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NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)

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KittyEmpress said:
Buying slaves just to free them does nothing really, and ultimately just empowers the slave takers by giving them money. I dunno, it seems like a lose lose lose situation, ultimately.
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It totally is in many ways. On the other hand, freeing them may win us gratitude and allies, and definitely gives us an information source on the Slavs we're gonna go deal with imminently. Buying all of them is a bit soft hearted, but buying at least #3 and #4 (the two cheapest) is indisputably of significant practical value. #1, #2 and #5 it's less indisputable, but may also provide significant benefits, depending.

Like, we wouldn't have come here at all were there not practical benefits to be had.

fearsome hill said:
It is best for them yes but it is also supporting the institution of slavery.
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Refusing to buy them doesn't exactly do anything to oppose that institution, though. Freeing them by violence would, but just refusing to buy them does not oppose the institution in the least...the slaver gets the same money either way.
 
Right, thralls. Eugh. This mostly reminds me of when we effectively turned ourselves into thrall central.
 
Shard said:
Right, thralls. Eugh. This mostly reminds me of when we effectively turned ourselves into thrall central.
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I feel worse about this. Those people at least came to do the same to us...these people very much did not. Especially the women and children.

On another topic: I do wonder why the price on #5 is so high. #1 and #2 are nobles, so their prices make sense, and #4 is actually the price for a lot of three thralls, so that's 20-40 per non-noble, which is in the vicinity we'd expect from previous stuff. But #5's price is way higher than expected.
 
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[X] Thrall #1 (150oz Silver)
[X] Thrall #2 (230oz Silver)
[X] Thrall #3 (40oz Silver)
[X] Thrall #4 (60oz Silver)
[X] Thrall #5 (80oz Silver)

I'm voting for all on the basis of freeing them ASAP. These people need some kind of help and we're in the right place to do it.
 
I have no problem buying and freeing thralls if we think it will help us out, I suppose, or even just be longer term fluff. We could always use more people on the farm, and the woman and her two kids could potentially want to stay with us, which would mean companions for our kids. Especially if we are right and their fathers dead and village burned completely down.

I don't think buying them and just going 'you're free' is that interesting though. This was kind of why I didn't wanna vote to go see the thrall market.
 
KittyEmpress said:
I don't think buying them and just going 'you're free' is that interesting though. This was kind of why I didn't wanna vote to go see the thrall market.
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I don't really think that's quite the plan. We're gonna discuss what they want and what we want from them, not just say 'You're free!' and wander off. We're likely going to discuss information exchanges among other things with basically all of them, make offers to stay with us if any desire that and rides back to Slavic lands for those who do not, and so on. That seems potentially interesting to me.
 
Blademaster said:
or train woman who are extremely talented, like Halla. Halla did start training 4 years later then the boys, and still outclasses the vast majority of her age group. so definitely not impossible to start at, say 16-20 and become at least a solid warriors. though probably most people arent as talented
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I mean even with Halla we started way before 16, though later than our brothers (and we had Blackhand to help). Taking a 16 year old who has never been properly trained before is going to be taking in someone lower than our lowest tier people we've taken in. And would they even think to approach Halla for that training if they've never even had the basics taught to them?

Maybe when we start teaching our kids how to fight, we could open up an invitation for all kids their ages in the hading to come and learn with us, and try to start up something like a school-ish thing, with some of the other prominent Hading families we are allied with, and our retainers. Instead of personal lessons just from family, share the burden of teaching as a village. And in doing so we could invite in the girls as well as the boys, if we so wanted and they were inclined?
 
[X] Thrall #1 (150oz Silver)
[X] Thrall #2 (230oz Silver)
[X] Thrall #3 (40oz Silver)
[X] Thrall #4 (60oz Silver)
[X] Thrall #5 (80oz Silver)

Between helping all of them or just ignoring them i'd rather help them, seems weird to me to go to a slave market and then walk out because we don't want to support the institution of slavery but then screw over the slaves that we know we could help.
 
KittyEmpress said:
And would they even think to approach Halla for that training if they've never even had the basics taught to them?
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For the record, most Norsewomen do get the 'basics' inasmuch as they get to at least Hamr 3 and learn a couple of Combat Skills and Glima at 1 or so by the age of 16. It's a much lower bar than the boys learn, but they do learn something. One who was interested could likely pick up a bit more than that, though again not as much as the boys do.

KittyEmpress said:
Maybe when we start teaching our kids how to fight, we could open up an invitation for all kids their ages in the hading to come and learn with us, and try to start up something like a school-ish thing, with some of the other prominent Hading families we are allied with, and our retainers. Instead of personal lessons just from family, share the burden of teaching as a village. And in doing so we could invite in the girls as well as the boys, if we so wanted and they were inclined?
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We're probably at least doing this for our kids friends, girls included, yeah.

The Lone badger said:
Possibly she's an apprentice wise-woman/witch/knower-of-slavic-magic.
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That would be very interesting and explain it. I'd think they'd mention that, but maybe it was in the pitch before we got here.
 
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KittyEmpress said:
I mean even with Halla we started way before 16, though later than our brothers (and we had Blackhand to help). Taking a 16 year old who has never been properly trained before is going to be taking in someone lower than our lowest tier people we've taken in. And would they even think to approach Halla for that training if they've never even had the basics taught to them?
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Halla outclasses the average for boys her age massively. so its likely a girl with a good deal of talent, starting at 16, would be able to equal an average warrior within a few years? note that while women usually get no fighting training they still improve their Hamr and Hugr so they will have more of those then when Halla started, and Certainly more Hamingja. they will never be as good as if they would have started early, but they can absolutely be pretty good if they are talented.

of course, the problem is, as you say, few will approach us without being already trained, which is the actual problem. age, thats an obstacle we can overcome. we are not the jedi order here
 
[X] Thrall #3 (40oz Silver)

We came here to get someone who knew things about Slavic culture and cultivation not to play savior. Slavery is wrong but this isn't real life. I might edit in some of the others but there's not much of a practical reason to buy all of them.
 
Btw how is it even decided which slaves get bought? is there like a minimum number of votes one needs or does an option need only one vote for that slave to be bought?
 
Blademaster said:
of course, the problem is, as you say, few will approach us without being already trained, which is the actual problem. age, thats an obstacle we can overcome. we are not the jedi order here
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Yeah. Assuming the girl has Hamingja 7 (around average-ish), receives Halla's teachings, and we use our Training Items, we can get a girl from Hamr 3, Glima 1, a single combat Trick and Combat Pool 11 to Hamr 6, Glima 4, Fang 4, Combat Pool 60 (from every combat skill at 2 and one at 4), and about a dozen Combat Tricks in about a year.

fearsome hill said:
Btw how is it even decided which slaves get bought? is there like a minimum number of votes one needs or does an option need only one vote for that slave to be bought?
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My guess is it'll be compared to the total number of voters...any that more than half the total number of voters vote to buy get bought.
 
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Blademaster said:
Halla outclasses the average for boys her age massively. so its likely a girl with a good deal of talent, starting at 16, would be able to equal an average warrior within a few years? note that while women usually get no fighting training they still improve their Hamr and Hugr so they will have more of those then when Halla started, and Certainly more Hamingja. they will never be as good as if they would have started early, but they can absolutely be pretty good if they are talented.

of course, the problem is, as you say, few will approach us without being already trained, which is the actual problem. age, thats an obstacle we can overcome. we are not the jedi order here
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Nobody knows why Halla's School For Heroes gives a book about farming as a graduation gift, but most take it with good grace.
 
[X] Thrall #1 (150oz Silver)
[X] Thrall #2 (230oz Silver)
[X] Thrall #3 (40oz Silver)
[X] Thrall #4 (60oz Silver)
[X] Thrall #5 (80oz Silver)

Be the change you want to be.

Because I would definitely pay silver to ease our obligated task here. And having a friend and contact among slavic nobility could be something that pays off well down the line and opens some doors.

But even without that, having a guide and a friendly port down that way will make our job much easier. The other, less expensive ones... Well, we can work something out too. "I was in a position to do something, so I could and I did. If you can repay the favor, I'll certainly not say no, if you need honest work and have nothing behind, I can offer that too, as well as my protection in the meantime. I can't undo the past, but that doesn't mean I can just ignore you either."
 
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[X] Thrall #1 (150oz Silver)
[X] Thrall #2 (230oz Silver)
[X] Thrall #3 (40oz Silver)
[X] Thrall #4 (60oz Silver)
[X] Thrall #5 (80oz Silver)
 
Hunter531 said:
Still, it'd be the work of seconds to mention that. My guess is that the price is raised because a subset of the bidders are sadists looking for a plaything.
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Eh. She's not even described as particularly pretty...someone on Discord suggested the seller might be artificially upping the price to keep her for himself for some specific reason, and either that or the witch thing seem more likely than this. The crowd can't be that big and one or two sadists seem unlikely to drive the price up by a factor of at least two, IMO.
 
[X] Thrall #1 (150oz Silver)
[X] Thrall #2 (230oz Silver)
[X] Thrall #3 (40oz Silver)
[X] Thrall #4 (60oz Silver)
[X] Thrall #5 (80oz Silver)
 
Hunter531 said:
Still, it'd be the work of seconds to mention that. My guess is that the price is raised because a subset of the bidders are sadists looking for a plaything.
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It's more that thralls are just generally expensive than anything else.
KittyEmpress said:
Even the worst of the worst newbies we have recruited thus far probably trained since their youth and are still bad.
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The vast majority of Norsemen don't train their fighting skills. They fight half-instinct, half-not. Any rank ups are typically gained as a result of having been in fights.
 
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Children are almost certainly a value minus not a value add. You have to feed them for years before they're really useful to you.
 
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