IMCRAZY64
Conscientious Murder Hobo
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Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)
- Thread starter Silently Watches
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Ah, Tattletale. Always antagonizing the people she needs help from.
[X] Believe her – Everything she has said sounds above-board. You can't completely rule out that there were lies mixed in, and it wouldn't hurt to have Perfect Storm do some digging of its own for verification, but you'll give her the benefit of the doubt.
That said, I see no reason why the Privateers shouldn't make use of Coil's assistance, at least for the moment. Sure, he'll betray them sooner or later, but in the meantime they're getting laser rifles and intel and such. And the ABB and E88 are currently causing more damage to the city then Coil is.
So for now, I say Taylor should verify what Tattletale's said, whilst mopping up the Merchants. Take Coil's money, figure out his power, maybe take down Lung and Oni Lee if possible, then backstab him before he can backstab the Privateers. Preferably in such a manner that lets us collect a portion of his assets.
[X] Believe her – Everything she has said sounds above-board. You can't completely rule out that there were lies mixed in, and it wouldn't hurt to have Perfect Storm do some digging of its own for verification, but you'll give her the benefit of the doubt.
That said, I see no reason why the Privateers shouldn't make use of Coil's assistance, at least for the moment. Sure, he'll betray them sooner or later, but in the meantime they're getting laser rifles and intel and such. And the ABB and E88 are currently causing more damage to the city then Coil is.
So for now, I say Taylor should verify what Tattletale's said, whilst mopping up the Merchants. Take Coil's money, figure out his power, maybe take down Lung and Oni Lee if possible, then backstab him before he can backstab the Privateers. Preferably in such a manner that lets us collect a portion of his assets.
Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
[X] Believe her – Everything she has said sounds above-board. You can't completely rule out that there were lies mixed in, and it wouldn't hurt to have Perfect Storm do some digging of its own for verification, but you'll give her the benefit of the doubt.
Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
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- Ohio
I was going propose this:
[]Believe neither - Tell Lisa that if she's going to act like a nosy blackmailing bitch to the person she's asking to save her life, she can at least bring evidence that she's telling the truth. Do some digging of our own into Coil, but she can come back when she has something concrete and a better attitude.
But I see there's a bandwagon starting, Silently Watches hasn't said anything on a write-in, and I won't let a good thing go to waste.
[X] Believe her – Everything she has said sounds above-board. You can't completely rule out that there were lies mixed in, and it wouldn't hurt to have Perfect Storm do some digging of its own for verification, but you'll give her the benefit of the doubt.
[]Believe neither - Tell Lisa that if she's going to act like a nosy blackmailing bitch to the person she's asking to save her life, she can at least bring evidence that she's telling the truth. Do some digging of our own into Coil, but she can come back when she has something concrete and a better attitude.
But I see there's a bandwagon starting, Silently Watches hasn't said anything on a write-in, and I won't let a good thing go to waste.
[X] Believe her – Everything she has said sounds above-board. You can't completely rule out that there were lies mixed in, and it wouldn't hurt to have Perfect Storm do some digging of its own for verification, but you'll give her the benefit of the doubt.
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Several things one has to remember about Lisa:
1) She's a criminal. She's pretty damn comfortable being one. Even before she met Coil, she was one, and with her power? Being a criminal is a choice one makes
2) Not once in the actual series she ever expressed desire to go to PRT / join the wards / become a hero
3) She was actively working to usurp Coil's position as early as bank heist in canon, diverting funds, paying his mercenaries and such
Coil is not stupid. If something happens to Lisa, we'll know it was him, and he'll know that we'll know.
Lisa wants Coil's money.
IMCRAZY64
Conscientious Murder Hobo
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- The Dystopian Future
My problem with the Privateers getting that hardware is that they are angry ex blue collar workers not trained in non lethal takedowns. If we let them have something deadly that's what they'll be.
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- He/Him
[X] Believe her – Everything she has said sounds above-board. You can't completely rule out that there were lies mixed in, and it wouldn't hurt to have Perfect Storm do some digging of its own for verification, but you'll give her the benefit of the doubt.
Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
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- Ohio
And that ties into what I said... not even remotely. I know your 'thing' is being a manipulative guy, but this is just lazy persuasion. If you're not going to put the effort into convincing me why your right, much less linking your responses to an opponent's statements, why even do it at all?
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[X] Believe her – Everything she has said sounds above-board. You can't completely rule out that there were lies mixed in, and it wouldn't hurt to have Perfect Storm do some digging of its own for verification, but you'll give her the benefit of the doubt.
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[X] Believe her – Everything she has said sounds above-board. You can't completely rule out that there were lies mixed in, and it wouldn't hurt to have Perfect Storm do some digging of its own for verification, but you'll give her the benefit of the doubt.
OverReactionGuy
Verified Sanity
My opinion? Fuck them both. This Taylor would never be friends with Lisa and Lisa honestly should have got blasted with non lethal fire the moment she started digging for our secret identity which will be brought to Coil's attention if it isn't already, as a contingency for her because Lisa has no love for us.
Coil well, fuck Coil.
Honestly don't care much about the Privateers either. With how they been lately, slowly and slowly getting worse.
Taylor needs to break ties with them when shit hits the fan, because the fan will be hit with shit in the future and the Privateers will become nothing more than villains that Taylor needs to take down.
-sighs-
Taylor's currently in a rock and a hard place here.
Coil well, fuck Coil.
Honestly don't care much about the Privateers either. With how they been lately, slowly and slowly getting worse.
Taylor needs to break ties with them when shit hits the fan, because the fan will be hit with shit in the future and the Privateers will become nothing more than villains that Taylor needs to take down.
-sighs-
Taylor's currently in a rock and a hard place here.
[X] Believe her – Everything she has said sounds above-board. You can't completely rule out that there were lies mixed in, and it wouldn't hurt to have Perfect Storm do some digging of its own for verification, but you'll give her the benefit of the doubt.
Silently Watches
Professional Stalker
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- Right behind you
To be fair, she was an annoying little shit to everyone but her teammates in canon, and even they had to put up with some of it. Pretty sure that's the reason Faultline disliked her so much, and there was that time Miss Militia shoved a gun in her mouth to make her stop talking for five minutes. And the confrontation with Glory Girl in the bank where if it weren't for holding Panacea at gunpoint, she would have been broken in half.
Again, the bank robbery and hinting at what she learned about Panacea and Marquis. There's a reason her name is Tattletale: she seems absolutely incapable of keeping whatever she learns to herself, no matter how bad a long-term effect it might have.
Sarah Livsey: got super-intuition, lost her brain-to-mouth filter. I don't think she came out ahead in the power lottery.
You can make that a write-in, but… that's probably going to have some interesting repercussions down the line. Not you-angered-the-GM-so-now-I'm-going-to-fuck-you-over "interesting", but legitimately weird, and you may still not like it. And it will outright kill the Coil quest in the short term.
There's a modification like that over on SB, so yes, you can do that. It'll get added to the "Believe her" vote in the end.
And damn, Always Late, let me at least read the comments!
I'm not camping on this board all day; I'm peeking in to answer questions in one big batch.
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OverReactionGuy
Verified Sanity
Fuck it, I'll go with this since I hate Coil more currently, but if Lisa continues her shit I hope we get to vote to take her in.
I don't want Taylor to be manipulated by her at all. There is a reason why you shut the thinker up first thing in engagements.
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I laid my reasoning out. Ok, I'll spell it out clearly:
1) We give PRT the info. Two possible outcomes:
a) It doesn't get out - PRT are actually competent. They verify the intel they got with their thinkers, and start a molehunt. This harms Coil, but we likely ally with him in a way, as he doesn't do anything to Lisa. We definitely ruin a lot of his plans. We cash some brownie points with PRT.
b) It gets to Coil - he's not stupid. He knows that if Lisa disappears or is killed soon after PRT got the message, we'll blame him. Yet, he'll know that Lisa is working against him on a more active basis than he assumed before. Lisa will know it too. This gives Lisa a little window of opportunity to try and save her life. Also to f*ck with us as a revenge. Lisa is definitely capable of both. She'll have to salt the ground, as it was, but I don't doubt she can do it.
But ok, I'm not convincing you of this. Or other people. So...
[X] Hunt Lisa down. She definitely knows way too much about you and your father - this kind of intelligence can't be allowed to remain in the hands of a villain; blackmail is too obvious an outcome, especially if she really does work for Coil.
-[X] Fake her death, if possible (level the building she's in, for example)
-[X] Don't trust Coil for now
IMCRAZY64
Conscientious Murder Hobo
- Location
- The Dystopian Future
This is what Lisa was talking about.
? I'm pretty sure she wasn't talking about Privateers and us personally trying to hunt her down.
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Dammit. I'd be fine with believing her, I just can't stand her. If there was a way of dealing with her attitude at the same time, maybe...
Akasha
The Only Truth
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To be fair, she was an annoying little shit to everyone but her teammates in canon, and even they had to put up with some of it. Pretty sure that's the reason Faultline disliked her so much, and there was that time Miss Militia shoved a gun in her mouth to make her stop talking for five minutes. And the confrontation with Glory Girl in the bank where if it weren't for holding Panacea at gunpoint, she would have been broken in half.
Again, the bank robbery and hinting at what she learned about Panacea and Marquis. There's a reason her name is Tattletale: she seems absolutely incapable of keeping whatever she learns to herself, no matter how bad a long-term effect it might have.
Sarah Livsey: got super-intuition, lost her brain-to-mouth filter. I don't think she came out ahead in the power lottery.
You can make that a write-in, but… that's probably going to have some interesting repercussions down the line. Not you-angered-the-GM-so-now-I'm-going-to-fuck-you-over "interesting", but legitimately weird, and you may still not like it. And it will outright kill the Coil quest in the short term.
There's a modification like that over on SB, so yes, you can do that. It'll get added to the "Believe her" vote in the end.
And damn, Always Late, let me at least read the comments!
The problem is not that Tattletale behaves the way she does, because we know why that's the case.
The problem is that Taylor actually seems to see nothing wrong with that, when anyone with two brain cells to rub together would fly away the moment the smug, arrogant, manipulative villain of a Thinker they just met started to openly deduce their family relations and secret identity just by TALKING with them. Especially after mentioning that she has been forcibly recruited in her own secret identity, and there is absolutely no guarantee she wouldn't try to do the same at some point, or start selling that info left and right.
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Well, to be fair, Taylor is still a newbie in the unwritten rules, however annoying they may be. I believe she was equally ignorant at this point in canon.
Not an excuse, merely an explanation.
OverReactionGuy
Verified Sanity
Yeah, that is part of the problem I did have with the update, but meh.
Honestly, Taylor has no history with Lisa and shouldn't have taken her shit at all, the top option believe her doesn't really seem right if you take that into account.
Which is why I wished there was a third option that could honestly work, the fuck both of them option. Where we shoot Lisa was non lethal fire, drop her off to the PRT and tell them she was digging for our secret identity and tell them she has information about Coil and when she gets killed we will know she was right so we could prepare to search for Coil and level his entire fucking base with non lethal fire beams.
... Honestly I can see why that is a somewhat of bad option since it would make Taylor feel responsible for Lisa's death, but it may be the best outcome and might give the PRT the chance to actually be competent and weed out the moles before Lisa dies. But there are many ways that could go down that might not end up with Lisa dead.
And no, I am not calling for Lisa's death. I just want Taylor to actually react to Lisa's bullshit she spouted trying to get her to help her. Instead of going like this.
Lisa: You're a crazy psychopath murderer in the making, please help me!
Taylor: I believe you!
Honestly, Taylor has no history with Lisa and shouldn't have taken her shit at all, the top option believe her doesn't really seem right if you take that into account.
Which is why I wished there was a third option that could honestly work, the fuck both of them option. Where we shoot Lisa was non lethal fire, drop her off to the PRT and tell them she was digging for our secret identity and tell them she has information about Coil and when she gets killed we will know she was right so we could prepare to search for Coil and level his entire fucking base with non lethal fire beams.
... Honestly I can see why that is a somewhat of bad option since it would make Taylor feel responsible for Lisa's death, but it may be the best outcome and might give the PRT the chance to actually be competent and weed out the moles before Lisa dies. But there are many ways that could go down that might not end up with Lisa dead.
And no, I am not calling for Lisa's death. I just want Taylor to actually react to Lisa's bullshit she spouted trying to get her to help her. Instead of going like this.
Lisa: You're a crazy psychopath murderer in the making, please help me!
Taylor: I believe you!
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Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
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- Ohio
If you'd started with all this:
You'd have gotten alot more people to believe you. It's still got more logic holes in it than swiss cheese, but it's much more coherent that your first two posts. With some adjustments and tweaks to cover those up, I would have agreed.
Yog, you're quibbling. Your plan of hunting Lisa down and faking her death* is literally tying into her point of Taylor taking things too far and killing people, not to mention it contradicts Taylor's point about cape fights ruining people's lives/destroying homes.
*To say nothing of you having no plan if/when we're successful in capturing her.
On the one hand, I understand that. On the other, the common behavior of most people voting, then not coming back for the discussion, means that once a bad idea gets bandwagoned, it's almost impossible to stop. Hence why getting back to the voters with clarifications in short order is kind of important. Make sense?And damn, Always Late, let me at least read the comments!
Well, you could look up what this 'third' vote SB's come up with and vote that. Not to mention that Silently Watches will probably have Lisa get called out in the next update if they want players to stick around. There's 'I believe you, but you're also a nosy bitch', you know?
Silently Watches
Professional Stalker
- Location
- Right behind you
There are subvotes already developing that would, if the Coil quest was taken to its "conclusion", end with Taylor saying something along the lines of "There, I've helped. Now get the hell out of my city. You don't want me to see or hear you ever again". Honestly, that might be what happens even if those votes aren't in the majority.
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Taylor was being catty right back the entire chapter. She was just holding her tongue to find out if Coil is really as bad as Tattletale claims he is.
As for Tattletale being a threat of recruiting you at gunpoint like Coil 'supposedly' did her? "I'm psychic" doesn't do much to protect her against "I make it rain plasma". Not to mention, it goes against the very "game" she was calling the cape world and criticizing Taylor for not playing along with.
FTFY. And like I told kokuenDG, if you want Taylor to say "He's your problem. Fuck off", you can do that.
VorpalMedia
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I said all of that from the start.
We essentially just were in a cape fight, where Lisa destroyed all of our privacy and endangered our life. We are fully justified in putting her down.