Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization
Looking at the map?
They have The Sun Never Sets active giving them a shitload of prestige from colonies.
- Location
- Mists of Albion
...We get Sun never Sets as a bonus once we claim the Nohon Kyberia Regions.
Hell yeah.
- Location
- Near Water
[X] [Exile] Khemetri (0.8x)
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- a
Not exactly, our bonus is called simultaneous sunset and sunrise.
Moreover, I don't think the bonuses are as good as sketch's sun never set.
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No, we get "Simultaneous Sunset and Sunrise", which is something different.
- Location
- America
[X] [Advisors] Yes - Gain +3 Prestige immediately, gain another iteration of the Sending Advisors effect (-1 Armies, +1 SoL, prestige transfers)
The Black Sheep and the Khemri are our greatest allies. We should be doing everything we can to support them.
[X] [Exile] UPM (0.9x)
The Black Sheep and the Khemri are our greatest allies. We should be doing everything we can to support them.
[X] [Exile] UPM (0.9x)
- Location
- Brazil
[X] [Exile] Isolated island (1.5x)
Am I the only one that wants to keep a monarchy of some sort into the modern age?
Way more effective at getting shit done than the vast majority of less centralized governments.
Am I the only one that wants to keep a monarchy of some sort into the modern age?
Way more effective at getting shit done than the vast majority of less centralized governments.
- Location
- Austria
OTOH we have the biggest blob of paint on the map; I am surprised we do not have a "1/6 of the globe" or something already active tbh.
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Gardener of Human Happiness
- Location
- Behind You
Having a centralized government does not require a monarchy, nor are all monarchies centralized.
liberty90
Evil Neoliberal Cat
- Location
- Poland
You are not as I believe that this could be interesting/entertaining, but at least some liberal reforms are probably unavoidable.
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*Looks at at Solarpunk.*
Neat!
Though the political bit doesn't fit. Still, general idea for tech base.
- Location
- Trondheim, Norway
[X] [Advisors] Yes - Gain +3 Prestige immediately, gain another iteration of the Sending Advisors effect (-1 Armies, +1 SoL, prestige transfers)
[X] [Exile] Khemetri (0.8x)
[X] [Exile] Khemetri (0.8x)
- Location
- Brazil
True, but a constitutional monarchy with a parliament, as we have, sounds like a pretty decent set up.
Resetting the clock every four years or so sounds atrocious when one aims to steer the greatest nation in the world. While one needs to be reasonably popular, fully elected positions throughout means that instead they are far more concerned with catering to populist agendas than doing things.
Full "democracy" means that the ruler's hands are very tightly tied to the will of the masses. They lose most of their agency either way, by catering or by defying.
Look at Poetyr: he has been a decently smart, decently competent ruler that most important of all, has been consistent and been able to work with a long-term view.
Nightmare scenarios like current-US, where the most the government can usually do is to fart in a general direction, or current-Brazil, where everything is on fire and people are more interested in selling themselves as firemen than in actually putting it out.
Not to mention a very real problem the current-world faces: You can't stop the proliferation of information, the interconnectivity of everything is the greatest boon we have, but it's being used, in a highly effective manner, to steer the populace the world over through fake news and doctored data. Galvanization through emotional rethoric becomes easier than ever, and that is essentially a worst-case scenario for a "democratic" regime.
That technology, with all its boons and problems, will eventually come around.
If we can have half a dozen people, trained from birth by the best tutors, that are guaranteed to be able to act in the best interest of the nation, we can bypass a multitude of hurdles.
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- Austria
Problem is, masses always define the will of rulers; or rather, if ruler does ignore them too much, things will explode so he really shouldn't.
That's the point of democracy: ensuring that people do not have to use violence to be heard. Everything else is gravvy, possibility of non-violent avenue for influence is core.
I think the real problem is that everyone keeps on using the previous government type as a scapegoat for all the ills they have had and thus this new government type is obviously superior!
I, too, want to get a working monarchy, if only so we can show the republics and democracies of the world that it can work, so they don't get so obsessed with "Freedom, Fuck Yeah!" and use that as a justification for tons of crap if nothing else.
I mean, they probably still will...
I think the important thing is to look at the dilemmas that we will be facing as a Monarchy and try to find ways to solve them as we go through with various ConCons. The current biggest sheep in the room is basic human rights and reforming the economy, but we will most likely face even more challenges down the line that republics and democracies will not face and vice versa.
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We claimed all the "worthless" land. It will take time for us to develop into the monster that we should be.
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Gardener of Human Happiness
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- Behind You
I'm pretty sure that's because his actions were controlled by us and because RNGesus has been decent. Had we voted for stupid plans, Poetyr would've become known as a bad king.
- Location
- Austria
Problem: monarchy is...
Like, have you heard tragedy of Nicholas the Second? Good familtyman, devout Christian, affable person...and an idiot who set Russia on track that led it to USSR via sheer incompetence.
Hereditary monarchy inevitably leads to such; and, while democracies can, too, elect incompetent moron (looking at news, yeeeah), the short term limit, the deep bureaucracy and bunch of institutions running around doing their things prevent the worst from occuring.
So, all in all, you will not "show the world" how cool is hereditary monarchy without checks, balances and ability to bloodlessly remove bad ruler from power, because, well, it is not cool. It is bad.
It is notable that most CMs of the world still alive basically relegate monarchs to largely ceremonial role.
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- Location
- Russia
- Pronouns
- He
But nothing stops you from having democracy and feedback while also having a monarchy.
Also, all law codes have loopholes and small injustices in them. Catherine II the Great said: "Apart from law, justice also should exist." If everybody in the country is bound by the laws of said country, nobody has the legal power to fix an injustice or inefficiency fast enough. So there should be somebody that could fix this?
Such a person should have the power to override the lower-level laws to deliver justice (like a jury trial). Of course, such power is dangerous in wrong hands. And a position of the monarch comes into play here. A monarch is the person with interests (usually) aligned with the long-term prosperity of his country. This lessens the chance his powers could be used for evil. In addition, a monarch changes less often then a new person is chosen for an elected position. Which means less people have access to the potentially harmful power. Finally, monarchy is a familial endeavour. Do you want to risk yourself and your family by abusing your power? Doubtful.
Applying that power to circumvent the usual bureaucratic slog to do what the masses may want is why I think a monarch can coexist well with democratic systems on the lower levels.