, thus gaining Prestige for their state.
-A little while later, a humiliated Vortuga plotted with the Nohon and Hespranxer to get back at the Dual Monarchy. Forcing the Dual Monarchy to fight a war on two fronts (Nohon in Kyberia, Hespranxer/Vortuga in Khemetri), they planned to force Haddyth Nokly to the negotiating table and reverse the humiliation.
-At this point the Ochruhr secret intelligence noticed the Vortugan plot, and decided to capitalize on it. They extended their Republican rebel cell network to both the Hespranxer and the Dual Monarchy, hoping to catch both Great Powers off-guard. Then once the Ochruhr destroyed all the Republican rebellions, they'd shine all the brighter by comparison.
-The Wyrmyn Republican rebels noticed that their mysterious benefactors knew too much state-level secrets to be mere Republicans rebels themselves, and eventually worked out what the Ochruhr were trying to pull. The rebels hated the idea of being pawns of the Ochruhr, and leaked the secret to Haddyth Nokly.


Once this news goes live the Ochruhr are going to lose all credibility. The Hespranxer will call off their invasion to deal with the Ochruhr-planted Republicans in their nation, before moving on to get revenge on the Ochruhr. The Nohon will fight the Dual Monarchy on its own, and will likely face Sketch or Halviny navies on the sea once those governments decide to help the Dual Monarchy in thanks for blowing open the Ochrur conspiracy. Vortuga will be left with nothing.
 
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veekie said:
Meant the public image. The Vortuga are going to have a hell of a time claiming innocence
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Ah.
I think the powers-that-be will realize that Vortuga had nothing to do with the Republican rebellions going on. At most they'll just point fingers at them for trying to start a war in such a dishonest manner, making pacts with pirates and the like.
 
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